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Never heard "Other Backward Classes" before, I thought that was funny enough.

Also funny that every indian has to have someone to look down on.
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uziq
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britain's class system is alive and well, too, and it's probably true to say that 'every brit has to have someone to look down on'. hence 'well-to-do' working class looking down on 'benefit scroungers', and so on. it's not a formalized caste system, but to deny the massive role that social class has in every aspect of british life is asinine.

india is a developing country afflicted with huge social problems and facing massive developmental challenges. but making out that their caste system is a unique and aberrant evil is pretty funny. aren't you in support of colonialism, apartheid regimes in SA/rhodesia, etc? but i guess only brown people are susceptible to class and hierarchies.
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That poor dog. This is why you shouldn't call the police on people.
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Video makes a point of later about the cops not accurately identifying the breed. I'm not sure how that matters.

It was a bully mutt. From wiki, here's a staffy:


Here's a pit bull:


Surely there are enough things to mention without slipping in your dog nerd stuff. *pushes up glasses* "Ackchyually it's two parts pitty one part staffy three parts bulldog with a smidgeon of lab. How could you not recognize that? *snort snort*"

Really deserves a spot alongside stuff like police response.
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It is very American to discuss our pets ancestry in percentages.
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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

india is a developing country afflicted with huge social problems and facing massive developmental challenges. but making out that their caste system is a unique and aberrant evil is pretty funny. aren't you in support of colonialism, apartheid regimes in SA/rhodesia, etc? but i guess only brown people are susceptible to class and hierarchies.
Why are they always the first people to scream racism then?

Fuck me
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Video makes a point of later about the cops not accurately identifying the breed. I'm not sure how that matters.

It was a bully mutt. From wiki, here's a staffy:


Here's a pit bull:


Surely there are enough things to mention without slipping in your dog nerd stuff. *pushes up glasses* "Ackchyually it's two parts pitty one part staffy three parts bulldog with a smidgeon of lab. How could you not recognize that? *snort snort*"

Really deserves a spot alongside stuff like police response.
They look exactly the same and are about as dangerous, you're better off letting your kid play with a live hand grenade.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

india is a developing country afflicted with huge social problems and facing massive developmental challenges. but making out that their caste system is a unique and aberrant evil is pretty funny. aren't you in support of colonialism, apartheid regimes in SA/rhodesia, etc? but i guess only brown people are susceptible to class and hierarchies.
Why are they always the first people to scream racism then?

Fuck me
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 … t-daughter
no one calls you a racist if you criticize the caste system? plenty of indians criticize the caste system.

people call you a racist because you evidently view indians as second-class humans and 'inferior' to your own race/culture.

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Well Indians view Indians as second-class humans, so why is it only white people who get criticised for it?
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you really can't tell the difference between an indian's perception of caste/class within their own society, and a white observer being racist?

as per the gini index, india is substantially more equal than societies like the united states and united kingdom.

we don't have formalized caste systems, but class is a perennial and pernicious evil in british society. people born on the bottom are likely to stay on the bottom -- a long way from the congenital 'winners' who take it all.

as i said above, india is a developing country and has a long, long way to go. but making out that they're 'racist' towards themselves and have 'second-class citizens', when you're from a country that literally demonizes its underclass on a daily basis, is just funny. being susceptible to hierarchies, discrimination and snobbery is not an exclusively indian thing; it's not related to brown skin.

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Exactly, classism and racism are completely instinctive and normal in all races, thank you.
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how is the caste system evidence of 'racism', let alone instinctual racism?

societies tend to order themselves into hierarchies, particularly older societies. wowsers!

there are many examples of egalitarian societies and ones which do not have such hierarchical orders. there are many examples of societies with a culture and sociology quite different from caste/class-afflicted ones. there is nothing 'instinctive' about it.

you really do go in for the 'evolutionary psychology' mumbo-jumbo. the status quo which pertains in a certain number of cases effortlessly becomes 'instinct', as old as hominids. very very dumb stuff.
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uziq wrote:

societies tend to order themselves into hierarchies, particularly older societies.
Exactly, thank you again.
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thanks for confirming that you're not a democrat and like to justify your racism and bitterness as the 'natural order of things'.
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But racism is natural, and not just for white people, you've proven that twice.
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"Officer who shot Ashli Babbitt during Capitol riot breaks silence: 'I saved countless lives'"
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This will go over well I am sure.
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Also I am taking a licensing practice exam. One of the questions on the practice test.
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re: once again, race, racism, a recent social construct. blah blah blah very tired stuff here by now.

the burden of proof does seem to be on the people who want to establish racism as a human instinct rather than a learned behavior.
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Maybe people should be taught to assimilate and adopt the culture of the country they live in, not impose their backward ways and to be one of 100 backgrounds someone else has to accommodate.
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Yeah, people should be encouraged to assimilate into their host country. But that it is not teacher's job to promote assimilation. It is not a cop's job to promote assimilation. Both groups should be given training to not make situations worse by being pig people.
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Dilbert_X
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

re: once again, race, racism, a recent social construct. blah blah blah very tired stuff here by now.

the burden of proof does seem to be on the people who want to establish racism as a human instinct rather than a learned behavior.
Tribalism is instinctive, people don't go to classes for it.
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tribalism != racism. many differences. racism, very much learned behavior as a person grows and assimilates (or maladjusts) into their surroundings and is given social meaning to other things that are of a more basic nature. scaffolding around the primate brain. anxiety-ridden animals maladapted to modern life, cultural evolution is faster than biological evolution.

blah, blah, blah.
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racism is not innate. have you ever seen children at a kindergarten? they don't separate into races or tribes.
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https://www.newsweek.com/i-am-immigrant … fe-1622889

a person who has more emotional intelligence, and who has overcome more struggles, and is consequently
a braver person, than dilbert will ever be.

guy experienced racism, re-evaluated his views on his own life and his own culture, and is rising to the challenge of overcoming the dead inertia of centuries of wrongheaded thinking.

dilbert can overcome the mating ‘instinct’, he’s presumably capable of revising his intellectual positions on, say, the sun circling around the earth or vice versa; but he won’t give up his meanspirited views about brown people! they’re innate!

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