BF2S Forums Race relations thread

Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe people are poor because they're violent?

Who would the average company want to employ, a nice compliant hispanic woman or an aggressive black?

Would the average company want to employ a nice, compliant black or an aggressive hispanic woman?

e: Haven't you said that you don't really interact with black people? Also, how many Hispanic women do you know? Why are you making these sweeping generalizations?

Dilbert_X wrote:

No, uziq and Larssen think black culture should be promoted, I recommend they try experiencing it.

i’ve never said anything about ‘promoting’ anyone’s culture. i am not invested in black culture. why would i be?

i’ve pointed out that comparing lagos with chicago is stupid for about 100 reasons. they have entirely different cultures and histories. i’ve pointed out that a group who have been on the north american continent for 350 years don’t have much to do with the modern histories or state of central african post-colonial nation states. because that’s obvious. again, are you somehow answerable for russia or hungary or ireland? because you have the same skin pigment and ‘race’?

i’ve only ever said that BLM are entitled to protest. it’s their legal right. and every group is welcome to ask for the equality and opportunity that other groups enjoy. that’s the banner of democracy. if you don’t want to live in an egalitarian society, that’s your problem. i’m not pushing ‘black culture’ or any other culture at the expense of others.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe people are poor because they're violent?

Who would the average company want to employ, a nice compliant hispanic woman or an aggressive black?

it must be easy to judge everyone when mummy and daddy have let you build a nest egg, living at home and collecting target pistols, for your entire life.

maybe people are poor because they’re disadvantaged compared to
you?

once again, as ive said endlessly before, it’s not even scandalous or controversial or even merely interesting to watch dilbert produce these little wet fart vituperations. it’s really depressing that a man of his age and maturity thinks producing verbal effluent like ‘maybe all poor people are violent?’ deserves acknowledgment. he’s like a puppy that spends its days locked indoors at home, tearing up the upholstery, and then expects a pat on the head by its adoring owners.

grow the fuck up, is honestly my best sincere advice. severely limited individual.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Larssen wrote:

You're seriously going the 'no u' route here? You're literally talking fucking eugenics. Which has been thoroughly dismantled scientifically, logically and morally since the early 20th century and in particular since the 1950s. Not only is it illiterate, it is extremely hateful and divisive. You cling to a worldview that has no basis in reality and which if implemented would reconstitute a caste system based on race, and call me deluded?

Every race on earth currently practices eugenics, except white people aren't allowed to. Doesn't that seem racist?

There is no inherent quality related to race that makes people violent. There is no genetic string in black people that makes them tribal or dumb. In referencing the 'wealth of akshual evidence', you're only talking about your personal imagination. Biology doesn't support your claims, history doesn't support your claims, sociology doesn't support them.

I say it does.

So you consider the countries on our planet with the most repressive governments or intense civil wars/conflicts an example to follow, Dilbert? It's a general rule anywhere in the world that a combination of great economic & political inequality between identity groups is a fantastic recipe for increasing social upheaval, not to mention human rights violations. Look to China, look to Rwanda, the history of Bosnia, Russia/Chechnya, even Saudi Arabia or India - do any of those countries strike you as places of great harmony? Does government sanctioned discrimination of others based on race, tribe and religion increase the internal cohesion in a country?

As to your second point, it's right there even on wikipedia for you to read:

Scientific racism, sometimes termed biological racism, is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority.[1][2][3][4] Historically, scientific racism received credence throughout the scientific community, but it is no longer considered scientific.[2][3] Dividing humankind into biologically distinct groups is sometimes called racialism or race realism by its proponents. Modern scientific consensus rejects this view as being irreconcilable with modern genetic research.[5]:360

That's not even yet touching on arguments in history and sociology. It may shock you, but for most of recorded human history the people of mesopotamia and north africa, the latter of which included many black people, were socially, politically, economically and scientifically more advanced than Europe. Where does that leave the notion of the innate superiority of white people? Why couldn't they be dominant the first 6000 years of our history, given that they're apparently inherently better?

You're so full of shit it's incredible.

Last edited by Larssen (2020-10-25 04:46:24)

uziq wrote:

iving at home and collecting target pistols

That reminds me, I really ought to get on and spend some money, my WA1500 guns are holding me back.

A Korth Supersport would be just a bit over the top, there's nothing special about Manuhrins, I should get a custom job done and a heavy barreled S+W K-frame made up.

Dilbert_X wrote:

The people of europe have moved on and left the people of Africa behind. Trying to pull them up has not worked, letting us be dragged down by them is good for no-one.

What is this even supposed to mean? Was colonialism Europe 'trying to pull up' Africa? Are you dense? These people have barely been allowed to re-establish their societies and you already shit all over them. The central point however is that there is no scientific basis for racism and your appeal to discriminate against black people is completely based on your subjective racist ideas.

Colonization of Africa is more complicated than "blacks oppressed by evil whites" or "black savages without running water".

Colonization wasn't done out of the kindness of European hearts. Europeans did build stuff in the countries but only enough to make resource extraction easier. Europeans did botch decolonization to this day. Most of sub-Sahara is one giant Sykes–Picot agreement level mess. And in our quest to fight Islamic radicalism we are providing support to states that should be allowed to balkanize.

On the other hand, with the exception of North Africa, there wasn't much functioning government or infrastructure in sub-Sahara. I know west Africa had states and some of those did build stuff but their development was still an order of magnitude behind the North African Arabs who were an order of magnitude behind the Europeans still. And European colonization of Africa was from 1884 to 1914/45/90's. Some people lived longer lives than that. At some point you can't blame Europeans for 21st problems when they packed up and left in the 50's and 60's in a lot of places.

And while it was very impressive how the Europeans managed for a brief moment in time to conqueror almost the entire world, the story of how those empires ended should be moment of shame for Europeans. I love this map of the world in 1914 which is still in living memory for a dwindling amount of people.

Basically once the Europeans ran out of places to conqueror, they blew apart their empires in two wars with each other that were the most destructive in history. Something like 100 million European deaths in the span of 30 years. White genocide is a conspiracy theory in out time but was a European pastime in again living memory.

erm, charlottesville?

Seven people were detained when military forces stormed a tanker suspected to have been hijacked off the Isle of Wight.

Sixteen members of the Special Boat Service (SBS) ended a 10-hour standoff which started when stowaways on board the Liberian-registered Nave Andromeda reportedly became violent.

The stowaways, believed to be Nigerians seeking UK asylum, were handed over to Hampshire Police on Sunday night.

The 22 crew members were found safe.

BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale said British forces descended on to the vessel by rope from four Royal Navy helicopters after nightfall.

"The seven stowaways - believed to be Nigerians seeking asylum in the UK - were detained and handed over to Hampshire Police," he said.

In December 2018, four stowaways were detained after they ran amok on a container ship in the Thames Estuary.

The men, from Nigeria and Liberia, waved metal poles and threw faeces and urine after being found hiding on the Grande Tema

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-54687379

We should give them asylum, free housing, free food, free money, facilities, resources and services to support as many families as each of them wants, so they can escape the misery of living with their fellow nigerians and share their violent spear-waving, shit-throwing culture with us all.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-10-26 01:49:39)

Larssen wrote:

These people are obviously trafficked

?
By 'trafficked' do you mean they bought a ticket to the UK?

So when or if someone arrives through trafficking and applies for asylum, what do you propose should happen?

Assess them and ship them back if they're from a safe country?

Without of course flagantry violating national & international law. That's not a realistic option I'm afraid, as the courts will block your actions. If you want to appeal the laws, that will be the start of a convoluted process that often takes 5+ years. May even be more complicated than that if you want to appeal constitutional stuff. What do you do in the meantime?

Change the national laws and withdraw from the international ones?

You can't really put them on a plane and fly them back if they don't have their passports. Just as you can't enter/fly into the UK without your citizenship documentation, neither can they fly to their countries of origin. Same goes for shipping them to a foreign harbour.

Lock them up until they remember where they put their passport?

Brexit was in very large part driven by the average person being fed up with scumbags like this gaming the system to get themselves a tax-payer funded life in the UK - with the EU cheering them on and helping them on their way.

could have guessed immediately that dilbert would latch onto this non-story. any chance for the royal navy to puff itself up and look important during a time of national decline. 2 helicopters full of armed SBS commandos having to board a ship all of about 5km from the actual headquarters of the UK’s most elite naval units (my cousin trained there).

what drama! i’m sure 10 stowaways from nigeria after 12 days at sea put up a valiant challenge for our boys.