BF2S Forums Who was the best American president...

I vote Nixon!

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CameronPoe wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

I can't believe that Reagan is leading this poll.

That man was a joke, a bad joke conpared to the likes of Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

QFE. I can't believe people are voting for a man who helped destroy latin america.

Oh the dramatics so very drastic...

Last time I looked Latin America wasn't destroyed..

It's pretty safe to assume his recent death and peoples perception that he was integral in winning the Cold War is the reasoning. But hey he didnt support socialism in S.America or your buddies Che' and Castro who have proven themselves great for the people of Cuba, so thats reason enough to hate him.

How kind of him to intervene in the affairs of people he had no right to interfere with. Wasn't Iran-Contra his era too? Have you been to Latin America recently? Nice job rampant exploitative capitalism has made of society there. Don't get me wrong - I believe in capitalism - just not the soulless brand of society-destroying capitalism he wanted for the Latinos.

Why oh why do US adminstrations fuck around with nations they have no right to fuck around with? I'll never understand. The Brits, French and Russkies are guilty too I must add.

From Wikipedia:

"The Contras initially received financial and military support from the Argentine government and the US through the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The Contras would later receive aid through clandestine initiatives by figures in the administration of President Ronald Reagan. The Contras were widely believed to be responsible for multiple political assassinations, kidnappings, and the widespread use of torture. They were opposed by most Nicaraguans as well as foreign human rights organizations who viewed their tactics, which included the targeting of civilians, as brutal and indiscriminate."

"In 1984, Nicaragua filed a suit in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) against the United States (Nicaragua vs. United States), which resulted in a 1986 judgment against the US, calling on it to "cease and to refrain" from the "unlawful use of force" against Nicaragua, through such actions as the placement of underwater mines by CIA operatives and training, funding and support for the guerrilla forces. The court, whose jurisdiction the Reagan administration did not accept, ruled that the US was "in breach of its obligation under customary international law not to use force against another state" and was ordered to pay reparations."

"Freedom of Information Act inquiries by the National Security Archive and other investigators unearthed a number of documents showing that White House officials, including Oliver North, knew about and supported using money raised via drug trafficking to fund the Contras."

Great president Reagan was. Yeah right. Senile git.

PS The majority of Cubans in Cuba are doing just fine and support la revolución. The whingers in Miami are just upset cos they can't open 10,000 Starbucks and McDonalds from La Habana to Santiago de Cuba. From what I've read in the guidebook life there is different in a good way, a way we find difficult to understand. Sharing is the order of the day, material wealth is unimportant and necessity has proven to be the mother of invention. The arts and culture are appreciated properly. Life expectancy is comparable to that of the US. The country has the second best healthcare system in the entire world (second to Canada). I'll report back with a first-hand account when I return from Cuba in the first week of October. I will then be able to say for sure what the situation is there. Most Americans are unlikely to be able to look on Cuba objectively at all.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-27 17:17:10)

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Thats a funny take on the Sandinista. I suppose having an openly anti-west socialist govt move in on our doorstep is none of our business.. maybe we should just go ahead and live in spider-holes? I really don't care about your isolationist bullshit America has certain agendas to preserve position and none of them are perfect or villainous. And the Sandinista got voted out of power so their own interests were seen after as well as ours.

I really don't understand why America shit their little panties every time some OTHER country express different opinions about things. They should grow some fucking testicles. How big is Nicaragua? It's fucking tiny compared to the US. Sheesh.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

We all know what a shining example of economic success and paradise it was before America showed up. As if America invented capitalism or had to promote it for it to exist elsewhere.

The poor Latin Americans got shafted solidly by the Spanish for several centuries. The Americans kindly took up the baton and ran with it. Read some Latin American history (some unsanitised history at that).

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

Yes thousands of Cubans risk their lives to come to America, many of whom die in trying, because they cant open a star bucks .. brilliant position. I think their different life isn't so hard to understand.. namely poverty  and oppression.. pretty simple. But hey I'm sure all the Cubans in America that are celebrating Castro's imminent death are just rubbing their hands together at the potential McDonald's venture. We all know how successful communism and socialism have worked for people so far ..your idealism sticks out like a sore thumb when believe Cubans tolerate poverty for some sort of collective community.

Like I said. I never expected many Americans to view Cuba with objectivity. Your government sees to that. If you think the end of Castro is the beginning of the coroprate shafting of Cuba then you're wrong. People aren't going to give up free dental and health care without a fight. They're also not going to have outsiders tell them what to do as evidenced by the history of Cuba over the past 150 years.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I really don't understand why America shit their little panties every time some OTHER country express different opinions about things. They should grow some fucking testicles. How big is Nicaragua? It's fucking tiny compared to the US. Sheesh.

Maybe youre retarded enough to believe we are scared of Niceragua but if you put a coherant thought together you could comprehend that a America had a vested itnerest not having a socialist South America during the cold war.

CAmeronPoe wrote:

Like I said. I never expected many Americans to view Cuba with objectivity. Your government sees to that.

Probably becuse you believe your internet nerd bullshit about propaganda and brainwashing. My thoughts are independant and uninfluenced. Oh and go ahead and pretend Castro retained power in Cuba from some stalwart defense of the Cuban people and not from the philanthrophy of the Soviet Union.

You really are living in a Krushchev era time warp aren't you. The cold war ended a few years ago buddy - you've switched tack to arabs now. Concentrate on the job at hand. The fact that it was the Cold war doesn't excuse the actions taken. If something is wrong, it's wrong. End of story.

You don't have to 'believe' propaganda takes place. You simply observe it and make your own judgement, it's usually obvious. You don'thave to be told by someone that propaganda is being used. Are you telling me FOX News isn't a propaganda adjunct to the Republican Party neo-cons? IF the answer you give is yes then I'm afraid you have been brainwashed.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-27 17:27:27)

CameronPoe wrote:

You really are living in a Krushchev era time warp aren't you. The cold war ended a few years ago buddy - you've switched tack to arabs now. Concentrate on the job at hand. The fact that it was the Cold war doesn't excuse the actions taken. If something is wrong, it's wrong. End of story.

You don't have to 'believe' propaganda takes place. You simply observe it and make your own judgement, it's usually obvious. You don'thave to be told by someone that propaganda is being used. Are you telling me FOX News isn't a propaganda adjunct to the Republican Party neo-cons? IF the answer you give is yes then I'm afraid you have been brainwashed.

Yes a communist South America during the cold war is nothing to be fearful about. lol Listen to yourself man.

Of course propaganda takes place, but it's definitely coming from more then one direction. I think you should think more independantly in terms of objective global politics. It's obvious by your signature you subscribe to propaganda just like the cat you're trying to pin it on, yours is just yelling in the opposite direction. But you're right, we do what we do because we're evil. Not because we're fearful the world will be caught with its pants down and have its balled ripped off if we don't step in every now and then.

I would have to say Lincoln {also manufactured my Navigator }. 
He held the country together and gave his life in doing so.  We would never be what we are today if it wasn't for him {the good things about us - not what others have f/u}.

Washington -- #2 Father of our country and all that...
Roosevelt ---- #3 Had to deal with the second most BS as a president.  Lincoln had to deal w/ it on our soil.
Reagan ------ #4 A lot of good things for people {prisoners in Iran, Berlin wall, helped end cold war, etc.}.

The rest are notable:
Kennedy ---- ?? In all reality he brought on the missile crisis.  Charm., charisma, Camelot, cameltoe, etc.
Clinton ------ ?? Really didn't do much and in all fairness not really a lot going on.  But, what he didn't do he did it with style and charisma. 
Jefferson ---- ??  Tried to father our country
--- I see a pattern here ---

George W. Bush  -  Can't be judged yet and only the future will tell!  For everyones sake I hope he's right.

Kaboom.

ﻍﻏﺱﺖﻇﻸﮚ wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

What is the story with my sig? I just did an image search for 'Giger' and I'm getting all this grief!?!?

oh noes this must be some horrible mistake
that wasnt the all seeing eye i seen as your other sig then too right
you must just like the us treasury's art too

Looks like someone has some issues with reading too much into peoples sigs. Your forum name is in arabic - I guess you must be a jihad-supporting democrat party card holder.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-28 00:54:15)

You forgot Eisenhower.  He managed to stay hands-off of domestic affairs, was personally responsible for our great highway system, and was effective at what he did.  Plus you can't forget what he did in WW2

I ain't no yank so i don't give a shite.

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

starman7 wrote:

You forgot Eisenhower.  He managed to stay hands-off of domestic affairs, was personally responsible for our great highway system, and was effective at what he did.  Plus you can't forget what he did in WW2

QFE

William Clinton? From Arkansas? Really Why would you vote him as being the BEST American President? Seriously, WTH did he do that was so outstanding for the American people and our way of life? (Besides having a young intern go down on him, and lie to the whole world about it?)

Not the best by far, however he did put the country into a surplus.  Something the current administration seems to forget about.

Not being American, I have "only" the benefit of the history books to tell me what presidents did which things for the people.

And I must say I find myself somewhat surprised not to find Rosevelt getting more support. I mean without Roosevelt, everyone would have been speaking German today (most likely). After all, he engineered the US entrance into WW2 against public opinion and the congress. Forget about the shit that he did, then he did save the world... How many other presidents can say that ?

Well, maybe one of the ones on the list.... Reagan... Yeah, he may have been unpopular with the critics, and the commies. But that was because he was EXTREMELY smart, and knew EXACTLY how and where to hurt the Soviets (go read "reagan in his own hand" and you'll know what I mean). IMO he was the person who was strong enough to cause the end of the cold war. And he was smart enough to show Gorbatchov that the US didn't want to be an enemy of the Soviets, so he could go reform the CCCP (USSR to the illiterates), which he (Gorbatchov) did. 6 BILLION people are now living in relative safety from nuclear winter and M-A-D because of Reagan. While this isn't exactly "saving the world", it comes pretty close in my book.

And because Reagan was a man of his own mind... Not bowing to public opinion or the whimsical musings of state or congress when they were being unreasonable. I call him a real statesman, not just a politician because of this trait. he was willing to go it alone if it was needed... For that I give him my vote.

starman7 wrote:

You forget, Clinton was helped by the economic policies of his predecessors.

No I didn't forget, however the country was still in a deficit when he entered office and the surplus grew his entire stay in the Whitehouse.  Two years afte BushII enters we are in a deficit again and it continues to grow.