Dersmikner
Member
+147|6741|Texas
I'll listen to NPR in the morning on my way to the office and I'll hear "a suicide bomber blew himself up in a crowded marketplace in Bagdad today, killing 27 and injuring 19 more. One American soldier suffered minor injuries. The bomber was identified as a Sunni man, and the market was in a predominantly Shiite neighborhood."

Then I'll think "good".

I've really gotten to that point. As long as Americans aren't getting hurt, if they want to wipe each other out I'm good with that. The truth is, the poor bastards who got greased were likely sitting around talking about the American-pig-dogs and how Israel and America should be destroyed anyway.

What the fuck are those yahoos thinking? "If we kill each other, maybe that'll make things better. Let's blow up a hospital. Yeah, fuck the wounded. Then let's blow up a power plant so everyone can live without electricity. Better yet, since we have no industry, no exports other than oil, and no way to market anything of any significance (other than maybe olives) to the world, let's blow the pipelines so we can'tmake any money to make anything better."

"That'll teach the world!"

Do they think that killing each other will make us withdraw? Does anyone else fail to give a shit when the Senator from [somewhere in the Northeast] gets on the radio and says "it's going to be a Civil War", as if that's a bad thing? If one or the other just plain went away, it would be all good times as far as I'm concerned.

The truth of the matter is that we should have an United States of Iraq, with three states, Kurd in the North, Sunni in the middle, and Shiite in the South and they should all be basically self-governed within a framework, somewhat simliar to the idea we had here before the socialist federal bastards took away state rights. But, barring that, if they want to have a death match to decide which denomination gets to force their interpretation of their scripture on the masses over there, go to it.

Anyway, my note to the suicide bombers of the world is "as long as you're blowing up other people who hate America, instead of Americans, go ahead and push the button. Good times."

Last edited by Dersmikner (2006-08-16 08:07:26)

Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California
Well, yeah, basically. It is very sick, but I am in the same boat.

I just want the Sunnis and Shiites to go at it, and be done with it already. We'll pull our forces back for a week, and let them just go at it.

The 3 state Iraq is good in theory, but it won't work.

I say put Saddam back in power, at least he knew how to control his people.
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6937|San Francisco
I also agree that Saddam and Only Saddam knew how to control Iraq.  With two extremist religious groups and three full tribal factions, it took a dictatorship to keep all sides neutral, even to the point of atrocities occurring.

The Democracy we are trying to push on them is backfiring in the sense that the dissenters to the government can cause severe violence to get their points across, giving them constant leverage against whatever the parliament can dish out.  As I've said before, it's like a full-blown version of Tom Clancy's "Politika" scenario.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

Erkut.hv wrote:

Well, yeah, basically. It is very sick, but I am in the same boat.

I just want the Sunnis and Shiites to go at it, and be done with it already. We'll pull our forces back for a week, and let them just go at it.

The 3 state Iraq is good in theory, but it won't work.

I say put Saddam back in power, at least he knew how to control his people.
LOL. Could you imagine in the Baghdad court? "Saddam Hussein you have been found not guilty." "Right, I'm back off to my dayjob. Woohoo!"

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-16 08:30:05)

LoonykStephane
Member
+34|6779|Kingston,Ontario,Canada
that what they want...
Mike_J
Member
+68|6912
In liberationg a people, we try to stop unnecessary death and oppression.  By allowing a civil war to break out and allowing more violence, is practically as bad as allowing Saddam to ruthlessly rule the Iraqi people again, considering the potential.  So no, I don't think we should just let them have at it.  As hard as it is to not think "why not just let them fight it out," especially when some are unappreciative of what we're trying to do for them, we have to do our best to prevent it.  Sometimes I can't help but think these people are just going to have to learn democracy the hard way, much like the US did with our own civil war.  Have to remind ourselves to follow through and at least try to do the right thing.  This brewing civil war is largely contained to Baghdad too.  So I don't think it's imminent either.
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|6927|West Yorkshire, U.K
Why cant the world just live in peace? sometimes i wonder...
Wreckognize
Member
+294|6728

Kurazoo wrote:

Why cant the world just live in peace? sometimes i wonder...
Works well in theory, but welcome to the real world.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California

Kurazoo wrote:

Why cant the world just live in peace? sometimes i wonder...
Get rid of all the humans, there will be peace on earth.
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|6927|West Yorkshire, U.K

Erkut.hv wrote:

Kurazoo wrote:

Why cant the world just live in peace? sometimes i wonder...
Get rid of all the humans, there will be peace on earth.
Get rid of governments lol
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California

Kurazoo wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Kurazoo wrote:

Why cant the world just live in peace? sometimes i wonder...
Get rid of all the humans, there will be peace on earth.
Get rid of governments lol
There was war long before governments, but I get where you are trying to go.
Kaosdad
Whisky Tango Foxtrot?
+201|6922|Broadlands, VA

CameronPoe wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Well, yeah, basically. It is very sick, but I am in the same boat.

I just want the Sunnis and Shiites to go at it, and be done with it already. We'll pull our forces back for a week, and let them just go at it.

The 3 state Iraq is good in theory, but it won't work.

I say put Saddam back in power, at least he knew how to control his people.
LOL. Could you imagine in the Baghdad court? "Saddam Hussein you have been found not guilty." "Right, I'm back off to my dayjob. Woohoo!"
HA!  Can he do that in a Homer Simpson voice?

Yeah, I have to agree with the original post.  I listen for "But no (Americans, Brits, etc) were hurt..." then it's just, "Well, there you go.  And your point was?"

"If you do not get out of my country - I am going to stand over here and blow my self up!  That will teach you!"
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6840|Seattle

Erkut.hv wrote:

Kurazoo wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:


Get rid of all the humans, there will be peace on earth.
Get rid of governments lol
There was war long before governments, but I get where you are trying to go.
Get rid of religion and you will have peace.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6952|Wilmington, DE, US
The Iraqis will eventually vote to end democracy.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California

King_County_Downy wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Kurazoo wrote:


Get rid of governments lol
There was war long before governments, but I get where you are trying to go.
Get rid of religion and you will have peace.
People are still people, religion or not.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6785|Texas - Bigger than France
It seems just like yesterday we saw the Sadaam statue fall, and a good shoeing.

What happened to the good ol' times?
Dersmikner
Member
+147|6741|Texas
"The Iraqis will eventually vote to end democracy."

Absolutely.

As soon as they can all vote to do whatever they want, and we're gone, they'll have a nice, fair, legitimate vote and they'll vote go back to some form of theocracy. I bet it's the cleanest election in world history, and I bet it goes about 80% for theocracy, and 20% against.

I guess that's the beauty of democracy.

Of course, the bad thing is that after a few years of an oppressive theocracy they won't get to take a vote to decide if they want to go back...
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6813|Portland, OR, USA

Kurazoo wrote:

Why cant the world just live in peace? sometimes i wonder...
think about it on a small scale, like a small town.  Crimes, family rivalries, .. etc.. Now blow that up on a massive scale ( the earth ) and throw in religion, guns, bombs, tanks, territory, religion and george w bush.. and you have your answer
macca2001
Member
+1|6880

Kurazoo wrote:

Why cant the world just live in peace? sometimes i wonder...
As long as anyone has the freedom of choice...you will always have someone who will disagree with your choice.  Thats the root of all wars.  Governments will disagree, religions will disagree, even kids in the playground will disagree with each other....and eventually it will come to fighting to determine who is right, but then...that rarely happens.  People wont learn the lession that the fighting taught us, so eventually it all starts again.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6772|Global Command
This whole escapade seems mostly to have handed control of Iraq to Iran.
WTF were we thinking?
Democracy over there? They don't want it.
I still believe in the ideal, but have abandoned hope on the outcome.
Let them kill each other.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6898|United States of America
The people they kill are civilians that tend to side with what the US is doing over there.  The fact is that the Iraqi government needs to pass laws that create a temporary Marshal Law in Iraq to allow the Military and population to bring some good old fashioned Sadam Justice to bear against the insurgency.  Some corpses hanging from the street posts in some neighborhoods to frighten insurgents and embolden the civilians to do something about insurgents would be a welcome sight.  Iraq needed a Revolution against the Bath(sp) party but never got it or the cleansing that comes along with it. 

The US needs to get out of the cities and protect the oil fields, powerplants, water treatment plants, and other vital infrastucture while Iraqis protect their own civilians and hunt down the bad guys.  Not to be racist, but they all look alike.

The last few years in Iraq is why I perfer the good old carpet bombing method of war.  Think of the billions we would have saved, and the US soldiers.
Mike_J
Member
+68|6912

Major_Spittle wrote:

The last few years in Iraq is why I perfer the good old carpet bombing method of war.  Think of the billions we would have saved, and the US soldiers.
Kind of eliminates the point of liberating a people and winning their hearts and minds.    That suggestion would cause tons of civilian casualties and has the potential for us to end up paying a higher bill in rebuilding Iraq.
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6901|BC, Canada

Dersmikner wrote:

I'll listen to NPR in the morning on my way to the office and I'll hear "a suicide bomber blew himself up in a crowded marketplace in Bagdad today, killing 27 and injuring 19 more. One American soldier suffered minor injuries. The bomber was identified as a Sunni man, and the market was in a predominantly Shiite neighborhood."

Then I'll think "good".

I've really gotten to that point. As long as Americans aren't getting hurt, if they want to wipe each other out I'm good with that. The truth is, the poor bastards who got greased were likely sitting around talking about the American-pig-dogs and how Israel and America should be destroyed anyway.

What the fuck are those yahoos thinking? "If we kill each other, maybe that'll make things better. Let's blow up a hospital. Yeah, fuck the wounded. Then let's blow up a power plant so everyone can live without electricity. Better yet, since we have no industry, no exports other than oil, and no way to market anything of any significance (other than maybe olives) to the world, let's blow the pipelines so we can'tmake any money to make anything better."

"That'll teach the world!"

Do they think that killing each other will make us withdraw? Does anyone else fail to give a shit when the Senator from [somewhere in the Northeast] gets on the radio and says "it's going to be a Civil War", as if that's a bad thing? If one or the other just plain went away, it would be all good times as far as I'm concerned.

The truth of the matter is that we should have an United States of Iraq, with three states, Kurd in the North, Sunni in the middle, and Shiite in the South and they should all be basically self-governed within a framework, somewhat simliar to the idea we had here before the socialist federal bastards took away state rights. But, barring that, if they want to have a death match to decide which denomination gets to force their interpretation of their scripture on the masses over there, go to it.

Anyway, my note to the suicide bombers of the world is "as long as you're blowing up other people who hate America, instead of Americans, go ahead and push the button. Good times."
the funny thing is, isn't the reason you guys claim to still need to be there, so that you can bring peace to them, yet you dont care if they kill themselves, sounds like you dont even buy the lie anymore.
the_hitman_kills
Agent 47 wannabe
+32|6708|Inside my APC
I think if Saddam was removed during the first gulf war, there wouldn't be so much chaos.

Many middle east countries supported the war, they didn't want Saddam in Kuwait either.

People in Iraq saw the 1st war as an opportunity to overthrow Saddam and his regime, thinking the coalition troops would help take him out.

But the coalition pulled out and left all of the people that stood up to Saddam to be hunted down and slaughtered by him.
Snowman111
Member
+2|6832
Well I must say that, no I personally would not have taken any pleasure in the deaths of those civilians, but I must say that I can't place any blame... but it does bring up the question... why do some of us americans hate sooo much. Is it the media, is it a general lack of knowledge of the muslim world, or are we just placing blame on an easy target, a target which ultimatley serves as a sponge for our fear and insecurity? Just think about it before responding.

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