Dersmikner
Member
+147|6741|Texas
Jusster, I'm all for protesting, as a matter of fact I'm okay with the Nazis marching in Skokie, though it nauseates me.

What I'm NOT for is any group, be it as big as the 1,000 in Dearborn or as small as Jane Fonda, openly supporting a country or force that's at war with The United States.

HM1, could oyu please elaborate on each of those points? Though many here may disagree, I'm actually quite open-minded. I have always felt that the Palestinians got the shaft from the U.N (League of Nations, whatever it was then) but I know precious little more than the usual "we gave the land to the displaced Jews, created Israel, and since then the Arabs have had it in for the Jews."

I'd appreciate an UNBIASED, detailed explanation of the events, in Reader's Digest form.

Thanks.
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|6925|Canada
lol all you have to do is google the following

israel occupation
west bank 1967
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7010

Sgt.Zubie wrote:

People love a good conspiracy theory.
If the government was open and transparent about the whole thing there would be no conspiracy theories!!!!!
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6843|132 and Bush

https://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/conspiracy_tot2.gif


http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net … 911_morons

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-08-16 00:53:36)

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6804
Kmarion:  That comic is foolish as

1)  Many of those listed are in the business of keeping secrets.

2)  It assumes the others have all the facts.
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7035

Dersmikner wrote:

Muslims and Muslim-sympathizers (those who think the U.S. and the Jews are out of line),

Give us your solution to OUR problem at hand. Tell us what you would do to stop terrorism. Tell us what we should do the next time a plane flies into a building. Tell us what we should do about the schools that train Muslim children to to straps bombs to their 14 year old abdomens and walk into grocery stores.

So we don't have to declare war on all of Islam, tell us what will fix things.

Give it to us one step at a time and THEN, tell us what we should do if we do all that, and we keep getting attacked by suicide bombers, terrorists, et al.
Declare peace on Islam.  Cut out all military spending on new weapons.  Stop sending weapons abroad.  Bring all the US troops home from the Middle and Far East.

Rebrand the units who have been called home as "humanitarian assistance teams" or HATs for short.  I know Americans like TLAs as much as anyone, so it's bound to go down well.

From all the money that has been saved on the military, give a quarter of it to the US health service - build new Meidcare hospitals and medical centres.  God knows I know how much medicine costs.  With the remaining billions of dollars, buy food, blankets, and distribute them to the Islamic countries that the terrorists reside in.  Build new homes, mosques, etc. for the people. DON'T PUT BUGS IN THEM!!!!

Basically, build bridges, not weapons.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

Bubbalo wrote:

Kmarion:  That comic is foolish as

1)  Many of those listed are in the business of keeping secrets.

2)  It assumes the others have all the facts.
The comic is a satire. It even clearly says it's from Maddox's site. That's why I love these forums...you people are so naive.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6804
And?  Regardless of the original intent, it is being used to attempt to prove it isn't a cover up.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

aardfrith wrote:

Declare peace on Islam.  Cut out all military spending on new weapons.  Stop sending weapons abroad.  Bring all the US troops home from the Middle and Far East.

Rebrand the units who have been called home as "humanitarian assistance teams" or HATs for short.  I know Americans like TLAs as much as anyone, so it's bound to go down well.

From all the money that has been saved on the military, give a quarter of it to the US health service - build new Meidcare hospitals and medical centres.  God knows I know how much medicine costs.  With the remaining billions of dollars, buy food, blankets, and distribute them to the Islamic countries that the terrorists reside in.  Build new homes, mosques, etc. for the people. DON'T PUT BUGS IN THEM!!!!

Basically, build bridges, not weapons.
Except they don't want peace. Radical Muslims refuse to live a moderate and civil lifestyle. I could honestly see them suicide bombing the construction sites if we were to attempt something like that.
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Except they don't want peace. Radical Muslims refuse to live a moderate and civil lifestyle. I could honestly see them suicide bombing the construction sites if we were to attempt something like that.
That's pretty imaginative.  Can you imagine this?  How about this?

Edit:  Just meant to point out that radical-anythings "refuse to live a moderate and civil lifestyle".  Further than that, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there's a tendency among many contributors to this forum to pin everything on the Muslims.  It's tiresome.

Last edited by spastic bullet (2006-08-16 06:42:57)

Jusster
Pimpin aint Easy
+11|6720|H-Town

Dersmikner wrote:

Jusster, I'm all for protesting, as a matter of fact I'm okay with the Nazis marching in Skokie, though it nauseates me.

What I'm NOT for is any group, be it as big as the 1,000 in Dearborn or as small as Jane Fonda, openly supporting a country or force that's at war with The United States.

HM1, could oyu please elaborate on each of those points? Though many here may disagree, I'm actually quite open-minded. I have always felt that the Palestinians got the shaft from the U.N (League of Nations, whatever it was then) but I know precious little more than the usual "we gave the land to the displaced Jews, created Israel, and since then the Arabs have had it in for the Jews."

I'd appreciate an UNBIASED, detailed explanation of the events, in Reader's Digest form.

Thanks.
Your comments just become more and more off the wall.............

Tell me WHO are the protesters supporting that the U.S. is openly at war with?  Stop trying to spread your blanket statements across topics and provide some facts.  This is something you fail to do time after time

Dersmikner wrote:

I'd appreciate an UNBIASED, detailed explanation of the events............
LMAO.............your kidding right? ditto back atcha


Jusster

Last edited by Jusster (2006-08-16 06:10:30)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6804
Yes, it was.  Hence my point that it fails to accurately provide basis for believing the theory to be wrong.
Mike_J
Member
+68|6912

Bubbalo wrote:

Yes, it was.  Hence my point that it fails to accurately provide basis for believing the theory to be wrong.
Yep, sorry I didn't see that key word at the end of the post I quoted.  "isn't" a cover up.

Last edited by Mike_J (2006-08-16 06:13:00)

M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois

Spumantiii wrote:

In the quest for economic domination the west IS the enemy, having fuelled this bs ever since day 1.
FYI, Day 1 was when Nazi Germany had made a pan-alliance with the mideast for oil and destruction of jews.

From the SF Gate: "Shortly after World War II broke out in 1939, the Mufti of Jerusalem crafted a strategic alliance with Hitler to exchange Iraqi oil for active Arab and Islamic participation in the murder of Jews in the Mideast and Eastern Europe. This was predicated on support for a pan-Arab state and Arab control over Palestine."

From wikipedia: "During World War II, Britain and the USSR invaded Iran from August 25 to September 17, 1941, to stop an Axis-supported coup and secure Iran's oil resources supply."
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6804
Uh, no, day 1 goes back long before then.  Or did Europe just magically start using oil at the start of WWII?
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois
Was this thread about Europe?
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California

aardfrith wrote:

Dersmikner wrote:

Muslims and Muslim-sympathizers (those who think the U.S. and the Jews are out of line),

Give us your solution to OUR problem at hand. Tell us what you would do to stop terrorism. Tell us what we should do the next time a plane flies into a building. Tell us what we should do about the schools that train Muslim children to to straps bombs to their 14 year old abdomens and walk into grocery stores.

So we don't have to declare war on all of Islam, tell us what will fix things.

Give it to us one step at a time and THEN, tell us what we should do if we do all that, and we keep getting attacked by suicide bombers, terrorists, et al.
Declare peace on Islam.  Cut out all military spending on new weapons.  Stop sending weapons abroad.  Bring all the US troops home from the Middle and Far East.

Rebrand the units who have been called home as "humanitarian assistance teams" or HATs for short.  I know Americans like TLAs as much as anyone, so it's bound to go down well.

From all the money that has been saved on the military, give a quarter of it to the US health service - build new Meidcare hospitals and medical centres.  God knows I know how much medicine costs.  With the remaining billions of dollars, buy food, blankets, and distribute them to the Islamic countries that the terrorists reside in.  Build new homes, mosques, etc. for the people. DON'T PUT BUGS IN THEM!!!!

Basically, build bridges, not weapons.
That's a great way to get yourself killed. Appease those who want to kill you, that always works.

Let's follow the same script, let radical Islam have Poland, and see if they stop there.
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver
Surely you mean "let the US have Iraq, and see if they stop there."  A much closer reading of the script, no?
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6978|California

spastic bullet wrote:

Surely you mean "let the US have Iraq, and see if they stop there."  A much closer reading of the script, no?
No, it isn't, but it was a good try! Thanks for playing.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6798

Erkut.hv wrote:

spastic bullet wrote:

Surely you mean "let the US have Iraq, and see if they stop there."  A much closer reading of the script, no?
No, it isn't, but it was a good try! Thanks for playing.
Or even give Israel southern Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Sinai peninsula and the Golan Heights and see if they stop there!
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6974|Peoria, Illinois
Or how about everyone keep what they have now and stop fighting over bs.
Dersmikner
Member
+147|6741|Texas
Jusster, no I was serious. I'd be interested in an historical account of the formation of Israel, and the events that followed. Either you can't provide or the facts don't jibe with what yo uwant to say. That's okay. I was simply hoping someone could educate me beyond what I know. Obviously that person isn't you.

As far as the people in Dearborn, there are several stories about them, and you can start here: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti … 6607190396

Here's some fun love from the Dearborn folks:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/7046025/detail.html

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I'm not saying that the Palestinians didn't get the shaft, they probably did. What I am saying is that we can't simply dismantle the country of Israel at this point. So we should just give the Palestinians their own country and call this deal over.

The truth is that for all the "Palestinians are getting the shart" talk, they were, at one time, invaders themselves, and took that land from the Jews. It's not like they were indigenous. The "al-Aqsa Mosque" is on the site of the Temple Mount, which was around a millenium before Mohommad was even born. The "poor poor Palestinians" aren't some lilly-pure martyrs in a grand scheme of world domination led by the Jews.

Still, I think they should have some land and borders to call their own.

My plan is this:

1. Give Palestinians their own contiguous, independent autonomous country and stay the hell out of it.

2. Only station U.S. forces in countries which have duly legally elected governments that have asked us to be there.

3. Promise the people of the Muslim world that (1) we won't F with them first, but that (2) they're all going to Allah on the next cloud if we get attacked again. I'm tired of seeing civilians getting targeted, and the next time it happens and 12 of the 14 are from Whereveristan, we need to end life as we know it in Whereveristan, and then I bet it doesn't happen again...

======

"With the remaining billions of dollars, buy food, blankets, and distribute them to the Islamic countries that the terrorists reside in" - this is some kind of joke right? Up to that point you sounded semi-reasonable.

Let's get in a time machine and send Penicillin and Pastries to Hitler while we're at it.

Last edited by Dersmikner (2006-08-16 07:43:15)

Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6889

spastic bullet wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Except they don't want peace. Radical Muslims refuse to live a moderate and civil lifestyle. I could honestly see them suicide bombing the construction sites if we were to attempt something like that.
That's pretty imaginative.  Can you imagine this?  How about this?

Edit:  Just meant to point out that radical-anythings "refuse to live a moderate and civil lifestyle".  Further than that, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say there's a tendency among many contributors to this forum to pin everything on the Muslims.  It's tiresome.
Well, we're talking about the U.S. declaring peace on Islam, so radical Muslims are what applies here. We already know that most "radical-anythings" are the same way, but it is irrelevent in this debate. And, I don't think that radical Muslims suicide bombing such construction sites is "pretty imaginative" at all. It is most likely an absolute certainty. We cannot make peace with these extremists. Take this, for example:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4502948.stm

As harsh as this sounds, if they want to live like animals, they need to be treated like animals. I don't know what kind of delusional dream world some of you hippies are living in, but we are very far from peace, and U.S. withdrawal isn't going to change that.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-08-16 07:40:55)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6785|Texas - Bigger than France

aardfrith wrote:

Declare peace on Islam.  Cut out all military spending on new weapons.  Stop sending weapons abroad.  Bring all the US troops home from the Middle and Far East.

Rebrand the units who have been called home as "humanitarian assistance teams" or HATs for short.  I know Americans like TLAs as much as anyone, so it's bound to go down well.

From all the money that has been saved on the military, give a quarter of it to the US health service - build new Meidcare hospitals and medical centres.  God knows I know how much medicine costs.  With the remaining billions of dollars, buy food, blankets, and distribute them to the Islamic countries that the terrorists reside in.  Build new homes, mosques, etc. for the people. DON'T PUT BUGS IN THEM!!!!

Basically, build bridges, not weapons.
A few comments:
1) Why should the US pay medicare for another country?
2) Why not build their economy to make them self-sufficient?
3) Aren't we trying to rebuild Iraq...and they keep fighting?
4) How does this stop the current extremists? - This works for the future generations, not now.

Basically I believe a handout is nice, but self sufficiency is better.  But then we can't get the people in Iraq to let us provide this assistance...

That's pretty frustrating.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7008|Cambridge (UK)

Dersmikner wrote:

Muslims and Muslim-sympathizers (those who think the U.S. and the Jews are out of line),

Give us your solution to OUR problem at hand. Tell us what you would do to stop terrorism. Tell us what we should do the next time a plane flies into a building. Tell us what we should do about the schools that train Muslim children to to straps bombs to their 14 year old abdomens and walk into grocery stores.

So we don't have to declare war on all of Islam, tell us what will fix things.

Give it to us one step at a time and THEN, tell us what we should do if we do all that, and we keep getting attacked by suicide bombers, terrorists, et al.
Now? It's too late now. Unless you've got a time machine. In which case, go back and prevent the start of the first world war.

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