I think you'll find the shelling of the family on the beach in Gaza by an Israeli warship prompted Hamas to officially declare an end to their ceasefire. It begs the question 'Do Israel understand what a ceasefire entails?'.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
Both countries have done terrible things yes, but 2 wrongs doesnt make a right does it? so israel attacks palestine coz theyre in fear palestine will attack, so it goes back and forth. what happened between the peace between the 2 countries last year? didnt palestine and israel call a truce and i quote areil sharon said nothing will break the peace between palestein and israel, then some dumbfuck terrorist has to fuck it up
calling jewish ppl nazis is just wrong... the jews got massacred during the holocaustIkarti wrote:
Mine is offending and Lisik's is not? Ok...let's talk double standards here.LaidBackNinja wrote:
I don't know about this whole discussion, but I do know that Ikrati's sig is really offending.
It's not very nice to modify someone's flag to make it look like nazis.
When Israel can sit there and call anyone who opposes it Nazis, and uses some strangely similar tactics on the Palestinians, I think that becomes irrelevant. Besides, that is the ISRAELI flag. Not the Jewish flag. Just because they choose to put a star of david on it isn't my problem.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
calling jewish ppl nazis is just wrong... the jews got massacred during the holocaustIkarti wrote:
Mine is offending and Lisik's is not? Ok...let's talk double standards here.LaidBackNinja wrote:
I don't know about this whole discussion, but I do know that Ikrati's sig is really offending.
It's not very nice to modify someone's flag to make it look like nazis.
israel national religion is judahism, kinda like the rest of the middle east is muslim. have you noticed that only arab muslims hate israelis and not the muslims in asia? funny eh how extremists twist words of the koranIkarti wrote:
When Israel can sit there and call anyone who opposes it Nazis, and uses some strangely similar tactics on the Palestinians, I think that becomes irrelevant. Besides, that is the ISRAELI flag. Not the Jewish flag. Just because they choose to put a star of david on it isn't my problem.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
calling jewish ppl nazis is just wrong... the jews got massacred during the holocaustIkarti wrote:
Mine is offending and Lisik's is not? Ok...let's talk double standards here.
The Asian ones aren't having their houses bulldozed.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
israel national religion is judahism, kinda like the rest of the middle east is muslim. have you noticed that only arab muslims hate israelis and not the muslims in asia? funny eh how extremists twist words of the koranIkarti wrote:
When Israel can sit there and call anyone who opposes it Nazis, and uses some strangely similar tactics on the Palestinians, I think that becomes irrelevant. Besides, that is the ISRAELI flag. Not the Jewish flag. Just because they choose to put a star of david on it isn't my problem.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
calling jewish ppl nazis is just wrong... the jews got massacred during the holocaust
something about the "lovely" Israelis CNN doesnt showLisik wrote:
http://www.falangist.com/damour.htmThe Massacre and Destruction of Damour
Arafat and the PLO plunged Lebanon into "massacres, rape, mutilation, rampages of looting and killings. Out of a population of 3.2 million, some 40,000 or more people had been killed, 100,000 wounded, 5,000 permanently maimed.
see also:
1975: Belt Mellat, Deir Eshash Tall Abbas (north Lebanon)
1976: Damur (Mount Lebanon), Chekka (north Lebanon), Qaa, Terbol (Bekaa valley)
1977: Aishye (south Lebanon), Maaser el-Shuf (Shuf Mountain)
1978: Ras Baalbeck, Shleefa (Bekaa valley)
1983: Major massacres in Aley, and the Shuf Mountains.
1984: Iqlim el-Kharrub (Mourn Lebanon)
1985: East Sidon (South Lebanon)
1990: Matn district
http://wpherald.com/articles/285/1/Isra … diers.html
http://www.adl.org/main_Terrorism/jewis … _80805.htm
1.
Al –khesas
19-12-1947
Al khesas is a village in the district of Safad North of Palestine. The Haganah gang attacked the village. Ten villagers were killed.
2.
Bab Al A moud
29-12-1947
30-12-1947
Bab al Amoud is one of Jerusalem gates. The Argon gang attacked the place in 29-12-1947 using barrel of explosives, killing 14 civilians and 27 were wounded in the attack. In the second day the same gang attacked the same place using the same mean and killing eleven Arabs and two British.
3.
Balad Al-Sheik
31-12-1947
1-1-1948
Balad Al Sheik is a village located at the foot of Alkarmel mountain. The Haganah carried out the attack on the village. Eleven were killed & thirty-three were wounded in the attack. In the second day they attacked the village again using grenades & automatic rifles. Thirty villagers were killed or wounded in the attack, most of theme were women & children.
4.
Saraya Jaffa
4-1-1948
Located in Jaffa .the Argon gang attacked the place. The Saraye was demolished. 30arabs were killed and 98 wounded. The attackers used barrel of explosives.
5.
Samieramies Hotel
5-1-1948
The hotel is located in al Qatmoun locality in Jerusalem city. 18 Arabs were killed and 20 wounded. The attack carried out by the Haganah gang using explosives.
6.
Sallah Aldien Street in Haifa
16-1-1948
The place was a store near Al Moghrabi building, salah Al Dien Street, Haifa .the attackers were Zionist disguised in British uniform using a time bomb. The attack resulted in killing 31 Arabs most of them children & women and 31 were wounded.
7.
Abbas Street
28-1-1948
A barrel full of explosives was used in the attack .20 were killed & 50 wounded.
8.
Sassa’
14-2-1-1948
A village in AJallil. Carried out by Hagana. 11 Arabs were killed in the attack.
9.
Al Salam Building
20-2-1948
Place : Jerusalem
Executed by : Shetron
Method:bomb
Result: 14 Arabs killed & 26 wounded
10
Al – Husieniah
13-3-1948
One of Jallil Villages
Executed by: Haganah
Method: explosives
Results: 30 Arabs were killed
11
Haifa Train
31-3-1-48
Place: Haifa train
Method: explosives
Results: 40 Arabs were killed
12
Deir Yassien Village
9-4-1948
Place : Dier Yassien Village
Executed by: Balmakh, Haganah & Shtren
Weapons used: hand grenades & automatic rifles
Results: 250 people were killed
13
Nasir Al- Dien Village
14-4-1948
The village located in the district of Tebariya
Executed by: Haganah gangs
Village inhabitants: 90. 50 of them were killed
Automatic guns were used in the attack.
14
Al – Lajoon
13-4-1948
District of Jenin
Executed by: Haganah gang
Result :13 Arabs were killed
15
Al – Lied
11-7-1948
Place: Al Lied
Executed by: Israeli army
Weapon : automatic guns
Victims: 426 Arabs were killed 176 of them were killed in the mosque.
16
Beth Daras
21-5-1948
Place: A village North East of Gaza
Executed by: gangs from Haganah, Shtern and Balmach
Weapons used: tanks,machine guns and grenades
Result : many Arabs were killed most of them were children & women
17
Sherfat Village
7-2-1951
Place: South of Jerusalem
Executed by: Israeli army
Weapons used: automatic guns & explosives
Results: ten people killed (2 elders, 3 women, and 5 children) and 8 wounded (women & children).
18
Beith- Lehim
6-1-1952
Place: Beth-Lehem city
Executed by: Israeli army
Weapons used: explosives
Results: 6 citizens killed & two children & two women
19
Qabia Village
14-10-1953
Place: west of Ramallah
Executed by: 600 Israeli soldiers
Weapons: artillery bombardment, mines, explosives automatic weapons
Results: destroying the whole village & 67 civilians were killed.
20
Nahaleen Village
28-3-1954
Place: West of Betlehem
Executed by: 300 Israeli soldiers
Weapons: hand grenades, mines and automatic guns
Results: 8 villagers & 3 Jordanian soldiers were killed and 14 wounded.
21
Qulqiliah Village
10-10-1956
Place: Qulqiliah village
Executed by: 4 battalions forces, infentery, tanks & artillery and 10 war planes.
Results: 70 resistance men were killed from the village & other villages who came for rescue
22
Kufer Qassim Village
29-10-1956
District of Nazareth
Executed by: border security forces
Weapons : automatic guns
Results: 43 villagers were killed ( 10 children, 9 women, 24 men) the village inhabitant before the massacre were 200
23
Al –Sheja’iah
28-2-1955
Place: Gaza strip
Executed by: Israeli army
weapons used: automatic guns
Results: 39 Palestinians & Egyptians were killed
24
Eyoon Qarah
Reshon Letsun
20-5-1990
Place: Reshon Letsun
Executed by: Ami Bober an Israeli extremist.
Weapons: M 16 rifle
Results: 7 workers killed & ten injured, in reaction to this brutal killing demonstrations & clashes flared up with the Israeli army which lasted for eight days & 12 civilians were killed & more than one thousand wounded.
25
Hebron
25-2-1994
Place: Ibrahiem holy shrine
Executed by : Borach Goldshtien an extremist settler
Time: down prayer
Result: 29 worshipers were killed & the killer was killed by the worshipers. In reaction to this incident protest were carried out which resulted in the death of 22 civilians and 350 wounded.
26
Abu – Shosha Village
14-5-1948
Place: in district of Jerusalem
Executed by: Israeli army ( Jefa’ati Brigade)
Weapons: automatic guns & axes
Results: 50 people were killed
27
Khan -Younis
3-11-1956
Place: Gaza strip
Executed by : Israeli army
Weapons: automatic guns
Results: in the beginning 250persons were killed and the next massacre 275 persons were killed in the same camp
28
Al- aqsa Mosque
8-10-1990
Place: Jerusalem city inside Al Aqsa mosque vicinity
Executed by: Israeli army
Weapons: automatic guns
Results: 21 martyred and 150 wounded
29
Rafah City
12-11-1956
Place: Al- Ameririah school in Rafah, one of Gaza Strip.
Executed by : Israeli army
Weapons: automatic guns
Results: hundreds were killed with no reason except those leaving their homes were shot at by the soldiers
30
AL Dawaimah Village
27-10-1948
Place: District of Hebron
Executed by : Israeli army
Weapons: automatic guns
Results: the village was completely destroyed, 200 were killed and the villagers fled away.
31
AL-Tantora Village
23-5-1948
Executed by: Israeli army
Weapons: automatic guns
Result: The village was completely destroyed , 71 were Killed and the village fled away .
Wow, that's only 1947-48! Plenty of more Israeli caused bloodshed after that.
More people should look at that......Poe is right - the media really is censored over here in the U.S. People are blind to what is really happening over there.......too sad.Ikarti wrote:
Bullshit. We don't see this on TV.Lisik wrote:
all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m24885&h … =1&l=x
Source may be biased but those photos are real, like it or not.
Israelis always calling Arabs and Palestinians cowards while they use their airplanes and artillery and never even see their victims.
Lisik..........thats like the pot calling the kettle black..........LOL
Thanks for the laugh
Jusster
Thanks for the laugh
Jusster
Ikarti wrote:
Lisik's a dumb Israeli kid who has been brainwashed by the propaganda spewed over there. I kinda pity him.
Seriously, why do you guys bother.Lisik wrote:
all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
It's like arguing with a computer that is programmed to only give you one answer.
it's always about Palestinians, and not Israel right? BSLisik wrote:
kids... this thread about palestinians not israel... so please stay on theme, or dont enter "Debate and sereous talk"
No doubt, I for one am sick of the crap that Israel gets away with, as well as the fact that the US stands by them. Unfortunately, We seem to be bound at the hip in terms of policies twards each other. Blatant lies to impliment policy for the good of the heads in charge. Israel has gotten away with so much crap that it's sickening. Tell me this. when they openly attacked a US warship in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, where was the news coverage of that? Yeah, I'm talking to you, American Media. Hip to hip in this great nation of ours. Israel, I respect your right to defend yourself, but using the abduction of two soldiers to initiate a full blown conflict, and destruction of a country and civilian lives, it puts you in no better light than those who persecuted you back during WWII.
For those who want to read up on the Israeli attack of the USS LIBERTY, here is the link. http://www.ussliberty.com/report/report.htm
For those who want to read up on the Israeli attack of the USS LIBERTY, here is the link. http://www.ussliberty.com/report/report.htm
Another victory for terrorist organizations around the world. Thanks to all the sympathizers of Hezbollah, Lebanon will continue to be a puppet on the global stage, being controlled by Iran. The same country who's goal is the extermination of the Jewish state of Israel. Hurray for justice!CameronPoe wrote:
Don't be ludicrous. Most western TV is sanitised to make the Israelis look good. The link I posted is proof enough of that. Independent documentaries shown here in Ireland and other countries show the kind of oppression Israel engages in. Sadly it's something Americans will rarely if ever see. I noticed on BBC last night they interviewed an Israeli soldier who said he was 'disappointed that their mission in Lebanon had been a failure' to paraphrase - he was silently pressured by his superiour officer to stfu and he quickly changed subject. Oh well - ye may have failed but at least you killed 30 times more civilians than your opponents and destroyed a country in the process.Lisik wrote:
all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
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Hey - when terrorists fight terrorists then terrorists are always going to be the winner!rawls2 wrote:
Another victory for terrorist organizations around the world. Thanks to all the sympathizers of Hezbollah, Lebanon will continue to be a puppet on the global stage, being controlled by Iran. The same country who's goal is the extermination of the Jewish state of Israel. Hurray for justice!CameronPoe wrote:
Don't be ludicrous. Most western TV is sanitised to make the Israelis look good. The link I posted is proof enough of that. Independent documentaries shown here in Ireland and other countries show the kind of oppression Israel engages in. Sadly it's something Americans will rarely if ever see. I noticed on BBC last night they interviewed an Israeli soldier who said he was 'disappointed that their mission in Lebanon had been a failure' to paraphrase - he was silently pressured by his superiour officer to stfu and he quickly changed subject. Oh well - ye may have failed but at least you killed 30 times more civilians than your opponents and destroyed a country in the process.Lisik wrote:
all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
When Israel no longer has borders or the state ceases to exist and they still occupy the land then I'll consider them terrorist. But as for now, they are defending their HOME, yes, THEIR HOME.
Funny that, the Lebanese did that when Israel invaded during the civil war, oddly enough they got imprisoned as terrorists and a lot of them are still sitting in jail. Hezbollah's not too happy about that.rawls2 wrote:
When Israel no longer has borders or the state ceases to exist and they still occupy the land then I'll consider them terrorist. But as for now, they are defending their HOME, yes, THEIR HOME.
Both sides are assholes there are no innocents in the world anymore get over it people die wars happen genocide happens it sucks it really does but nothing we do will ever help it anyone that thinks we can stop things of this nature are ignorant there will never be peace there has never been peace since the beginning of time. Man by nature is territorial just like an animal therefore there will be no peace but man has an extra added achillies heal called religion so not only is man by nature territorial we also have a profound retardation and calling to defend things we belive to be true which just arent. SHIT HAPPENDS GET OVER IT were all gonna die in the end anyways.
Teenage nihilism at its finest.HOLLYWOOD=_=FTW=_= wrote:
Both sides are assholes there are no innocents in the world anymore get over it people die wars happen genocide happens it sucks it really does but nothing we do will ever help it anyone that thinks we can stop things of this nature are ignorant there will never be peace there has never been peace since the beginning of time. Man by nature is territorial just like an animal therefore there will be no peace but man has an extra added achillies heal called religion so not only is man by nature territorial we also have a profound retardation and calling to defend things we belive to be true which just arent. SHIT HAPPENDS GET OVER IT were all gonna die in the end anyways.
Oh that's right - borders determine whether you're a terrorist now. I see. I guess Iran can't be classified as a terrorist state then either. You also don't seem to have a problem with the fact that they currently occupy and are attempting to extend their borders into the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Shebaa Farms and Golan Heights by force and stealth.rawls2 wrote:
When Israel no longer has borders or the state ceases to exist and they still occupy the land then I'll consider them terrorist. But as for now, they are defending their HOME, yes, THEIR HOME.
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You catch the bully off guard. You come in sideways on the situation (in other words, you think differently about it). You only ever attack him though because if you hit somebody else you ARE becoming a terrorist. You didn't respond to what I said though. Militants kidnap somebody in Gaza, Israel's response was to bomb the power grid leaving a large area without power. I'm not talking about Hezbollah.Mike_J wrote:
Here Flecco, let me give you a hypothetical scenerio much like you did. You go to school and have a bully problem. You've had this problem before but the situation seems to be dying down. Before you can even get comfortable, the bully strikes at you again. No one helps you, not even the Principal. You can either do nothing about it and let it happen again, or you can take matters into your own hands. Although, when you do try to take action against this problem, the bully hides behind his friends and you receive criticism from others. What do you do now? Why do people view you as the bad guy?Flecco wrote:
He might not be dumb, he is probably not brainwashed. He is just..Ikarti wrote:
Lisik's a dumb Israeli kid who has been brainwashed by the propaganda spewed over there. I kinda pity him.
a) Biased due to country of residence.
b) Never been taught better.
Hey, Lisik, we know some Palestinians have done bad things so lets ask you a hypothetical question.
Somebody breaks your leg in a car accident, does that give you the right to kill them, their family and that random person you saw walking down the street who looks a little like them?
Collective punishment is a dreadful idea.
EDIT
Added the word "some". Because the militants within Palestine are in the minority.
EDIT
Fixed a typo, numb fingers aren't good for typing.
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Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
But how do you respond sideways? In order to affect the "bully," there's noway to avoid the faces of those that stay between your fist and the face of your target, as unfortunate as that is. It's a lose-lose situation. Inaction won't stop continued attacks, yet action affects bystanders. Sure catching the bully off guard in this hypothetical situation would be great, but how can this be played out in the real situation? Let me read back to try and find out about what you stated earlier; not quite understanding what you meant about not responding to something earlier.
Edit: I couldn't find anything earlier referring to the "militants kidnap somebody in Gaza, Irael's response was to bomb the power grid leaving a large area without power. I'm not talking about Hezbollah" response. Is this what you mean though; what is the purpose of this attack? If it is, then really my answer can be inferred from my response above this edited section. Trying to deprive the target of neccessities like electrical power is just like "punching the bully" when innocents are in the way.
Edit: I couldn't find anything earlier referring to the "militants kidnap somebody in Gaza, Irael's response was to bomb the power grid leaving a large area without power. I'm not talking about Hezbollah" response. Is this what you mean though; what is the purpose of this attack? If it is, then really my answer can be inferred from my response above this edited section. Trying to deprive the target of neccessities like electrical power is just like "punching the bully" when innocents are in the way.
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I'm reffering to collective punishment.Mike_J wrote:
But how do you respond sideways? In order to affect the "bully," there's noway to avoid the faces of those that stay between your fist and the face of your target, as unfortunate as that is. It's a lose-lose situation. Inaction won't stop continued attacks, yet action affects bystanders. Sure catching the bully off guard in this hypothetical situation would be great, but how can this be played out in the real situation? Let me read back to try and find out about what you stated earlier; not quite understanding what you meant about not responding to something earlier.
Edit: I couldn't find anything earlier referring to the "militants kidnap somebody in Gaza, Israel's response was to bomb the power grid leaving a large area without power. I'm not talking about Hezbollah" response. Is this what you mean though; what is the purpose of this attack? If it is, then really my answer can be inferred from my response above this edited section. Trying to deprive the target of neccessities like electrical power is just like "punching the bully" when innocents are in the way.
Set a trap for the bully, make him see an opening that isn't there. Instead of bombing a power station try blowing a substation or removing some local cables (not sure how the power grids there work but it works here. Remove a substation and there goes power to the street.) I'm quite certain Israel's intelligence services could set traps for terrorist groups.
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Mike and I could do this all day. I think it's best we don't. I'm sure that there is no need for collective punishment. Israel's government seems to think otherwise.
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Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
ummm, the Mooslims groups fighting Israel are driven by their religion to destroy Israel and NonMooslims. This is a fact, they openly admit it, Maybe you should.
This is why CameronPoe will always look like an Idiot no matter what he says about how Israel is to blame for everything. Jews get along with all religions/groups of people in the world, Mooslims war with all religions/groups of people in the world they come into contact with. These are FACTS, that everyone knows. Only racism could allow someone to overlook these FACTS.
Cameron, why aren't the Christians in Israel/Palestine fighting the Jews/Israel???
This is why CameronPoe will always look like an Idiot no matter what he says about how Israel is to blame for everything. Jews get along with all religions/groups of people in the world, Mooslims war with all religions/groups of people in the world they come into contact with. These are FACTS, that everyone knows. Only racism could allow someone to overlook these FACTS.
Cameron, why aren't the Christians in Israel/Palestine fighting the Jews/Israel???
I dont think I ever called Iran a terrorist state. However, this doesn't mean they dont support terrorist orgs.CameronPoe wrote:
Oh that's right - borders determine whether you're a terrorist now. I see. I guess Iran can't be classified as a terrorist state then either. You also don't seem to have a problem with the fact that they currently occupy and are attempting to extend their borders into the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Shebaa Farms and Golan Heights by force and stealth.rawls2 wrote:
When Israel no longer has borders or the state ceases to exist and they still occupy the land then I'll consider them terrorist. But as for now, they are defending their HOME, yes, THEIR HOME.
I dont have a problem with Israel occupying all those parts you mentioned if it is to prevents bombings in other parts of Israel.