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2006-08-15 03:55:35
Lisik
Member
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The Massacre and Destruction of Damour

Arafat and the PLO plunged Lebanon into "massacres, rape, mutilation, rampages of looting and killings. Out of a population of 3.2 million, some 40,000 or more people had been killed, 100,000 wounded, 5,000 permanently maimed.
http://www.falangist.com/damour.htm

see also:

1975: Belt Mellat, Deir Eshash Tall Abbas (north Lebanon)
1976: Damur (Mount Lebanon), Chekka (north Lebanon), Qaa, Terbol (Bekaa valley)
1977: Aishye (south Lebanon), Maaser el-Shuf (Shuf Mountain)
1978: Ras Baalbeck, Shleefa (Bekaa valley)
1983: Major massacres in Aley, and the Shuf Mountains.
1984: Iqlim el-Kharrub (Mourn Lebanon)
1985: East Sidon (South Lebanon)
1990: Matn district
2006-08-15 03:56:55
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6967|Wilmington, DE, US
Great, maybe next topic you make you can do it about all the lovely things the Israelis have done.

Why don't you start with the Lebanese Civil War which you so "helpfully" got involved with. How about the prisoners the Israelis took because they were simply defending their homes? The ones that haven't been released yet?

Last edited by Ikarti (2006-08-15 03:59:14)

2006-08-15 03:58:19
CameronPoe
Member
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Lisik wrote:

The Massacre and Destruction of Damour

Arafat and the PLO plunged Lebanon into "massacres, rape, mutilation, rampages of looting and killings. Out of a population of 3.2 million, some 40,000 or more people had been killed, 100,000 wounded, 5,000 permanently maimed.
http://www.falangist.com/damour.htm

see also:

1975: Belt Mellat, Deir Eshash Tall Abbas (north Lebanon)
1976: Damur (Mount Lebanon), Chekka (north Lebanon), Qaa, Terbol (Bekaa valley)
1977: Aishye (south Lebanon), Maaser el-Shuf (Shuf Mountain)
1978: Ras Baalbeck, Shleefa (Bekaa valley)
1983: Major massacres in Aley, and the Shuf Mountains.
1984: Iqlim el-Kharrub (Mourn Lebanon)
1985: East Sidon (South Lebanon)
1990: Matn district
You know what's funny: here's the response from the EirGrid firewall when I tried to access that link -

Websense wrote:

Your organization's Internet use policy restricts access to this web page at this time.
 
Reason:
The Websense category "Racism and Hate" is filtered.
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URL:
http://www.falangist.com/damour.htm
Needless to say I can't access it to comment on it.

Lisik - watch some of this when you get home from work/war/wherever....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 4384920696

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-15 03:59:41)

2006-08-15 03:59:28
Lisik
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all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
2006-08-15 04:00:40
CameronPoe
Member
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Lisik wrote:

all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
Don't be ludicrous. Most western TV is sanitised to make the Israelis look good. The link I posted is proof enough of that. Independent documentaries shown here in Ireland and other countries show the kind of oppression Israel engages in. Sadly it's something Americans will rarely if ever see. I noticed on BBC last night they interviewed an Israeli soldier who said he was 'disappointed that their mission in Lebanon had been a failure' to paraphrase - he was silently pressured by his superiour officer to stfu and he quickly changed subject. Oh well - ye may have failed but at least you killed 30 times more civilians than your opponents and destroyed a country in the process.

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2006-08-15 04:00:44
mafia996630
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loooks who's back. another mindless post. o and your title does not make sense, cnn is bias towards isreal, therefore saying that is really dum. watch the video on my sig for more info.

Last edited by mafia996630 (2006-08-15 04:01:50)

2006-08-15 04:02:25
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
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Lisik wrote:

all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
Bullshit. We don't see this on TV.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m24885&h … =1&l=x

Source may be biased but those photos are real, like it or not.
Israelis always calling Arabs and Palestinians cowards while they use their airplanes and artillery and never even see their victims.
2006-08-15 04:05:04
-Solv3r-
Heia den som vinner!
+115|6815|Oslo, Norway
Happy Holocaust!
2006-08-15 04:18:20
DonFck
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Did someone mention the lovely things Israel has done?

Well, I stumbled across this little list.. It's not a concise list of what single actions Israel has performed, but a list of UN resolutions condemning the actions of Israel between the years 1955 through 1992. Let's see now..

# * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
# * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
# * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
# * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
# * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
# * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
# * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
# * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
# * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
# * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
# * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
# * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
# * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
# * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
# *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
# * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
# * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
# * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
# * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
# * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
# * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
# * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
# * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
# * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
# * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
# * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
# * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
# * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
# * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
# * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
# * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
# * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians".
# * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
# * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
# * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
# * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors".
# * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility".
# * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
# * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
# * Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in".
# * Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
# * Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
# * Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.
# * Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
# * Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian studentsat Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
# * Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practicesdenying the human rights of Palestinians.
# * Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
# * Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
# * Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
# * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
# * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
# * Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.
# * Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.
# * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
# * Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
# * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return

Source

Last edited by DonFck (2006-08-15 04:18:38)

I need around tree fiddy.
2006-08-15 04:30:36
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
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But DonFck, the UN is part of a vast anti-Semitic conspiracy. Didn't you know?

/sarcasm
2006-08-15 04:32:32
Lisik
Member
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kids... this thread about palestinians not israel... so please stay on theme, or dont enter "Debate and sereous talk"
2006-08-15 04:38:10
DonFck
Hibernator
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Lisik wrote:

kids... this thread about palestinians not israel... so please stay on theme, or dont enter "Debate and sereous talk"
You heard it! No other than Lisik said it!

So, should I start a new thread with the list (posted above by moi) as the starting post?
I need around tree fiddy.
2006-08-15 04:39:56
Lunatic_480
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Lisik aren't you a little bit biased as an Israeli yourself? First think before posting a signature with a picture like that.
2006-08-15 04:43:30
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
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Lisik's a dumb Israeli kid who has been brainwashed by the propaganda spewed over there. I kinda pity him.
2006-08-15 04:58:05
Cybargs
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Lisik wrote:

kids... this thread about palestinians not israel... so please stay on theme, or dont enter "Debate and sereous talk"
this thread is about israel/palenstine conflict. israel massacred ppl in palenstine, apaches helicopters firing tv guided missiles into ppls homes... yeah i see how that works out
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2006-08-15 04:58:44
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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Ikarti wrote:

Lisik's a dumb Israeli kid who has been brainwashed by the propaganda spewed over there. I kinda pity him.
He might not be dumb, he is probably not brainwashed. He is just..

a) Biased due to country of residence.
b) Never been taught better.

Hey, Lisik, we know some Palestinians have done bad things so lets ask you a hypothetical question.

Somebody breaks your leg in a car accident, does that give you the right to kill them, their family and that random person you saw walking down the street who looks a little like them?

Collective punishment is a dreadful idea.

EDIT

Added the word "some". Because the militants within Palestine are in the minority.

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Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2006-08-15 05:00:41
JahManRed
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Ikarti wrote:

Lisik's a dumb Israeli kid who has been brainwashed by the propaganda spewed over there. I kinda pity him.
Me too. What saddens me is he is in the majority.
2006-08-15 06:28:09
Mike_J
Member
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Flecco wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Lisik's a dumb Israeli kid who has been brainwashed by the propaganda spewed over there. I kinda pity him.
He might not be dumb, he is probably not brainwashed. He is just..

a) Biased due to country of residence.
b) Never been taught better.

Hey, Lisik, we know some Palestinians have done bad things so lets ask you a hypothetical question.

Somebody breaks your leg in a car accident, does that give you the right to kill them, their family and that random person you saw walking down the street who looks a little like them?

Collective punishment is a dreadful idea.

EDIT

Added the word "some". Because the militants within Palestine are in the minority.
Car accident?  More like the guy intentionally tried to ram you.  Tell me how you would stop that person if he persistently tried to attack you somehow?  Seems like all of you Israel bashers are suggesting inaction to an attack.  Deductive reasoning would lead one to believe that, especially after reading one of Ikarti's sig quotes.  Ikarti, please explain the logic to the quote I'm referring to.  How is limiting a right in exchange for security going to lead to neither?  Last I checked, that's what government in general does.  You give up absolute freedom to do whatever the hell you want in exchange for some security.  Appears to me that you feel we have no rights at all.  Come to think of it, the United States has one of the oldest established governments on the planet, if not the oldest.  We must be doing something right.

On topic, I seriously can't understand all of your criticisms against Israel.  As far as I know, before all of this,  things over there seemed to be settling down.  Israel even returned some land.  Before you know it, Israeli soldiers are kidnapped.  Israel makes attempts to attack the culprits.  Unfortunately, these Hezbollah folks hide behind innocents, which lead to civilian casualties.  Funny thing I can't get over is hearing Hezbollah claim how they'll meet Israel head on, but the more Israel moves in to confront them, the more Hezbollah runs.  Civilian casualties are not solely the fault of Israel, but the cowards who hide behind them.  I think some of ya'll have fallen into their trap.  Don't you think that's what Hezbollah wants to happen?  More dirt on Israel all the while no criticisms on Hezbollah.  So really, I'm not being sarcastic, what are your arguements against Israel directed at?

Here Flecco, let me give you a hypothetical scenerio much like you did.  You go to school and have a bully problem.  You've had this problem before but the situation seems to be dying down.  Before you can even get comfortable, the bully strikes at you again.  No one helps you, not even the Principal.  You can either do nothing about it and let it happen again, or you can take matters into your own hands.  Although, when you do try to take action against this problem, the bully hides behind his friends and you receive criticism from others.  What do you do now?  Why do people view you as the bad guy?

I'm glad Israel is attemtping to attack Hezbollah.  They deserve it.  It's unfortunate that innocent civilians are caught between this conflict.  I can't imagine myself staying if I were a noncombatant.  I certainly view my life more important than my material possessions.  There's not much Israel can do though to prevent these accidents.  The more they cater to the civilians, the more losses Israel will attain.  Hopefully Israel accomplishes their objective, but for me, it still doesn't detract from the USS Liberty incident.  Can't seem to get over that.  Accidents occur though right?
2006-08-15 06:35:16
LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
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I don't know about this whole discussion, but I do know that Ikrati's sig is really offending.
It's not very nice to modify someone's flag to make it look like nazis.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
2006-08-15 06:35:29
WilhelmSissener
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boring...

every country has done lovley things i guess
2006-08-15 06:45:46
alpinestar
Member
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Lisik wrote:

all what Israel have done u can see on tv...
Yeah thats why Israel has AIPAC in US. Fucking propaganada machine.
2006-08-15 06:47:39
CameronPoe
Member
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Thanks to iNeedUrFace4Soup for the text from the website.

OK where do we begin. We can all acknowledge that a deplorable massacre of innocents occurred at Damour. That is irrefutable fact. The forces of the PLO were responsible that is also true. But let us analyse certain facts about this account of the massacre:

1) The website hosting this account is www.falangist.com. Christian Falangism is a fascist movement originating in Spain. The Christian Falange paramilitary organisation in Lebanon were one of the main protagonists of the Lebanese civil war. They espoused hard-right principles and were responsible for deplorable behaviour on a par with or worse than that which occurred at Damour at the hands of the PLO. This does not make the PLO's behaviour any more acceptable but I think we should all understand the nature of the website hosting this account. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that, aided and abetted by the odious Ariel Sharon, the Falangists were repsonsible for the appalling Sabra & Shatila Massacre, where upwards of 800 Palestinian civilians were killed. As such, they are no angels by any manner of means. Just to put things in context.

2) Further Context: The Karantina Massacre occurred on 18th of January 1976. Karantina was overrun by Christian militias with Syrian backing, and a large number of civilians massacred. This precedes the Damour massacre and many put this forward this as the reason behind the harshness of the PLO's response (over 1000 civilians were killed at Karantina).

3) This account is written extremely emotively and is designed to pull at the readers' heart strings, especially those of the christian faith (a faith I have long abandoned). Let's look at some examples: the account is frequently embellished with needless emotive comments like 'even the orange trees were stripped of their fruit in the citrus groves' and 'except one old man who said he could not walk and would prefer to die in front of his own house'. It states that the massacre occurred 'three days after Epiphany' - big deal! OMG it was 3 days after Epiphany!! I'm sure the muslims were aware of the Epiphany and when it occurred! LOL. The fact of the matter is that this account is overly sentimental and is not a statement of hard facts in the traditional sense. It plays out the incident like some sort of soap opera. I don't want to disparage the poor innocent victims of this gruesome massacre but if you're gonna post a 'respectable' account of the massacre to the general populace please post something more purely factual and post something from a respectable source.

4) Civil wars are never pretty. Most countries in the world have had theirs and I'm sure similar (-ish at least) deplorable acts were perpetrated by either protagonist in your own particular country's fight for liberation.

5) To borrow a christian phrase "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Israel are far from angels, in fact they have acted as deplorably as some of these falangist, islamist and 'terrorist' factions have done in the past. The only reason they seem to be exempt from criticism is their clever manipulation of world opinion/the press and the fact that they are an official state. When one uses a conventional army to do the work of a 'terrorist', masquerading under the banners of self-defence or pre-emptive threat prevention, it is harder for the layperson to view them as 'terrorists' in the ordinary sense. The fact of the matter is however that Israel is a terrorist state as bad as any of these evil little factions we speak of here. It is in fact a state born out of the 'terrorism' of the Haganah, Lehi and Irgun and out of the displacement of millions of peoples from their homes. Read up on it.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-15 06:58:30)

2006-08-15 07:00:18
Cybargs
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Both countries have done terrible things yes, but 2 wrongs doesnt make a right does it? so israel attacks palestine coz theyre in fear palestine will attack, so it goes back and forth. what happened between the peace between the 2 countries last year? didnt palestine and israel call a truce and i quote areil sharon said nothing will break the peace between palestein and israel, then some dumbfuck terrorist has to fuck it up
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2006-08-15 07:05:27
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6967|Wilmington, DE, US

LaidBackNinja wrote:

I don't know about this whole discussion, but I do know that Ikrati's sig is really offending.
It's not very nice to modify someone's flag to make it look like nazis.
Mine is offending and Lisik's is not? Ok...let's talk double standards here.
2006-08-15 07:07:45
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6974

Ikarti wrote:

LaidBackNinja wrote:

I don't know about this whole discussion, but I do know that Ikrati's sig is really offending.
It's not very nice to modify someone's flag to make it look like nazis.
Mine is offending and Lisik's is not? Ok...let's talk double standards here.
thats what palestinian soldiers do... they DO hide behind civilians. im not saying most of them are, im saying the bastard ones are.
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