You know what dice does?

2006-08-06 06:47:52

#1

MECtallica: Member; +73|6780|jalalabad

I bet that beta testers will get a bunch of bugs fixed.... then at the last day before release dice will want to mess with some things, trying to fix stuff, that has already been fixed....thus screwing it up. Out of all games i've played, BF2 seems the MOST incomplete!! Buggy everything

I think dice should just give up on BF2 and 2142 and give it over to some one who can actually code:/

2006-08-06 06:50:14

#2

naightknifar: Served and Out; +642|6837|Southampton, UK

ie: you?
Didn't think so.
Believe it or not, BF2 is one of the most complex games of all time. It is stupidly hard to write,make and still be compatable for EVERY single computer in the world. Imagine how many different graphics card/ monitors/ processors etc. they have to be compatable with.

Can't blame em. Although yes, there are alot of bugs. But doesn't every game have bugs?

2006-08-06 06:51:04

#3

Chou: Member; +737|7067

BF2 should have stayed in Sweden

2006-08-06 06:54:04

#4

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7086|Nårvei

MECtallica wrote:
I bet that beta testers will get a bunch of bugs fixed.... then at the last day before release dice will want to mess with some things, trying to fix stuff, that has already been fixed....thus screwing it up. Out of all games I've played, BF2 seems the MOST incomplete!! Buggy everything

I think dice should just give up on BF2 and 2142 and give it over to some one who can actually code:/

Obviously you have not been playing many onlinegames, and thus all your points BF2 is one of the most popular and wellfunctioning games on the market !

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2006-08-06 06:58:40

#5

fierce: I love [fiSh]; +167|6844

knightnufer wrote:
Imagine how many different graphics card/ monitors/ processors etc. they have to be compatable with.

You don't mean this serious, do you?

2006-08-06 06:59:09

#6

naightknifar: Served and Out; +642|6837|Southampton, UK

... are you being serious?

2006-08-06 07:01:04

#7

fierce: I love [fiSh]; +167|6844

Did you ever heard something about things like DirectX, OpenGL, Direct3D, DirectSound etc?

I guess not and if you know the termns, you have no clue what they're.

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2006-08-06 15:00:56

#8

XxsilentjayexX: Member; +1|6952|Ohio

umm.... you have to look at all the steam games, and WOW and all those other games.. i have yet to have any other game crash as i joined a server other than my computer overheating and shut its self down.. which sucks by the way

2006-08-06 15:10:33

#9

Pyrri: Member; +7|6899

I once got a monitor fried because of a cracked Diablo-version. Crash to desktop is kind of peanuts compared to that. Aaaaa... The smell of burnt electonics and the magic blue smoke leaving.
My father was like: WTF?! You're not installing that shit again!

2006-08-07 08:21:28

#10

MaximumMayhem: Member; +27|6927|Mashtuur Boulevard

I agree.. the mainstay of the problems that we are experiencing with Battlefield 2 are in the code and arent really relevant to all the different system configurations the world over.

Example: Patch 1.22 - fantastic for most.. patch 1.3 comes out and now servers are dropping out of the sky like poisoned pidgeons..

Dice are just shit. Accept it..

2006-08-07 10:53:49

#11

High Spirit: Member; +5|6848|Canada, Eh?

Pyrri wrote:
I once got a monitor fried because of a cracked Diablo-version.

As a IT Professional, I can tell you that is unlikely.

2006-08-07 15:33:42

#12

Fujin: Member; +18|6822

Yeah, we really outta give DICE a little break (and I mean little, for I too have experienced some of the bugs). For the most part however, if you have a well configured system, you should have a relatively good experience with the game. I don't think everything is DICE's issue more than how we individually have our computers config'ed...I mean it is a very complex game and all that coding is bound to have issues with some computers. I have two desktops running this game; an older one that meets the minimum specs - I have had tons of bug issues with this, all somewhat resolved through reconfig after reconfig. My newer comp well exceeds the recommended specs - I have had very little bug issues with this one...just goes to show that maybe and all addressing tweak guide is more necessary than recoding. If you look at the numbers, of the 10s of thousands playing this, only hundreds are having issues...acceptable odds...I guess.

2006-08-07 18:24:00

#13

lavadisk: I am a cat ¦ 3; +369|7106|Denver colorado

yeah but what can you do for a game so complicated. im glad that nobodys talking about ea like everybody normallly dose because ea is really just the publisher, its kind of like a book..

2006-08-07 18:25:50

#14

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6983|67.222.138.85

Choumichel wrote:
BF2 should have stayed in Sweden

You don't mean that.

2006-08-08 03:52:21

#15

c0rce: Member; +11|6845

Am I missing something, what exactly about BF2 is more complex than Doom3, Half-Life 2, CS:Source or any other type of game? As far as I can see it is no more complex than the average game, physics wise HL2 has more breakable environments and better code - how often did you play hl2, kill someone and watch as the body got stuck in the scenery and span around? - happens in BF2 all the time. Shader wise Doom 3 and Half Life 2 have much more to offer than BF2, surfaces in BF2 don't look better, how about the shiny gold sacks of sand on Special Forces, very realistic or all the non descript walls and floors, hardly any bump mapping at all.

So thats physics and graphics wise, not as good, so if it is more complex that must be because it was coded by chimps. Feature wise, well wow team fortress and team fortress classic had several classes for you to play, and they were capture the flag too.

All that BF2 is better at is sucking up pc resources, I had to upgrade by 3500+ and 7800GTX machine to 2Gb RAM just to play the bloody game smoothly, when I played hl2 on a 9600XT smoothly with my gig of RAM.

As for all the hard work programmers have to put in to make games compatible, well can I remind you that this is the same for any bloody game. As has been mentioned so many times, its not like you have to use each pc config and consider every one, you use tools like directx that provide a bridge between the hardware and software to help you.

BF2 is still the only game I know that takes 10 minutes to 'optimise' itself for your computer every time you change graphics options, other games simply change a single line in their cfg to choose the appropriate rendering path. BF2 is still the only game that I can start, click to join a server, go and take a piss, come back and still have to wait for the map to load. Its only saving grace is that its actually quite a good game, just has a shitload of things wrong with it that can never be defended.

2006-08-08 03:56:51

#16

EvilMonkeySlayer: Member; +82|6928

High Spirit wrote:
Pyrri wrote:
I once got a monitor fried because of a cracked Diablo-version.
As a IT Professional, I can tell you that is unlikely.

Try older CRT monitors and get them changing frequency and resolution fast, then proceed to watch it fry.
Make sure it's in and out of frequencies that it can and cannot do and I guarantee you a fried monitor.

2006-08-08 08:54:45

#17

alpinestar: Member; +304|6872|New York City baby.

knightnufer wrote:
ie: you?
Didn't think so.
Believe it or not, BF2 is one of the most complex games of all time. It is stupidly hard to write,make and still be compatable for EVERY single computer in the world. Imagine how many different graphics card/ monitors/ processors etc. they have to be compatable with.

Can't blame em. Although yes, there are alot of bugs. But doesn't every game have bugs?

look, it's not compatibility issue and it is not all the complexity you might think theres a thing you call API therfore reducing compatibility issues to its level, as far as programming for bf2 engine goes it is as shit as it gets, netcode sucks so much half the time bullets register when playing online and massive system slowdowns when there is 64 players in radius of 20-50 meters (game units)

2006-08-08 08:55:54

#18

alpinestar: Member; +304|6872|New York City baby.

XxsilentjayexX wrote:
umm.... you have to look at all the steam games, and WOW and all those other games.. i have yet to have any other game crash as i joined a server other than my computer overheating and shut its self down.. which sucks by the way

steam is now owned by EA

2006-08-08 09:29:11

#19

mKmalfunction: Infamous meleeKings cult. Est. 2003 B.C.; +82|6816|The Lost Highway

High Spirit wrote:
Pyrri wrote:
I once got a monitor fried because of a cracked Diablo-version.
As a IT Professional, I can tell you that is unlikely.

Beyond games, porn, and design, I know nothing about computers. Even I can tell him it's very unlikely.

2006-08-08 10:33:47

#20

ReTox: Member; +100|6775|State of RETOXification

I'm a professional developer... basically, I've been writing code since the Commodore-64. I've worked with pretty much every technology BF2 uses. Audio, 3D Graphics, VoIP, Database... been there, done that.

So I don't feel overly bold in saying that BF2 is NOT some overly complex code-base that is beyond anything else and this is one of the reasons I get soooo mad at EA and Dice. BF2's complexity is on par with any other top FPS that has been released in the last 2 years. FEAR and COD2 are great examples that are close to or just as complex as BF2. I see the brilliance of BF2. It could EASILY be the best game ever created.... if only it frickin' worked. To this day I can't fathom why we can't change our nicks in game?!? It is a simple database record and since the PID is what is used to track you why can't I change my name and leave my PID alone?? And don't even get me started on the server browser!

I can respect the pressure Dice is under with regards to dealing with the juggernaut that is EA but that respect goes away when they waste time adding new stuff instead of fixing what is actually wrong with the game. I strive for the absolute best quality I can get out of my code and the idea of leaving a bug in the code just to add new features is reprehensible to me! So whoever is making the decision to add new stuff and "sod the bugs" seriously needs to get fired.

Speaking of the New stuff... I would venture to guess that the vehicle drop is 97% of the reason 1.3 crashes everywhere and why (almost) the entire game now sucks ass water. Thanks to all the server admins that kick/ban for cartillery! You guys rock and I bet you have found that your server doesn't crash quite so much as well! I wonder how stable "Infantry Only" will be once the masses get at it. Dunno.

Either way, Until the ass-hatery at EA/Dice stops I Will boycott all further products from them.

2006-08-08 21:43:53

#21

High Spirit: Member; +5|6848|Canada, Eh?

ReTox wrote:
I'm a professional developer... basically, I've been writing code since the Commodore-64.

Ugh... The names 'Battlefield 2' and 'Commodore 64' should not be allowed together in the same message...

2006-08-08 22:06:13

#22

Fujin: Member; +18|6822

The "complexity" of BF2 / code lies with it's inferior engine when compared to other high end games like Doom3, HL2, Quake, etc. Those games have a hugely less buggy environment due to, lets face it, a much better engine. Not to say BF2s is total crap, but the comparison (on a global scale to include compatibility with different systems / connections, etc.) leaves the BF2 engine needing...help. With a relatively inferior engine, "complex" coding is necessary to pull it off. I wonder, with as much visual improvement as that coming Crysis game purports, if they will have issues...is a 64 bit system a saving grace in improved funtionality? That engine, from what I have seen and read, is pretty impressive. But, how will it actually do when fully put to the test?

2006-08-08 22:41:06

#23

Chou: Member; +737|7067

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Choumichel wrote:
BF2 should have stayed in Sweden
You don't mean that.

Sweden made the game, Canada is fixing, you don't bring a Porsche for repairs to a Volkswagen dealer and expect it to run perfect, eh?

2006-08-08 22:47:08

#24

Storgie: how about this thread for whiners; +15|6851|federal way washington

most and i mean really most of the bugs are people who have no idea how to play honestly and seek out every cheat and crack they can, that is bad enough but then they publish it, i mean how stupid is that now others take advantage of it and of course their advantage goes down, cha idiots.

2006-08-09 01:26:10

#25

ericcartmanisbest: Member; +24|6816|GREAT Britain

knightnufer wrote:
Can't blame em. Although yes, there are alot of bugs. But doesn't every game have bugs?

Yes they do, but i challenge you to find a game as buggy as Battlefield 2......

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MECtallica wrote:

knightnufer wrote:

Pyrri wrote:

Choumichel wrote:

High Spirit wrote:

Pyrri wrote:

knightnufer wrote:

XxsilentjayexX wrote:

High Spirit wrote:

Pyrri wrote:

ReTox wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Choumichel wrote:

knightnufer wrote:

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