*found myself telling the same thing twise*80% civilians, 15% wildlife and livestock, 3% enemies and 2% miss
look my post where i say what i found naive!!!
No!A deliberate one?
look my post where i say what i found naive!!!
What Israel is doing is a damn straight genocide.
Hezbollah, that Israelis say they're fighting is not only a military/terrorist organization. It is a political organization, supported by the greater part of Lebanon poputalion, namely the Shiites.
So to fight Hezbollah, they have to fight the greater part of Lebanon's population. The civillians. And that's just what the assholes do.
It pisses me off how they drop leaflets telling the civillians to GTFO of their houses, as their location is suspected to have terrorists and is about to be bombed to ground. Who the fuck are they to tell the people of an independent country what to do, especially if they are civillians who did nothing wrong?
I hate it when they say in the news: "Israel did the bombings, 30 civillians dead, 2 terrorists destroyed."<--What the fuck is that? Why doesn't Israel use only their well-trained special forces to combat terrorists? Why do they bomb civillians, living quarters? Are thet afraid to have high personell casualties?
But they don't give a shit about the civillian people of the neighbouring country dieing under their bombs.
That's why they are worse than terrorists. They are performing genocide.
Hezbollah, that Israelis say they're fighting is not only a military/terrorist organization. It is a political organization, supported by the greater part of Lebanon poputalion, namely the Shiites.
So to fight Hezbollah, they have to fight the greater part of Lebanon's population. The civillians. And that's just what the assholes do.
It pisses me off how they drop leaflets telling the civillians to GTFO of their houses, as their location is suspected to have terrorists and is about to be bombed to ground. Who the fuck are they to tell the people of an independent country what to do, especially if they are civillians who did nothing wrong?
I hate it when they say in the news: "Israel did the bombings, 30 civillians dead, 2 terrorists destroyed."<--What the fuck is that? Why doesn't Israel use only their well-trained special forces to combat terrorists? Why do they bomb civillians, living quarters? Are thet afraid to have high personell casualties?
But they don't give a shit about the civillian people of the neighbouring country dieing under their bombs.
That's why they are worse than terrorists. They are performing genocide.
It would be worse, because although americans can be full of themselves and bush is an idiot they at least try and take a humanitarian approach. They could have crushed Iraq completely and to hell with civilian casualties, but they didn't. I cant see any of the Arab countries being as nice.Bubbalo wrote:
Let me clarify: From a nuetral standpoint (that is, not from our perspective) would it be worse than what we have now? How?
14 civilian casualties today alone.Wasder wrote:
What Israel is doing is a damn straight genocide.
Hezbollah, that Israelis say they're fighting is not only a military/terrorist organization. It is a political organization, supported by the greater part of Lebanon poputalion, namely the Shiites.
So to fight Hezbollah, they have to fight the greater part of Lebanon's population. The civillians. And that's just what the assholes do.
It pisses me off how they drop leaflets telling the civillians to GTFO of their houses, as their location is suspected to have terrorists and is about to be bombed to ground. Who the fuck are they to tell the people of an independent country what to do, especially if they are civillians who did nothing wrong?
I hate it when they say in the news: "Israel did the bombings, 30 civillians dead, 2 terrorists destroyed."<--What the fuck is that? Why doesn't Israel use only their well-trained special forces to combat terrorists? Why do they bomb civillians, living quarters? Are thet afraid to have high personell casualties?
But they don't give a shit about the civillian people of the neighbouring country dieing under their bombs.
That's why they are worse than terrorists. They are performing genocide.
I need around tree fiddy.
look at yourself till u judge someone! look what have your army did in chechnia! lebanon its 5 time worst then chechnia!Wasder wrote:
What Israel is doing is a damn straight genocide.
Hezbollah, that Israelis say they're fighting is not only a military/terrorist organization. It is a political organization, supported by the greater part of Lebanon poputalion, namely the Shiites.
So to fight Hezbollah, they have to fight the greater part of Lebanon's population. The civillians. And that's just what the assholes do.
It pisses me off how they drop leaflets telling the civillians to GTFO of their houses, as their location is suspected to have terrorists and is about to be bombed to ground. Who the fuck are they to tell the people of an independent country what to do, especially if they are civillians who did nothing wrong?
I hate it when they say in the news: "Israel did the bombings, 30 civillians dead, 2 terrorists destroyed."<--What the fuck is that? Why doesn't Israel use only their well-trained special forces to combat terrorists? Why do they bomb civillians, living quarters? Are thet afraid to have high personell casualties?
But they don't give a shit about the civillian people of the neighbouring country dieing under their bombs.
That's why they are worse than terrorists. They are performing genocide.
But why the hell would Israel want to bomb Un peacekeepers, especially with the international backlash? It doesnt make senseDonFck wrote:
peacekeeper:
a member of a military force that is assigned (often with
international sanction) to preserve peace in a trouble
area.
However, this preservation of peace fails when sides are determined to destroy one another.A deliberate one?Lisik wrote:
victim of war
Let's for a moment imagine ourselves in a hypothetical situation where some impartial people become killed by an airstrike followed by artillery and no actual enemies are killed. Let's also imagine the hypothetical scenario where bombardments seem to kill 80% civilians, 15% wildlife and livestock, 3% enemies and 2% miss. Casualties of war, you say?
Oh wait.. ..that really happened!
But hey, this is just the opinion I've formed by listening/watching from what I can tell, impartial news.
It really doesn't.. Still, how does a country with one of the worlds finest and most accurate military intelligence commit a fuckup of that magnitude. They don't, do they?choongy wrote:
But why the hell would Israel want to bomb Un peacekeepers, especially with the international backlash? It doesnt make sense
Somehow just a simple "oops" doesn't quite cut it.
I need around tree fiddy.
Im not sure if the number of civilian deaths = genocide. yet. And if the greter part of Lebanon's population support Hezbolla, then the bastards deserve to get what's coming. IM not sure i believe this talk of how Lebanese civilians are completely innocent, im sure they hate Israel just as much as Hezbollah. I'd like to know how Hezbollah became so powerful in the first place, they'd needed the support of the public right?Wasder wrote:
What Israel is doing is a damn straight genocide.
Hezbollah, that Israelis say they're fighting is not only a military/terrorist organization. It is a political organization, supported by the greater part of Lebanon poputalion, namely the Shiites.
So to fight Hezbollah, they have to fight the greater part of Lebanon's population. The civillians. And that's just what the assholes do.
It pisses me off how they drop leaflets telling the civillians to GTFO of their houses, as their location is suspected to have terrorists and is about to be bombed to ground. Who the fuck are they to tell the people of an independent country what to do, especially if they are civillians who did nothing wrong?
I hate it when they say in the news: "Israel did the bombings, 30 civillians dead, 2 terrorists destroyed."<--What the fuck is that? Why doesn't Israel use only their well-trained special forces to combat terrorists? Why do they bomb civillians, living quarters? Are thet afraid to have high personell casualties?
But they don't give a shit about the civillian people of the neighbouring country dieing under their bombs.
That's why they are worse than terrorists. They are performing genocide.
Even in the modern warfare mistakes are still made, so it could be simply "oops", though i agree it's unlikely. Maybe those sneaky Hezbolla's set up rockets near the compound, i dunno. I also agree with the idea of using spec forces to take out the terrorists, i cant see why it wouldnt work.DonFck wrote:
It really doesn't.. Still, how does a country with one of the worlds finest and most accurate military intelligence commit a fuckup of that magnitude. They don't, do they?choongy wrote:
But why the hell would Israel want to bomb Un peacekeepers, especially with the international backlash? It doesnt make sense
Somehow just a simple "oops" doesn't quite cut it.
1. Are you the US? No? Then Israel doesn't care what you think.choongy wrote:
But why the hell would Israel want to bomb Un peacekeepers, especially with the international backlash? It doesnt make sense
2. Are you the UN? Yes? Then Israel really doesn't care what you think.
3. Lots of UN casualties = contributing countries reluctant to provide personnel to future UN missions in the area.
I don't get it.danUK wrote:
OMG
Some of you arrogant yanks really need to wake up....
Do you really think that any of the action that your country supports or carrys out in the Middle East has anything to do with 'Terrorism'.
Your countrys sole reason for meddling there is that thick, black stuff that comes from the ground - yes well done, OIL + FUTURE CONTROL OF IT
Every government always has a true motive and a good excuse for these actions, with the UK being no exception - why do you think we have just commited so many troops to Afghansitan? No nothing to do with the Taliban or 'Terrorism' but it could, maybe, possibly to do with the fact that 90% of Heroin entering the UK comes from Afghanistan and the smack trade here is getting out of control.
And don't give me your 'be a man, you're a pussy' bullshit, I served in the British Army and we have spent the last 40 years fighting 'Terrorism' in Northern Ireland (and how can we blame them as we cut their country in two) - which coincidentally most of the IRA's cash + weapons came from you....
Lebanon has nothing to do with oil. The only thing they have to do with oil is the fact that about a million tons of it has fucked their beaches and their main industry.
Hezbollah has nothing to do with oil - they're more like, say, Hamas. A islamic (bbut not fundementalist) group that has a military wing and a political wing. Both are very powerful and influential in Lebanon.
So how many casualties HAVE there been? Not quite sure.
So... worst case Lebanese civilian:Hezbollah dead ration is... about 16:1. That's not good - but its worst case so its unlikely.
Best case (for IDF) is about... 5:4. Still not too flash - but BEST case so also unlikely.
MIDDLE case - most likely outcome - 670 civilians dead to 225 militants. That's a ratio of 3:1. Not good at all.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Hezbollah = 11% of all the seats in the Lebanese parliament. Of course, they'll probably do better in the next round of elections, because Israel is making them seem like "heroes".choongy wrote:
Im not sure if the number of civilian deaths = genocide. yet. And if the greter part of Lebanon's population support Hezbolla, then the bastards deserve to get what's coming. IM not sure i believe this talk of how Lebanese civilians are completely innocent, im sure they hate Israel just as much as Hezbollah. I'd like to know how Hezbollah became so powerful in the first place, they'd needed the support of the public right?
According to the BBC, in Beirut...
Source:BBC wrote:
...
Many Lebanese readily agree that Hezbollah gravely miscalculated when they captured those two Israeli soldiers on 12 July - but now they go on to say: "We were never Hezbollah. But we are all Hezbollah now. The Israeli response is completely unjustified."
I have met some who curse Hezbollah, and who say the Israeli bombardment is understandable. Some, but not many.
And I don't think "But we are all Hezbollah now" is just talk. The more Israel destroys, the more supporters Hezbollah will be able to recruit.
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5248500.stm
I dont think that would make countries more reluctant, it would just make them more pissed and result in a bigger peackeeper force.spastic bullet wrote:
1. Are you the US? No? Then Israel doesn't care what you think.choongy wrote:
But why the hell would Israel want to bomb Un peacekeepers, especially with the international backlash? It doesnt make sense
2. Are you the UN? Yes? Then Israel really doesn't care what you think.
3. Lots of UN casualties = contributing countries reluctant to provide personnel to future UN missions in the area.
lol
watch the k\d ratio of millitans\civilians in fight for berlin! u will be surpriced!
watch the k\d ratio of millitans\civilians in fight for berlin! u will be surpriced!
You wouldn't mind posting a link so we can check it out?Lisik wrote:
lol
watch the k\d ratio of millitans\civilians in fight for berlin! u will be surpriced!
I would be extremely grateful if your posts had a bit more content. This content I'm referring to could be the beforementioned links (sources), argumentations, facts (and sources of those).
At this point you're only posting short comments and hoping that these would by some magical and weirding way change our views on things and start justifying the entity of "incidents" in the eastern region of the Mediterranean. It ain't that kind of a party.
I know, I also post short and unfounded comments every now and again, but not in that magnitude.
I for one, am ready to see some actual factual material that could work as a "foundation" for your posts.
Thank you.
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I need around tree fiddy.
Oh, yes, because places like Somalia and Sudan have showed us how countries love to jump into hot zones.choongy wrote:
I dont think that would make countries more reluctant, it would just make them more pissed and result in a bigger peackeeper force.
The bombings in Beirut are stupid, agreed, but SOMEONE had to support Hezbollah for them to get into Parliament, most likely people in the south. And i didnt mean the whole public has to support Hezbollah, but i stand by what i said about those supporting Hezbollah.spastic bullet wrote:
Hezbollah = 11% of all the seats in the Lebanese parliament. Of course, they'll probably do better in the next round of elections, because Israel is making them seem like "heroes".choongy wrote:
Im not sure if the number of civilian deaths = genocide. yet. And if the greter part of Lebanon's population support Hezbolla, then the bastards deserve to get what's coming. IM not sure i believe this talk of how Lebanese civilians are completely innocent, im sure they hate Israel just as much as Hezbollah. I'd like to know how Hezbollah became so powerful in the first place, they'd needed the support of the public right?
According to the BBC, in Beirut...Source:BBC wrote:
...
Many Lebanese readily agree that Hezbollah gravely miscalculated when they captured those two Israeli soldiers on 12 July - but now they go on to say: "We were never Hezbollah. But we are all Hezbollah now. The Israeli response is completely unjustified."
I have met some who curse Hezbollah, and who say the Israeli bombardment is understandable. Some, but not many.
And I don't think "But we are all Hezbollah now" is just talk. The more Israel destroys, the more supporters Hezbollah will be able to recruit.
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5248500.stm
Well the UN seems pretty fired up about a peacekepping force right nowBubbalo wrote:
Oh, yes, because places like Somalia and Sudan have showed us how countries love to jump into hot zones.choongy wrote:
I dont think that would make countries more reluctant, it would just make them more pissed and result in a bigger peackeeper force.
It is true Britain's "night area bombing" resulted in the destruction of Hamburg, Cologne and Dresden. More than one million tonnes of explosives were dropped on German towns and villages, resulting in the death of 635,000 people.
This was not Britain's finest hour.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag … pageid=832
SO... It is not Israeli finest hour.
This was not Britain's finest hour.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag … pageid=832
SO... It is not Israeli finest hour.
It is good to see that you're admitting it.Lisik wrote:
This was not Britain's finest hour.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag … pageid=832
SO... It is not Israeli finest hour.
Last edited by DonFck (2006-08-07 05:26:04)
I need around tree fiddy.
Umm, there is NO OIL in Israel or Lebanon...danUK wrote:
OMG
Some of you arrogant yanks really need to wake up....
Do you really think that any of the action that your country supports or carrys out in the Middle East has anything to do with 'Terrorism'.
Your countrys sole reason for meddling there is that thick, black stuff that comes from the ground - yes well done, OIL + FUTURE CONTROL OF IT
Every government always has a true motive and a good excuse for these actions, with the UK being no exception - why do you think we have just commited so many troops to Afghansitan? No nothing to do with the Taliban or 'Terrorism' but it could, maybe, possibly to do with the fact that 90% of Heroin entering the UK comes from Afghanistan and the smack trade here is getting out of control.
And don't give me your 'be a man, you're a pussy' bullshit, I served in the British Army and we have spent the last 40 years fighting 'Terrorism' in Northern Ireland (and how can we blame them as we cut their country in two) - which coincidentally most of the IRA's cash + weapons came from you....
Murder to hide the truth...no witnesses means the world can't witness genocide.DonFck wrote:
And when a 50 ton bomb lands on a bunker with UN peace keepers it's..?Lisik wrote:
..coz when 50ton bomb fals on bunker were hezbollah made a conference, and in news they say 1 terrorist and 25 civilians - its naive!
i think its not a secret that israeli not enjoing killing civilians! but when question comes to "kill or be killed" ....DonFck wrote:
It is good to see that you're admitting it.Lisik wrote:
This was not Britain's finest hour.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag … pageid=832
SO... It is not Israeli finest hour.
Except that at the moment it's "Kill and be killed"
It's not Israeli finest hour but I am sure that they are able to avoid civilian deaths, I thought that the IDF intelligence was the best.Lisik wrote:
It is true Britain's "night area bombing" resulted in the destruction of Hamburg, Cologne and Dresden. More than one million tonnes of explosives were dropped on German towns and villages, resulting in the death of 635,000 people.
This was not Britain's finest hour.
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pag … pageid=832
SO... It is not Israeli finest hour.
The IDF says that they have destroyed 2/3 of the rockets but the attacks agains Israel are pursuing so we can see that the tactic used is clearly not working, unless the death of lots of civilians and the destruction of civilian buildings is considered as a sucess from the Israeli side.....