jonsimon
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King_County_Downy wrote:

one_of_ten wrote:

Canin wrote:

I have a question. Everyone keeps talking about Lebanese civilian casualties, and how the Israeli Army is targeting civilians with arty and air strikes rather than using ground troops in conventional style warfare, but has anyone actually seen a Hezbollah Military uniform???? I've searched for some time, and I just cant seem to find a picture of one. So I am curious how the Israeli Army is supposed to differentiate between the civilians and Hezbollah when the are apparently dressed the same and the Hezbollah are using civilian areas as bases of operations????
You're right about the uniform but they should try to avoid civilian deaths by any means unless they make south Lebanon a free fire zone and blow up everything that moves.

And what about the patriot anti-missile thing, does it work ???
And just for argument sake, why shouldn't Israel, (or any other nation for that matter), target civilians? Hezbollah does... as well as all the other terrorist organizations. Why does "the civilized world" have to have it's hands tied behind their backs when there are no rules, only Allah's virgins, for the militants. And you all of these people try to defend these actions. If we could open our can of whoop-ass, we'd pwn anyone, anywhere. It'd be game over for the arab nations.

And yeah, I bet the patriots work pretty good.
Because we are no longer in the age of wars. Decimating people never gained us anything, and it wont start helping now. Maybe they should target you, wherever you are, and wipe a cruel bastard off the face of this earth.

As for the patriots, everyone seems to overlook the fact that the US has been providing Israel with the firepower to SHOOT DOWN ROCKETS for years now. But they neglect to use it.
Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6719|Foothills of S. Carolina

one_of_ten wrote:

Canin wrote:

I have a question. Everyone keeps talking about Lebanese civilian casualties, and how the Israeli Army is targeting civilians with arty and air strikes rather than using ground troops in conventional style warfare, but has anyone actually seen a Hezbollah Military uniform???? I've searched for some time, and I just cant seem to find a picture of one. So I am curious how the Israeli Army is supposed to differentiate between the civilians and Hezbollah when the are apparently dressed the same and the Hezbollah are using civilian areas as bases of operations????
You're right about the uniform but they should try to avoid civilian deaths by any means unless they make south Lebanon a free fire zone and blow up everything that moves.

    And what about the patriot anti-missile thing, does it work ???
How in blue blazes do you avoid civilian deaths when your enemy combatant is dressed like them, smells like them and probably even soils thier pants like the civilians when they hear an airstrike headed thier way??

Oh, wait, I know, the U.N.  could send over a bunch of blue paint and ask all the hezzies to pour a bucket of it on themselves so they will stand out. FFS people, you cant honestly believe that there have been over 700 civilian lebonese deaths and not one of them was a member of hezbollah can you? Can you, really?


jonsimon wrote:

Because we are no longer in the age of wars. Decimating people never gained us anything, and it wont start helping now. Maybe they should target you, wherever you are, and wipe a cruel bastard off the face of this earth.
Thats right, the age of war is over, now we have progressed into the age of cowardly terrorist insurgent attacks. I dont know about you, but I think the old age of war was much more gentleman like than this new age you are touting. And as for wishing they would target King_County_Downy, just remember that unless you believe what they believe, they will target you when they are done with him.....

Last edited by Canin (2006-08-07 20:28:29)

SealXo
Member
+309|6780
fuck you its war
T0rr3nt
Member
+54|6821|Michigan

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

Flecco wrote:

We should stop pussyfooting around with terrorist harboring countries eh? Well, almost every country on earth harbors terrorists. Weather they know it or not...
How often do you see France launching Qassam rockets into Germany?
all the time.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6793|Southeastern USA
actually the problem is the fact that

A) they are extremely short ranged attacks, by the time the screens light up the rocket is practically at it's destination
B) the patriots were designed to hit attack missiles, not bottle rockets, it seems these iranian rockets have even worse guidance systems than the SCUDs did, which actually worked to the SCUDs advantage, their flight path was so erratic that the patriots had a hard time plotting an effective intercept course, kinda like trying to dogfight someone with bad lag on Wake2007
Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6719|Foothills of S. Carolina

Man, take a few moments to write something and the conversation moves on without you.....
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6890

jonsimon wrote:

Because we are no longer in the age of wars. Decimating people never gained us anything, and it wont start helping now. Maybe they should target you, wherever you are, and wipe a cruel bastard off the face of this earth.

As for the patriots, everyone seems to overlook the fact that the US has been providing Israel with the firepower to SHOOT DOWN ROCKETS for years now. But they neglect to use it.
The Patriot Missile System is designed to counter larger ballistic missiles such as Scuds and ICBMs. Hezbollah uses small homemade Qassam rockets. That aside, Isreal's anti-missile capability is irrelevent in this debate because it doesn't change a thing. Having the ability to shoot down those rockets doesn't make Isreal any less justified to invade Lebanon.

Also, we will be "no longer in the age of wars" when Fascism, terrorism, and all of those fanatics living by antiquated customs no longer exist. If you hippies had your way we would all be speaking German today.

Do some research and learn some history before you post.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-08-07 20:46:01)

rawls
Banned
+11|7059|California, USA

HM1{N} wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:


Actually, Israel started indiscriminately with bombs and artillery, THEN Hezbollah started lobbing rockets.
sry, try again. Hezbollah started the shit. Isreal and the rest of the world will end it.
Kidnapping 2 soldiers does not justify killing 700+ civilians with glee...or do I need to post pictures of Israeli soldiers "trophy posing" with their kills?
Get some Japanese pictures from their war with China. The ones were the Japs cut the dicks of dead Chinese and stick them in the corpses' mouth. Thats a real trophy picture.
Mr.Pieeater
Member
+116|6868|Cherry Pie
Hey listen you ignorant piece of crap.  They are blocking Hezbolah from getting fuel and other supplies from Syria and Iran.   THEY were attacked in the first place by a country that harbor terrorists and THEY are fighting the war the way it should be faught.  You are a moron if you think that the people of Lebonan don't support Hezbolah, it is all part of their society and they want everyone is Isreal to die.  How can you say that is a good thing and hate Isreal???  And don't read anything on CNN, they are a bunch of Liberal assholes who don't report honestly.  Good day.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7000|United States of America

rawls wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:


sry, try again. Hezbollah started the shit. Isreal and the rest of the world will end it.
Kidnapping 2 soldiers does not justify killing 700+ civilians with glee...or do I need to post pictures of Israeli soldiers "trophy posing" with their kills?
Get some Japanese pictures from their war with China. The ones were the Japs cut the dicks of dead Chinese and stick them in the corpses' mouth. Thats a real trophy picture.
Go watch an Alquada (sp?) video, do you think that they don't enjoy what they did to US troops? Civilians? Get a brain here, the Islamic bible specifically states to kill infidels (any people who do not convert to Islam).  Their god isn't one of peace and wanting balance like the Jewish want and believe in, but Allah is a god that wants everyone to die.  These people enjoy the killing of infidels.  We have to strike back in order to survive, kill, or be killed.
siciliano732
Member
+202|6893|New York
i side with Israel 100%....blow those fuckin terrorist bastards apart....its war, war is never pretty....

you tree huggin liberals need to take those balls you hid in your closet out, dust them off, and put them back where they belong....what if this was your country being attacked everyday.....you all take it for granted this amazingly blessed country we live in....its sad to sit back and watch....

Last edited by siciliano732 (2006-08-07 22:49:05)

--->[Your]Phobia<---
Member
+35|7000|UK - England

HM1{N} wrote:

--->[Your]Phobia<--- wrote:

There is also evidence that suggests they (Israel) are using chemical warfare
Can you provide that evidence?

Yes I can here you go, Its
GRAPHIC, so please if you have doubts don't click the link....
CyrusTheVirus
E PLURIBUS UNUM
+36|6717|United States of America

siciliano732 wrote:

i side with Israel 100%....blow those fuckin terrorist bastards apart....its war, war is never pretty....

you tree huggin liberals need to take those balls you hid in your closet out, dust them off, and put them back where they belong....what if this was your country being attacked everyday.....you all take it for granted this amazingly blessed country we live in....its sad to sit back and watch....
QFE
Sondernkommando
Member
+22|6960

jonsimon wrote:

Okay, let me get this straight, you think an outnumbered group of middle easter states that do not always agree are defeating North America and the whole of Europe? Almost all the nations on both those continents are "free" nations.

The UN is in no way biased against Israel, if anything, it is biased towards them.
I don't say "defeating"; I say "overruling", as means to explain HMN1's list of 50 UN resolutions condemning Israel.  These were being cited to show how "world opinion" is against Israel.

Plus, "free nation" does not mean unoccupied; it means holding democratic elections and subject to rule of law.  That is why it is so laughable that Syria, Iran, Egypt, China, Sudan have ANYTHING to say, when they are theocracies or autocracies.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6793|Southeastern USA
we've seen those links repeatedly, it's called fire, it burns stuff, it's not a chemical
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6888|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

Sondernkommando wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Okay, let me get this straight, you think an outnumbered group of middle easter states that do not always agree are defeating North America and the whole of Europe? Almost all the nations on both those continents are "free" nations.

The UN is in no way biased against Israel, if anything, it is biased towards them.
I don't say "defeating"; I say "overruling", as means to explain HMN1's list of 50 UN resolutions condemning Israel.  These were being cited to show how "world opinion" is against Israel.

Plus, "free nation" does not mean unoccupied; it means holding democratic elections and subject to rule of law.  That is why it is so laughable that Syria, Iran, Egypt, China, Sudan have ANYTHING to say, when they are theocracies or autocracies.
Ummm, no that's not why they were being cited: they were being cited to show Israels blatant disregard for any human life that isn't Israeli Jew.
CyrusTheVirus
E PLURIBUS UNUM
+36|6717|United States of America

HM1{N} wrote:

Sondernkommando wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Okay, let me get this straight, you think an outnumbered group of middle easter states that do not always agree are defeating North America and the whole of Europe? Almost all the nations on both those continents are "free" nations.

The UN is in no way biased against Israel, if anything, it is biased towards them.
I don't say "defeating"; I say "overruling", as means to explain HMN1's list of 50 UN resolutions condemning Israel.  These were being cited to show how "world opinion" is against Israel.

Plus, "free nation" does not mean unoccupied; it means holding democratic elections and subject to rule of law.  That is why it is so laughable that Syria, Iran, Egypt, China, Sudan have ANYTHING to say, when they are theocracies or autocracies.
Ummm, no that's not why they were being cited: they were being cited to show Israels blatant disregard for any human life that isn't Israeli Jew.
Are you suggesting they put others lives ahead of their own when their own are being threatened? Get a dose of  reality man. It's soft stances like that which will bring an end to Israel. I'm glad Israelis ruthlessly defend their homeland - it seems everyone bar the US wants to see it and all of its inhabitants dead. The anti-semitism on this forum is ridiculous.

Last edited by CyrusTheVirus (2006-08-08 12:19:44)

Jainus
Member
+30|6820|Herts, UK

--->[Your]Phobia<--- wrote:

Yes I can here you go, Its[/color] GRAPHIC, so please if you have doubts don't click the link....
That doesn't actually say what weapons caused the bodies to blacken like that. To me, that looks like flash burns but i'm not an expert on the subject. Either way, thats not proof that they are using anything other than conventional weapons. The guy writting doesn't even say that they are chemical weapons, only asking us what could cause that kind of damage
Jainus
Member
+30|6820|Herts, UK

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

The anti-semitism on this forum is ridiculous.
Haven't we covered this on another thread?
HM1{N}
Member
+86|6888|East Coast via Los Angeles, CA

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

Sondernkommando wrote:

I don't say "defeating"; I say "overruling", as means to explain HMN1's list of 50 UN resolutions condemning Israel.  These were being cited to show how "world opinion" is against Israel.

Plus, "free nation" does not mean unoccupied; it means holding democratic elections and subject to rule of law.  That is why it is so laughable that Syria, Iran, Egypt, China, Sudan have ANYTHING to say, when they are theocracies or autocracies.
Ummm, no that's not why they were being cited: they were being cited to show Israels blatant disregard for any human life that isn't Israeli Jew.
Are you suggesting they put others lives ahead of their own when their own are being threatened? Get a dose of  reality man. It's soft stances like that which will bring an end to Israel. I'm glad Israelis ruthlessly defend their homeland - it seems everyone bar the US wants to see it and all of its inhabitants dead. The anti-semitism on this forum is ridiculous.
LOL.  Nothing I have ever said is anti-semitic, but if it is, then I equally hate Arabs, Muslims, Jews, etc...since they all fall under the term "anti-semitic".

I'm totally against Israel as a state, and I am totally against Israel's policies.

NOTE:  My Jewish ex has been laughing her ass off at all of you who label me anti-semitic, you couldn't be further from the truth.  I also don't condone a lot of what the U.S. does, does that make me anti-american?  ME, a 7 year military veteran?  I don't think so.

Come up with some valid arguments instead of just throwing insults around.  You might make people believe you can actually think for yourself if you do...

Here's an english lesson for y'all:

Main Entry: Sem·ite
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, especially British 'sE-"mIt
Function: noun
Etymology: French sémite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language

Last edited by HM1{N} (2006-08-08 12:50:19)

jonsimon
Member
+224|6739
No way HM, he wouldn't want people to think THAT would he?

And about the chemical weapons, the proof they are not burns from typical flames is the intact hair. While a normal fire would burn all the hair off, chemical weapons like white phosphorus (napalm) do not incinerate hairs.
CyrusTheVirus
E PLURIBUS UNUM
+36|6717|United States of America

HM1{N} wrote:

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:


Ummm, no that's not why they were being cited: they were being cited to show Israels blatant disregard for any human life that isn't Israeli Jew.
Are you suggesting they put others lives ahead of their own when their own are being threatened? Get a dose of  reality man. It's soft stances like that which will bring an end to Israel. I'm glad Israelis ruthlessly defend their homeland - it seems everyone bar the US wants to see it and all of its inhabitants dead. The anti-semitism on this forum is ridiculous.
LOL.  Nothing I have ever said is anti-semitic, but if it is, then I equally hate Arabs, Muslims, Jews, etc...since they all fall under the term "anti-semitic".

I'm totally against Israel as a state, and I am totally against Israel's policies.

NOTE:  My Jewish ex has been laughing her ass off at all of you who label me anti-semitic, you couldn't be further from the truth.  I also don't condone a lot of what the U.S. does, does that make me anti-american?  ME, a 7 year military veteran?  I don't think so.

Come up with some valid arguments instead of just throwing insults around.  You might make people believe you can actually think for yourself if you do...

Here's an english lesson for y'all:

Main Entry: Sem·ite
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, especially British 'sE-"mIt
Function: noun
Etymology: French sémite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
Don't give me the semantics bullshit. In modern language an anti-semite might as well be someone who is anti-Israel. That's my view anyway. Criticise Israel all you want but guess what? They don't give a flying fuck what you think and neither do the administration of this great country in which I live. That sacred patch of ground in the middle east is all they've got and they, let's not forget, are protecting our christian holy sites from the hordes of militant islam.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6739

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

CyrusTheVirus wrote:


Are you suggesting they put others lives ahead of their own when their own are being threatened? Get a dose of  reality man. It's soft stances like that which will bring an end to Israel. I'm glad Israelis ruthlessly defend their homeland - it seems everyone bar the US wants to see it and all of its inhabitants dead. The anti-semitism on this forum is ridiculous.
LOL.  Nothing I have ever said is anti-semitic, but if it is, then I equally hate Arabs, Muslims, Jews, etc...since they all fall under the term "anti-semitic".

I'm totally against Israel as a state, and I am totally against Israel's policies.

NOTE:  My Jewish ex has been laughing her ass off at all of you who label me anti-semitic, you couldn't be further from the truth.  I also don't condone a lot of what the U.S. does, does that make me anti-american?  ME, a 7 year military veteran?  I don't think so.

Come up with some valid arguments instead of just throwing insults around.  You might make people believe you can actually think for yourself if you do...

Here's an english lesson for y'all:

Main Entry: Sem·ite
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, especially British 'sE-"mIt
Function: noun
Etymology: French sémite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
Don't give me the semantics bullshit. In modern language an anti-semite might as well be someone who is anti-Israel. That's my view anyway. Criticise Israel all you want but guess what? They don't give a flying fuck what you think and neither do the administration of this great country in which I live. That sacred patch of ground in the middle east is all they've got and they, let's not forget, are protecting our christian holy sites from the hordes of militant islam.
Riiiiight. What are you smoking? Can I get some?

Anti semite does not now, and has never, and should never, mean anti-Israel. Israel is not the only semite state. And sorry to break it to you, but the administration doesn't care what you think either, they're happy so long as you let them pull the wool over your eyes.

Who cares about holy sites? America is not christian, and Israel doesn't care one lick about the US. I'm sure they'd like as much as anyone to see us removed from power, heck, they're probably the ones plotting to take our place as the next superpower.
EVieira
Member
+105|6722|Lutenblaag, Molvania

HM1{N} wrote:

CyrusTheVirus wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:


Ummm, no that's not why they were being cited: they were being cited to show Israels blatant disregard for any human life that isn't Israeli Jew.
Are you suggesting they put others lives ahead of their own when their own are being threatened? Get a dose of  reality man. It's soft stances like that which will bring an end to Israel. I'm glad Israelis ruthlessly defend their homeland - it seems everyone bar the US wants to see it and all of its inhabitants dead. The anti-semitism on this forum is ridiculous.
LOL.  Nothing I have ever said is anti-semitic, but if it is, then I equally hate Arabs, Muslims, Jews, etc...since they all fall under the term "anti-semitic".

I'm totally against Israel as a state, and I am totally against Israel's policies.

NOTE:  My Jewish ex has been laughing her ass off at all of you who label me anti-semitic, you couldn't be further from the truth.  I also don't condone a lot of what the U.S. does, does that make me anti-american?  ME, a 7 year military veteran?  I don't think so.

Come up with some valid arguments instead of just throwing insults around.  You might make people believe you can actually think for yourself if you do...

Here's an english lesson for y'all:

Main Entry: Sem·ite
Pronunciation: 'se-"mIt, especially British 'sE-"mIt
Function: noun
Etymology: French sémite, from Semitic Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek SEm, from Hebrew ShEm
1 a : a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b : a descendant of these peoples
2 : a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language
QFE

That was a damn fine post. And you have my respect as a veteran, I believe anyone who serves for their homeland, be them Israeli, Brazillian, American or whatever, deserves respect.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
Jainus
Member
+30|6820|Herts, UK

jonsimon wrote:

And about the chemical weapons, the proof they are not burns from typical flames is the intact hair. While a normal fire would burn all the hair off, chemical weapons like white phosphorus (napalm) do not incinerate hairs.
Incorrect. Whilst you're right that normal fire will burn the hair, flash burns are exactly what it sounds like; a incredible burst of heat that will char the skin but still could hair intact depending on which way the victim is facing in relation to the heat source.

Flash burns like this would be caused by close proximity to a bomb blast, or missile detonation. Either way, the link and the picture do not provide any conclusive proof that the burns are from chemical weapons. What i would like to see is a medical test on those bodies to see what chemicals were left on the burnt skin and in what quantities.

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