BF2S Forums support for the terrorists????????!!!!!!

lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/04/iraq.main/index.html


I find this quite disturbing and this support goes against all the efforts to bring peace and stability to Iraq. This now proves to me that Iraq is a waste of time.

I say it is time to leave the ME with a warning, "Kill yourselves all you want, but the second you screw with the west you are dead".

I actually agree with you there Lowing. My view has always been that the west should stay the fuck out of others affairs but if they try anything organised, concerted and popularly supported against the west (I don't include Israel as a member of 'the west' btw) then we retaliate in kind.

I do find it suprising however that the news story you posted is shocking to you. Do they normally filter the 'bad' stuff - the actualities on the ground - out of US news or something? Do you think that US invasion forces are gonna make arabs forget the plight of the Palestinians? I don't think so somehow.

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lowing wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/04/iraq.main/index.html


I find this quite disturbing and this support goes against all the efforts to bring peace and stability to Iraq. This now proves to me that Iraq is a waste of time.

I say it is time to leave the ME with a warning, "Kill yourselves all you want, but the second you screw with the west you are dead".

Agreed

but "the second you screw with the west" statement what was 9/11 (screwing with the west me thinks), is that not why GWB went to afgan + Iraq leading us to where we are now, and your saying leave them to it, did we not (kind of) start this unrest in the ME (with exception to Israel + Palestine)

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its all beliefs and what those people are brought up to believe, now they believe because we are on their holy land.  We are then the Insurgents.  And apparently nothing hurts muslim land more terribly than a military boot.  They wanna preach about their "bible" talking about muslim holy lands and peace...yet they cant stop bombing the unholy jesus out of eachother.  I am all for this finish what we started biz, but the minute it leads to civil war, we pull back, let em duke it out, and whoever survives, show em how to run the show.  But thats just my take on things....

JahManRed wrote:

Have you ever stopped to consider why they hate us from west? Its always "they hate us so we should blow the shit out of them."  But never, "why does a whole region made up of 10s of millions of ppl spanning many countries hate America and Britain?"

Because we're mostly white and non-muslim. And I don't want to blow them up, it's their fanatical movements that are chomping at the bit for a showdown.

We blow them up, I might never get a chance to hook up with a middle eastern chick. I can't take that chance.

To all who posted.

No I know the majority of the ME feels this way, however it is a little disconcerting that the Iraqis whom we are there trying to help recover from a violent regime would protest in favor of this terrorist group. I mean, ok, ya don't like Israel, but to actually support terrorism??!!

You are also correct the 911 bombings count as "screwing with the west" however, we took care of the taliban and let the terrorists know, as well as the hostile ME govts. that, from now on the gloves will be off.

I think we can agree to stay out of the ME, if they agree to leave Israel alone and stop the terror around the world. It is a pipe dream though and will never materialize.

All in all, this article just makes me realize there is no hope for peace in the ME and I will have to be content for peace for the rest of us.

As far as starting the problems with the creation of Israel, it is time to understand these people have been the most persecuted people in the history of the world. They need a place to settle and live in peace. They have as much right to exist in the ME as the Muslims do. But now I am leaning toward staying out of it and let Israel do its thing, (of which we all know they are capable of doing)

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JahManRed wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Not surprising at all to me. The Middle East hates us, period, end of story. They always will, and nothing we can do will change that. There will be one war, some nukes will be exchanged, and we'll see who comes out on top.

Have you ever stopped to consider why they hate us from west? Its always "they hate us so we should blow the shit out of them."  But never, "why does a whole region made up of 10s of millions of ppl spanning many countries hate America and Britain?"

BTW, I don't see Hezbola as terrorists. When another country invades another sovereign nation I think its described as war and the ppl taking part are soilders not terrorists. Its interesting how countries who want to start unjust wars, simply label the enemy terrorists to allow themselves to breach every law of war and human right possible and still maintain support and avoid international law. Its all about propaganda.

Ill think you find that this came from the Israelis wanting to create a new method of irrigation so they grow more crops in their dry land.

To do this they would use water from an inland sea. The arabs upon seeing this diverted all of the rivers away from the inland sea so it would dry up, the israelis attacked the tractors which were diverting the rivers. The Arabs then said to the UN that they would destroy israel.

They said they would have the pleasure of striking first.

The Israelis were totaly outgunned and surrounded, so they first attacked egypt and destroyed over 400 aircraft in their first raid. this gave them air superiority, they then attacked syrian artillary positions (as they were shelling civilians in the north of israel) Basically Israel invaded and neutralised all of the threats surrounding her. They then acceptede a ceasefire ( against the defese ministers advice) instead of seeing how much of the arab land they could conquer.

Also they told the UN that there is no such place as Palastine, that palastine is just a zionist label. So paslestine isnt really a country to invade.


On the they all hate us claim, correct me if im wrong but i suspect this is largely (although probably not entirely) due to religion, including the crusades back to the holy land. However i have several things to say.

Firstly i think if both sides (West and East) tried really hard we could all get on. Secondly i think there are many groups of people who like to "incite Racial / religious hatred" these are groups i would call terrorists. Anybody that wants to blow up another person for no reason other than becuase they are christian or jews or whatever, that is how i would define a terrorist.

Next you say that the Israelis label hezbola terrorists (instead of freedom fighters) and you say that why are they attacking them, they should try diplomacy. Shouldnt Hezbolla try diplomacy? or did they try by kidnaping israeli soldiers? and didnt israel ask for the return of these soldiers before attacking? it was my understanding that when hezbolla refused to return them israel attacked.

And what kind of useless freedom fighters blows up civilians. how the fuck is that going to help your cause. Please give us back our land, we only blew up 400 school kids this year. You dont punch someone then expect them to be nice to you. Why dont they try a you scratch my back and ill scratch yours approach? Say maybe if Israel (or palastine) did something nice to palastine (or israel) then it would be returned?

lowing wrote:

No I know the majority of the ME feels this way, however it is a little disconcerting that the Iraqis whom we are there trying to help recover from a violent regime would protest in favor of this terrorist group. I mean, ok, ya don't like Israel, but to actually support terrorism??!!

I'm quite sure Hezbollah hasn't carried out a terrorist attack in over 20 years...you're surely not calling Hezbollah's retaliatory rocket strikes terrorism are you?  If you are, then you better admit that Israeli airstrikes are also terrorism.

R3v0LuT!oN wrote:

lowing wrote:

No I know the majority of the ME feels this way, however it is a little disconcerting that the Iraqis whom we are there trying to help recover from a violent regime would protest in favor of this terrorist group. I mean, ok, ya don't like Israel, but to actually support terrorism??!!

I'm quite sure Hezbollah hasn't carried out a terrorist attack in over 20 years...you're surely not calling Hezbollah's retaliatory rocket strikes terrorism are you?  If you are, then you better admit that Israeli airstrikes are also terrorism.

Well since Hezzbolah isn't the recognized govt. in that region

Hezzbolah recruits children to fight

Hezzbolah hides and fights in and around civilians ( women and children ) using them as shields.


Israel threatens reporters with censorship while Hezzbolah threatens them with murder.


Am I stupid, or are there differences in the way these to groups of people conduct themselves?

For you to say that Hezbollah hasn't comitted a terror strike in 20 years?.......I would love to see the article that supports that notion.

They had one dickhead rally, calm down. For all you know it was staged and the people didnt even know what they were marching for. Ever wonder why all their signs are written in English? They know who they want to reach with their protests, Americans.

wait, lowing, I thought democracy was breaking out all over Iraq like a plague?  (remember you said that)  It looks more like civil war will break out, unfortunately.

JahManRed wrote:

Erkut.hv wrote:

Not surprising at all to me. The Middle East hates us, period, end of story. They always will, and nothing we can do will change that. There will be one war, some nukes will be exchanged, and we'll see who comes out on top.

Have you ever stopped to consider why they hate us from west? Its always "they hate us so we should blow the shit out of them."  But never, "why does a whole region made up of 10s of millions of ppl spanning many countries hate America and Britain?"

BTW, I don't see Hezbola as terrorists. When another country invades another sovereign nation I think its described as war and the ppl taking part are soilders not terrorists. Its interesting how countries who want to start unjust wars, simply label the enemy terrorists to allow themselves to breach every law of war and human right possible and still maintain support and avoid international law. Its all about propaganda.

The first part has some sense to it. Iraq is an unjust war. The Israeli war is not unjust by any means. Their soldiers were captured for no good reason, in the months before the war, there have been a record number of suicide bombings in Israel (since the last cease fire.) The government has placed KNOWN TERRORISTS, not just to Israel, but to the majority of the world, IN CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT POSITIONS (security) The worlds main concern is that civilians are being killed. Their country has had the opportunity to remove the terrorist threat, but instead they support it.  Now the people are suffering the consequences.

Your second part is way off the mark. They are terrorists and they require a whole different type of warfare than your average soldier. Countries TREAT them as a military force. However most real military forces are alot more respectable than to hide in hospitals, peoples homes, and in large crowds. Most militarys won't blow themselves up in public just  to kill people.

An intersting note on this is how do they come up with civilian deaths in this case? I bet it depends on who is doing the counting because terrorists (or any guerilla force) looks like your average civilian. You could bomb a room full of terrorists and still have "reports" of a large number of civilians killed.

Anyways, reasons like theese are why they are "terroists" in the first place. They are too chicken shit to fight military style so they surround themselves with civilians. And if they want a kill they just blow themselves, and everyone around them up.

908741059871059781 wrote:

Anyways, reasons like theese are why they are "terroists" in the first place. They are too chicken shit to fight military style so they surround themselves with civilians. And if they want a kill they just blow themselves, and everyone around them up.

I'm sorry, what do you expect them to do, stand in an open field and wait for Israeli F-16's and Apache Helicopters to bomb them to pieces?  What would you do if an army as powerful as the IDF invaded your city and killed hundreds of your neighbors?  Would you "fight military style" or would you probably use guerrilla tactics?

Also, I don't recall Hezbollah carrying out any suicide attacks on Israel in this present conflict.  Hezbollah guerrillas have engaged IDF soldiers and are managing to hold their own just fine.  "Military style."

And furthermore, if Hezbollah's tactics are so "cowardly" why don't you explain to me just how dropping bombs from the safety of an F-16 is any more courageous?

Come on guys, THINK before you make an argument, don't just repeat what you've heard.

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