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2006-08-02 23:02:12
alpinestar
Member
+304|6838|New York City baby.
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04 … andes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04 … andes.html

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/p … mpany.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04 … andes.html

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/ … 2436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/c … 3_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/03 … rakis.html

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.p … amp;sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stories/05270 … gel27.html

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04 … andes.html


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020 … index.html


10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml

13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/1 … lexoh.html

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 8083736526 .)

http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/ … 2436.shtml

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAft … hIsOut.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?o … mp;sid=950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahas … 628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … Oct29.html

20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAft … hIsOut.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/government … 14,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/t … sands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/

Last edited by alpinestar (2006-08-02 23:17:37)

2006-08-02 23:03:50
kessel!
Peruvian Cocaine
+261|7007|Toronto Canada
nice work!
i still think gore won.

but without the war in iraq, would bf2 be what it is today?

Last edited by kessel! (2006-08-02 23:04:22)

2006-08-02 23:04:02
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6904|USA
Holy Cow. Nice compilation.
2006-08-02 23:10:43
Jejjk
My "Page Up" has never been used.
+40|6849|Sweden
Amazing....
O.M.G HAXX!!!
+1
2006-08-02 23:50:09
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6907|NT, like Mick Dundee

kessel! wrote:

nice work!
i still think gore won.

but without the war in iraq, would bf2 be what it is today?
He has a point...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2006-08-02 23:55:48
revolution.inc
Pass
+35|7013|Phoenix, Az

kessel! wrote:

nice work!
i still think gore won.

but without the war in iraq, would bf2 be what it is today?
man, fuck BF 2.
People are dying...
I don't know about you, but I'd choose lives over BF 2 anyday.

Last edited by revolution.inc (2006-08-02 23:56:13)

2006-08-02 23:55:50
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6915|Colorado
Just goes to show if you have enough money you can buy the job.
2006-08-03 01:46:42
TeamZephyr
Maintaining My Rage Since 1975
+124|6772|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia
I can't believe you KERAZY American's allowed your government to actually privatize the most imporant component of a working democracy, no wonder it was so easy for Bush to buy his wins!

Here in Aus we still have an independant government body called the Australian Electoral Commission to handle our voting and our elections, some things just shouldnt be sold off.
2006-08-03 01:48:49
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6962|California

nice work alpine.

i still believe that a swamp alligator ate the lost votes from Florida in the 2000 election.
--Because republicans are always right

</sarcasm>
2006-08-03 01:53:16
Kirokura
Member
+26|6781|Sweden
Good post. I would +1 you, but since the karma system is unverifiable without a paper trail I refuse to use it!

Last edited by Kirokura (2006-08-03 01:54:32)

2006-08-03 06:59:07
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6978|Salt Lake City

I'm all for electronic voting machines, but only if they offer a paper trail for verification, and only once the software has been cleared by the feds as to it functionality, security, etc.  I also think the people that make the machines should not also be counting the votes.  That should be handled by an independent body.
2006-08-03 07:02:36
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6977|California

TeamZephyr wrote:

I can't believe you KERAZY American's allowed your government to actually privatize the most imporant component of a working democracy, no wonder it was so easy for Bush to buy his wins!

Here in Aus we still have an independant government body called the Australian Electoral Commission to handle our voting and our elections, some things just shouldnt be sold off.
How about the Federal Reserve? Nothing Federal about it. It's the only reason we pay income taxes.
2006-08-03 07:05:34
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6862|Massachusetts, USA
Kind of off the subject....but....we also really need to get rid of the Electoral College and go to the popular vote.  I astonishes me that MORE people can vote for a canidate and he can still LOOSE!!!  Just another way for gov't to control us....I love conspiracy theories (can't wait for 24 to come back).
2006-08-03 07:08:04
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6977|California

Tunacommy wrote:

Kind of off the subject....but....we also really need to get rid of the Electoral College and go to the popular vote.  I astonishes me that MORE people can vote for a canidate and he can still LOOSE!!!  Just another way for gov't to control us....I love conspiracy theories (can't wait for 24 to come back).
You can't, smaller states would receive no help from the govt.

The Electoral College means candidates at least have to ACT like the smaller states exist. Without their votes, a candidate could in theory lose the presdency.

Plus, thanks to Diddy, more people got out and voted than ever before.... lol. They just voted for the guy he didn't want to win.

Diddy FTL!  --Vote or Die!-- lolzersaurus
2006-08-03 07:08:30
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6958

Tunacommy wrote:

Kind of off the subject....but....we also really need to get rid of the Electoral College and go to the popular vote.  I astonishes me that MORE people can vote for a canidate and he can still LOOSE!!!  Just another way for gov't to control us....I love conspiracy theories (can't wait for 24 to come back).
i agree the electoral thing is BS... more votes towards a person is better IMO
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
2006-08-03 07:09:08
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6769|Portland, OR USA
I think this is all conspiracy theory.  The biggest problem with voting in the good ol US of A is this:

Your vote for president does not matter.  Not one bit.  Not even the smallest iota of a sliver of significance.

The president is elected or impeached by one body and one body alone - the Electoral College.  In the past, the popular vote has elected a different president than the Electoral College, and guess what - the president elected by the Electoral College was sworn in.

The only influence we have is indirect.  The Electoral College is comprised of the Senators and Representatives - which we DO directly elect.  The idea is they then cast a vote in a manner best suiting their constituents.  This is obviously where the breakdown is.

Anyway, we're not a Democracy.  We're all republicans.  Even Jesse Jackson.  Why?  Because the United States of America is a republic. 
2006-08-03 07:17:52
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6862|Massachusetts, USA

Erkut.hv wrote:

Tunacommy wrote:

Kind of off the subject....but....we also really need to get rid of the Electoral College and go to the popular vote.  I astonishes me that MORE people can vote for a canidate and he can still LOOSE!!!  Just another way for gov't to control us....I love conspiracy theories (can't wait for 24 to come back).
You can't, smaller states would receive no help from the govt.

The Electoral College means candidates at least have to ACT like the smaller states exist. Without their votes, a candidate could in theory lose the presdency.

Plus, thanks to Diddy, more people got out and voted than ever before.... lol. They just voted for the guy he didn't want to win.

Diddy FTL!  --Vote or Die!-- lolzersaurus
LOL - Diddy....ROCK THE VOTE! 

I hear ya - but, that is what the Congress (especially the Senate) is for....the Presidential office should go to the guy with the most votes from the total population in the country (he/she does represent everyone to the world) imo, regardless of what state you are from....and I am from Mass!  hahah.  And for the record......I did vote for Bush the first time....I was young...
2006-08-03 07:21:25
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6862|Massachusetts, USA

PuckMercury wrote:

I think this is all conspiracy theory.  The biggest problem with voting in the good ol US of A is this:

Your vote for president does not matter.  Not one bit.  Not even the smallest iota of a sliver of significance.

The president is elected or impeached by one body and one body alone - the Electoral College.  In the past, the popular vote has elected a different president than the Electoral College, and guess what - the president elected by the Electoral College was sworn in.

The only influence we have is indirect.  The Electoral College is comprised of the Senators and Representatives - which we DO directly elect.  The idea is they then cast a vote in a manner best suiting their constituents.  This is obviously where the breakdown is.

Anyway, we're not a Democracy.  We're all republicans.  Even Jesse Jackson.  Why?  Because the United States of America is a republic. 
And what's up with only 2 parties?  I consider myself an Independant....which has no power at all.  There is a problem when you have to go with one party or another to have any chance of winning a seat in the gov't.  Then, if you don't "play ball" with your party....you pretty much loose your seat in re-election....

And I really HATE paying taxes only to have the $$ spent on the campaigns of tool bags.....sorry, ranting!!!!
2006-08-03 07:41:23
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6978|Salt Lake City

Tunacommy wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

I think this is all conspiracy theory.  The biggest problem with voting in the good ol US of A is this:

Your vote for president does not matter.  Not one bit.  Not even the smallest iota of a sliver of significance.

The president is elected or impeached by one body and one body alone - the Electoral College.  In the past, the popular vote has elected a different president than the Electoral College, and guess what - the president elected by the Electoral College was sworn in.

The only influence we have is indirect.  The Electoral College is comprised of the Senators and Representatives - which we DO directly elect.  The idea is they then cast a vote in a manner best suiting their constituents.  This is obviously where the breakdown is.

Anyway, we're not a Democracy.  We're all republicans.  Even Jesse Jackson.  Why?  Because the United States of America is a republic. 
And what's up with only 2 parties?  I consider myself an Independant....which has no power at all.  There is a problem when you have to go with one party or another to have any chance of winning a seat in the gov't.  Then, if you don't "play ball" with your party....you pretty much loose your seat in re-election....

And I really HATE paying taxes only to have the $$ spent on the campaigns of tool bags.....sorry, ranting!!!!
I hear ya man.  Because of all the talk of Mitt Romney running for president, it was just assumed that our Govenor (John Huntsman, Jr.) would back him because they are both Mormon and Mitt is a native of Utah.  Nope, the Gov is backing John McCain.  Boy, if you don't think that didn't stir some debate here, let me tell you what!  It's better than when the circus comes to town. 
2006-08-03 07:59:06
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6769|Portland, OR USA
well yeah, we do have a 2 party system, but that's purely a function of us to be honest.  There are other options, they just don't get the votes.  They don't get the votes because they can't afford the exposure.  In addition to that, there's something to be said for "brand loyalty" so to speak.  Do we go with the known evil or the unknown one?

I agree we need more parties completely, but I just don't think that particular element is the government's fault.  The only influence I would think they could have would be in the form of mandating a certain number of seats.  But who then decides how many seats?  Who decides which parties are officially recognized.  Do we need a member of each party from each district?  Our Congress would increase by 5 times at least.  I think that would lead to more bullshit than even affirmative action.

Yeah, I said it.  Affirmative action sucks.

But anyway, I do think the party system is our own fault.  That's something we have the opportunity to change every 2 years.
2006-08-03 08:22:30
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6977|California

Tunacommy wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

I think this is all conspiracy theory.  The biggest problem with voting in the good ol US of A is this:

Your vote for president does not matter.  Not one bit.  Not even the smallest iota of a sliver of significance.

The president is elected or impeached by one body and one body alone - the Electoral College.  In the past, the popular vote has elected a different president than the Electoral College, and guess what - the president elected by the Electoral College was sworn in.

The only influence we have is indirect.  The Electoral College is comprised of the Senators and Representatives - which we DO directly elect.  The idea is they then cast a vote in a manner best suiting their constituents.  This is obviously where the breakdown is.

Anyway, we're not a Democracy.  We're all republicans.  Even Jesse Jackson.  Why?  Because the United States of America is a republic. 
And what's up with only 2 parties?  I consider myself an Independant....which has no power at all.  There is a problem when you have to go with one party or another to have any chance of winning a seat in the gov't.  Then, if you don't "play ball" with your party....you pretty much loose your seat in re-election....

And I really HATE paying taxes only to have the $$ spent on the campaigns of tool bags.....sorry, ranting!!!!
Income taxes are a load of crap. Do a flat federal sales tax across the board, eliminate income tax altogether. Allow people to commit to their own social security.

2 parties suck. I am a member of neither.
2006-08-03 08:30:37
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6862|Massachusetts, USA

PuckMercury wrote:

Our Congress would increase by 5 times at least.  I think that would lead to more bullshit than even affirmative action.

Yeah, I said it.  Affirmative action sucks.

But anyway, I do think the party system is our own fault.  That's something we have the opportunity to change every 2 years.
Definitely a matter of exposure - we get brainwashed as a society by the ad's and subconciously pick the guy that we have seen more on TV.  Sad really.

Ageed on Affirmative Action!  how is that fair???  Totally hypocritical and counter productive.  My buddy flys for Jet Blue and has told me that because of affirmative action and quota's....most women that go through the program are much less qualified than many of the men that they don't hire.  They ease up on the certifications for the females just to hit their quota's....should make you feel good about flying with your family.  Hey, they call it a "cockpit" for a reason - stay home if you can't handle it!!!  that should get me in trouble....
2006-08-03 08:36:50
|60|Cobalt
Terror in the Skies
+30|6994|Leipzig/Germany
america - the greatest democracy on earth

+1 for you
2006-08-03 08:41:41
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6978|Salt Lake City

Erkut.hv wrote:

Tunacommy wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

I think this is all conspiracy theory.  The biggest problem with voting in the good ol US of A is this:

Your vote for president does not matter.  Not one bit.  Not even the smallest iota of a sliver of significance.

The president is elected or impeached by one body and one body alone - the Electoral College.  In the past, the popular vote has elected a different president than the Electoral College, and guess what - the president elected by the Electoral College was sworn in.

The only influence we have is indirect.  The Electoral College is comprised of the Senators and Representatives - which we DO directly elect.  The idea is they then cast a vote in a manner best suiting their constituents.  This is obviously where the breakdown is.

Anyway, we're not a Democracy.  We're all republicans.  Even Jesse Jackson.  Why?  Because the United States of America is a republic. 
And what's up with only 2 parties?  I consider myself an Independant....which has no power at all.  There is a problem when you have to go with one party or another to have any chance of winning a seat in the gov't.  Then, if you don't "play ball" with your party....you pretty much loose your seat in re-election....

And I really HATE paying taxes only to have the $$ spent on the campaigns of tool bags.....sorry, ranting!!!!
Income taxes are a load of crap. Do a flat federal sales tax across the board, eliminate income tax altogether. Allow people to commit to their own social security.

2 parties suck. I am a member of neither.
Unless you are willing to allow the feds to have heavier control over corporate America, there is no way you can completely privatize SSI without a lot of people getting shafted from corporate greed.
2006-08-03 09:27:14
jonsimon
Member
+224|6737
I have relatives in Ohio and Georgia. They were pretty upset about the new voting machines.

 

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