Cactusfist
Pusher of sausages Down Hallways
+26|6811

lowing wrote:

Cactusfist wrote:

Saying Israel is defending itself is like... a kid trips you up in the coridor, so you burn his house, eat his parents, squash his ca and maim him a bit.

Teensy bit extreme, but then again any excuse for violence is used between those 2 nations.
except Israel was not "tripped in the hall".......they have had missles shelled down on them for a long time...Anyone wanna explain why during the beginning of the gulf war (in 91) that Iraq rained scuds down on Israel?? Or was that just Israel being "tripped in the hall".
Admittedly it was being tripped after a life of taunting and ridicule.

I'd do the same thing. It's not the RIGHT thing, but it's what i'd do.
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6730|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

I think that this thread just needs to be closed. This subject should not have been brought up here... this sight is dedicated to a WAR GAME, not politics. But that is just my opinion, can't we just play the game in peace???!!!
we dont talk about WAR GAMEs in the DEBATE AND SERIOUS TALK section, heres your two cents right back at ya.
well considering this post was started by a guy that was a racist, someone should start a new thread. If you look a couple of pages back I was posting in this too.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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i hate long threads unless i start em
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6730|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Come on its not that long its only on page 11
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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yeah but you know if anything good was typed up on page 4, thats exactly where its gonna stay and it became a waste of time for the poster.  im new to all this internet ettiquette, sort of.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6963|California

Israel can handle themselves, i mean fuck, they fought off 4 countries at once, and then took their lands!
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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the only time i would think we should intervene is if Iran gets in the mix, but then again anybody who's read any of my posts knows how I feel about persia
HOLLYWOOD=_=FTW=_=
Member
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I vote for immediate nuclear escalation cmon what are we draggin our asses for were all gonna die anyways
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6963|California

there is only one country envloved in this war, Isreal.

the Hezbollah are squatting on Lebanon's southern territories. Lebanon wishes to not get involved in this whole shitfair.

https://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/07/26/mideast.main/newt1.2127.tank.gi.jpg

gunslinger wrote:

the only time i would think we should intervene is if Iran gets in the mix, but then again anybody who's read any of my posts knows how I feel about persia
that time may come very soon, im afraid
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ … index.html
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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stryyker wrote:

that time may come very soon, im afraid
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/ … index.html
I read that on my hourly news update earlier today.  but i think thats just a major PR stunt, 60 "volunteers" LOL, oh yeah, real contribution.  But, the headlines will always change the next morning I wake up, very fluid situation and its amazing how modern technology is letting us see this in real time.
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6730|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Those untrained twats are the same guys that run into M.G. fire yelling Allah Ackbar thinking the will go to heaven and get 40 virgins
GunSlinger OIF II
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cannon fodder
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6730|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Yeah but knowing Iran buy the time they hit the border, they will all have been exchanged for commandos. Just like the "volunteers" I saw in Iraq.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
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SgtHeihn wrote:

Yeah but knowing Iran buy the time they hit the border, they will all have been exchanged for commandos. Just like the "volunteers" I saw in Iraq.
oh no, opening up a can of worms there my man. 


SPIT ON IRAN!!!!!

where were you at.  Baghdad/Taji OIF II right here
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6730|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
3/5 Fallujah, Ferris,  OIFIII
The_Fighting_69th
Combat medic
+6|6996
yeah, I'm sure that hezbollah will stop firing rockets if there was a ceasefire...  :Rolleyes:
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6804

fadedsteve wrote:

I dont have proof, my business is not in the intellegence community!
And yet you speak like you know exactly what's going on.  Smart.

fadedsteve wrote:

But I can tell you that the Iranians lie all the time, and are not to be trusted.
Really, they do?  Wow, they must be, like, the first ever country to lie about something, ever!  You know, other than the US, UK, France, Israel, Russia, China, Germany..................

fadedsteve wrote:

They also are just as secret as the NKoreans about their nuclear capabilities.
The North Koreans brag about their nukes.

fadedsteve wrote:

The probability is 80/20 that they do have the weapons, we just don't know in all reality.
And there's a 12/10 chance that probability is made up.

fadedsteve wrote:

But flat out saying that they dont is probably a wrong assumption
How about if every government in the world believes they don't have nukes, it's reasonable to say they don't.  Or is a Bush not a good enough source?
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|6964|Sydney, Australia
I believe there should be an immediate ceasefire.



I am not going for the enemy, I merely think the way Israel is handling the situation is wrong.

It was fine until an established UN outpost was attacked, killing 4 UN soldiers... It was fine until Israel began murdering innocent Lebanese civilians. The toll is now 300, and rising.



Watching news reports, and seeing what Lebanese people say about the Israelites (when a family member has been killed), it seems like Israel's efforts are in vein.

If Israel is to root out the enemy, to destroy the source of Lebanese hatred towards Israel, then why is Israel killing civilians. Do they realise this is fostering Lebanese hatred for Israel?



While I support a ceasefire, I don't think it is the ultimate solution. A UN Security Force needs to be sent, and in conjunction with Lebanon's military, Hizbollah needs to be rooted out.

This 'state within a state' needs to be eliminated, but not in the method currently being carried out.



Mcminty.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

mcminty wrote:

I believe there should be an immediate ceasefire.



I am not going for the enemy, I merely think the way Israel is handling the situation is wrong.

It was fine until an established UN outpost was attacked, killing 4 UN soldiers... It was fine until Israel began murdering innocent Lebanese civilians. The toll is now 300, and rising.



Watching news reports, and seeing what Lebanese people say about the Israelites (when a family member has been killed), it seems like Israel's efforts are in vein.

If Israel is to root out the enemy, to destroy the source of Lebanese hatred towards Israel, then why is Israel killing civilians. Do they realise this is fostering Lebanese hatred for Israel?



While I support a ceasefire, I don't think it is the ultimate solution. A UN Security Force needs to be sent, and in conjunction with Lebanon's military, Hizbollah needs to be rooted out.

This 'state within a state' needs to be eliminated, but not in the method currently being carried out.



Mcminty.
the UN "observers" that were killed were in a war zone, ain't the first time some got killed that wasn't supposed t oin a war. Besides, how do we know that Israel didn't have intel saying these observers were  reporting troop movements and such to the UN, ( which is anti-Semetic ) and those reports filtered down to hazbollah. I have no proof, just a thought.

By the way, it is 2 pages later and not one of you has shown a link that supports the notion that the UN has been fair in its dealings with Israel, as a matter of fact,except for a map, you have totally ignored the challenge. I knowwwwwwww you searched tyhe interent over trying to find a link to shove in my face, so I am still waiting, and noticing.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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lowing wrote:

Besides, how do we know that Israel didn't have intel saying these observers were  reporting troop movements and such to the UN, ( which is anti-Semetic ) and those reports filtered down to hazbollah. I have no proof, just a thought.
So, now Kofi Annan is backing Hizballah?  Right.............

And the only proof that you've offered that the UN is anti-Semitic is that ridiculous list of votes for and against Israel.  By that logic, they hate Iraqis for being Iraqis.
CameronPoe
Member
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Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Besides, how do we know that Israel didn't have intel saying these observers were  reporting troop movements and such to the UN, ( which is anti-Semetic ) and those reports filtered down to hazbollah. I have no proof, just a thought.
So, now Kofi Annan is backing Hizballah?  Right.............

And the only proof that you've offered that the UN is anti-Semitic is that ridiculous list of votes for and against Israel.  By that logic, they hate Iraqis for being Iraqis.
QFE

And North Koreans for being Korean. And Iranians for being Iranian. At the UN, the world votes on whether they believe something is right or wrong. It's democratic. Except that USA has a veto and ALWAYS sides with Israel.
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6783|vancouver

lowing wrote:

the UN "observers" that were killed were in a war zone, ain't the first time some got killed that wasn't supposed t oin a war. Besides, how do we know that Israel didn't have intel saying these observers were  reporting troop movements and such to the UN, ( which is anti-Semetic ) and those reports filtered down to hazbollah. I have no proof, just a thought.

By the way, it is 2 pages later and not one of you has shown a link that supports the notion that the UN has been fair in its dealings with Israel, as a matter of fact,except for a map, you have totally ignored the challenge. I knowwwwwwww you searched tyhe interent over trying to find a link to shove in my face, so I am still waiting, and noticing.
Maybe the significance of the maps is not obvious, so let's be more clear about that.  On the left, we have a map of Jewish settlements in Palestine in 1947, in orange.  And on the right, we have the 1947 UN partition plan for a Jewish state, again in orange, and an Arab state in yellow.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Map_of_Jewish_settlements_in_Palestine_in_1947.pnghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/97/UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png/306px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png
Who got the better of that deal by far?  The Arabs?  Wrong answer.  They got what's commonly referred to as "the shaft" from the UN.  Look at the maps again.  And you're calling the UN anti-Semitic?  Give me a fucking break.

It's easy, with hindsight, to say the Arabs probably should have accepted the UN deal, despite how shitty their end of it was.  Of course, I'm not an Arab, a time traveller, or a time-travelling Arab, so it's especially easy for me to say.  Regardless, the fact many did not accept the deal is not surprising.  Look at it from their point of view -- Israel was carved out of their land and they were forced to either leave or die.  That's pretty brutal.

Here's more or less what Israel has expanded to now...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4c/Cia-is-map2.gif/276px-Cia-is-map2.gif

Here's the problem: Israel wants to be a Jewish state, but it also wants to be "democratic".  That means they had to forcibly expel non-Jews both in the beginning, and on an ongoing basis as they expanded.  Otherwise they would be looking at a non-Jewish majority.  I don't have to tell you what a cynical view of democracy that is.

(South Africa had a similar "problem" during their apartheid years.  There are more similarities than differences, but I'll grant there are differences.  The most obvious difference is that calling apartheid's critics "anti-white" tended to be a pretty ineffective diversionary tactic.)

Calling somebody anti-Semitic is a serious accusation, lowing.  And if you think what you posted is good evidence of the UN's so-called anti-Semitism, then you must think a career criminal's long rapsheet proves that cops just like to pick on him.  If that's your idea of "proof", do your fellow Americans a favour and make sure you give jury duty a miss when the call comes.

Last edited by spastic bullet (2006-07-27 05:37:23)

lowing
Banned
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Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Besides, how do we know that Israel didn't have intel saying these observers were  reporting troop movements and such to the UN, ( which is anti-Semetic ) and those reports filtered down to hazbollah. I have no proof, just a thought.
So, now Kofi Annan is backing Hizballah?  Right.............

And the only proof that you've offered that the UN is anti-Semitic is that ridiculous list of votes for and against Israel.  By that logic, they hate Iraqis for being Iraqis.
No I say the UN records speaks for its self...........PROVE ME WRONG!!!!!!!!.....GIVE ME THE LINKS!!!!!!!! STILL WAITING.

Also, I said I have no proof for my above comment that it was just a thought.

Bubbalo I know you of all people would be first with links to show fairness toward Israel if there were any.

Last edited by lowing (2006-07-27 15:13:26)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|6894|USA

spastic bullet wrote:

lowing wrote:

the UN "observers" that were killed were in a war zone, ain't the first time some got killed that wasn't supposed t oin a war. Besides, how do we know that Israel didn't have intel saying these observers were  reporting troop movements and such to the UN, ( which is anti-Semetic ) and those reports filtered down to hazbollah. I have no proof, just a thought.

By the way, it is 2 pages later and not one of you has shown a link that supports the notion that the UN has been fair in its dealings with Israel, as a matter of fact,except for a map, you have totally ignored the challenge. I knowwwwwwww you searched tyhe interent over trying to find a link to shove in my face, so I am still waiting, and noticing.
Maybe the significance of the maps is not obvious, so let's be more clear about that.  On the left, we have a map of Jewish settlements in Palestine in 1947, in orange.  And on the right, we have the 1947 UN partition plan for a Jewish state, again in orange, and an Arab state in yellow.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … n_1947.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … e_1947.png
Who got the better of that deal by far?  The Arabs?  Wrong answer.  They got what's commonly referred to as "the shaft" from the UN.  Look at the maps again.  And you're calling the UN anti-Semitic?  Give me a fucking break.

It's easy, with hindsight, to say the Arabs probably should have accepted the UN deal, despite how shitty their end of it was.  Of course, I'm not an Arab, a time traveller, or a time-travelling Arab, so it's especially easy for me to say.  Regardless, the fact many did not accept the deal is not surprising.  Look at it from their point of view -- Israel was carved out of their land and they were forced to either leave or die.  That's pretty brutal.

Here's more or less what Israel has expanded to now...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … s-map2.gif

Here's the problem: Israel wants to be a Jewish state, but it also wants to be "democratic".  That means they had to forcibly expel non-Jews both in the beginning, and on an ongoing basis as they expanded.  Otherwise they would be looking at a non-Jewish majority.  I don't have to tell you what a cynical view of democracy that is.

(South Africa had a similar "problem" during their apartheid years.  There are more similarities than differences, but I'll grant there are differences.  The most obvious difference is that calling apartheid's critics "anti-white" tended to be a pretty ineffective diversionary tactic.)

Calling somebody anti-Semitic is a serious accusation, lowing.  And if you think what you posted is good evidence of the UN's so-called anti-Semitism, then you must think a career criminal's long rapsheet proves that cops just like to pick on him.  If that's your idea of "proof", do your fellow Americans a favour and make sure you give jury duty a miss when the call comes.
Ahhhhh, so you are taking the stance that the all of the ME SURROUNDING ISRAEL, are the ones constantly on the defensive...ummmmmmmm.......ya right.........If the list is invalid....show me by providing some links that supports the notion that UN has been completely fair in the dealings with Israel...... your tap dancing around the challenge is boring.

Again I asked, (and it was ignored) if Israel is the agressor, please someone explain to me why Iraq lobbed scud after scud into Israel during the beginning of the gulf war. Attacks that Israel let go unresponded.

PLEASER EXPLAIN THAT. ( by the way, I already know the answer) I WANT TO HEAR YOUR VERSION OF THAT EVENTl.
Lib-Sl@yer
Member
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Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Besides, how do we know that Israel didn't have intel saying these observers were  reporting troop movements and such to the UN, ( which is anti-Semetic ) and those reports filtered down to hazbollah. I have no proof, just a thought.
So, now Kofi Annan is backing Hizballah?  Right.............

And the only proof that you've offered that the UN is anti-Semitic is that ridiculous list of votes for and against Israel.  By that logic, they hate Iraqis for being Iraqis.
Hey bubbalo u know that saying think b4 u speak u might wanna try that out

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