BVC
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+325|6937
China, being as densely populated as it is, is utterly fucked with even a few nukes, I believe they'll only become a threat once they have a decent missile defense system, China's population is both a blessing and a curse in that respect.  That said, its only assuming WMDs become a factor.  Otherwise they'll be more of a challenge; in that case having populous allies (such as India) would be the the USA's advantage.  Either way China would be fucked.

If you want to get an idea of how they think, go read Sun Tzu and the like.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6770|Global Command
They are hoping we bleed ourself into  fincial ruin in the middle east so they wont have to invade. They'd win because we just couldn't do anything but nuke them. And we wont do that unless they invade.
hilltop2bit
Member
+9|6818|Doctor Evils Lair, Near You!

xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:

Cactusfist wrote:

China is on the up at an incredible rate. Its eating all the steel. We've yet to see a shadow of what China will become.
true but energy demands around the world are growing. China is consuming too much water as it is and if it wants to be a superpower it needs to learn to support itself on its own resources b/c I'm not seeing much for the future. Pretty soon Isaac Asimov's science fiction tales will come true
I agree with this comment...............as a Aussie we sell a heap of resources to China and only hear about there insatiable appetite for ore and power........I think they will certainly get "territorial" in Asia soon and start to take over little by little. The USA will not have the power to really stop them long term.........BRING IT BACK HOME NOW.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|6887
China having the "largest army" is completely irrelevent. They are poorly trained, lack experience, and are poorly equipped. A conventional war with China would be like fighting a military from the 1970's. China lacks the ability to project military force beyond their border so they couldn't possibly invade the US by conventional means. The war would be so lop-sided (conventional or nuclear) that it isn't even worth considering. Also, remember that China's military spending is only 1/8th that of the US. Russia is still the number two military power in the world. I don't know where you guys come up with some of this bullshit (like the original poster of this thread).

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AD_Kensan
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+7|7026
I am shocked that so many in this thread point out the export/import deficit of the US with China (it's +200 BILLION a year from the US TO CHINA - think about that for a sec or two) and you say: well if we just stop importing stuff from there their economy will crumble... and so would the us too! over 50% of all goods you buy at walmart are manufactured in China. If we all (the entire world) would stop importing stuff from China prices would skyrocket once again. Another thing is that China is very smart about investors and investements. Many foreign companies move to China for a joint-venture etc. Economically speaking the US has lost the battle more than 10 years ago... everybody still thinks of chinese as these communists peasants and belittles them but the reality could not be further from that - at least in the coastal regions.

Now this is a very complex topic and I don't think I know enough about the subject but as I see it - and I was in China for a business trip just 1.5 months ago - the "war" between China and the US will not be fought on the battlefield. It does not matter what kind of secretive weapons the other nation has because if those two nations actually go to war I advise you to resettle to the next best planet...

The relations between China and the US have thusfar been "ok" because China has a "non-intervention" policy for now. It basically means China will not meddle in affairs that do not concern itself or its interests. The relations will intensify a lot more throughout the next couple years and it is one of the most important things in the future of all of us how the political leaders will solve their disputes.

The next ten to twenty years will be very instructive and interesting...
Reject_Wolf
Former Karkand Addict
+32|6824|Windsor, Ontario, Canada
China has too many needs to become a power, and too many territorries that don't liek there own country.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6957
I agree w/ what you all said china spending too many resources... remembered how the songhua river got poisoned?
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revolution.inc
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+35|7012|Phoenix, Az

Aust1mh wrote:

I've seen a bit of American pride lately, nothin' wrong with that... but when i saw "You'll bitches to America" on another thread i started to think about that.

With 2 hundred thousand troops over seas, the U.S government was talking about making service to the military a requirement due to shortages. feels like the U.S has lost their power if they need to start forcing their own people to war.

China has millions of troops, they have nukes and hi tech jets as well (so hi tech we don't know about them)... when (Not If) China starts using their power to "reclaim" lost territory, will the U.S be willing or able to stop them? This kinda has meaning for me as I'm an Australian living so close to China.

F-22 info all over the net, little to nothing about all of China's tech.

Remember that 1 Asian kid in high school that made us all look like tards, try fighting millions of them.

Obesity is a big problem thats only getting bigger in the U.S, not a problem at all in China.

not ever terrorist have the stones to attack China, American "HomeGrown Terrorist" plan to attack their own country.

in the next big war.... who will win??
I'm sure we got more hi tech stuff.
We're the biggest spenders when it comes to military.
{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank
U.S. > Iran
+497|6819|Florida

AD_Kensan wrote:

I am shocked that so many in this thread point out the export/import deficit of the US with China (it's +200 BILLION a year from the US TO CHINA - think about that for a sec or two) and you say: well if we just stop importing stuff from there their economy will crumble... and so would the us too! over 50% of all goods you buy at walmart are manufactured in China. If we all (the entire world) would stop importing stuff from China prices would skyrocket once again.
This is true...essentially we have the ability to produce the stuff on our own, although the prices would go up.  Inflation is a bitch.......
The#1Spot
Member
+105|6781|byah
well if china wants to start a war with us then they will end up starving.
horny_trojan
Member
+39|6952|Los FUCKING Angeles
China will never fight us because they are our number one trading partner.  It would be incredibly unprofitable for both countries if a war developed.  Countries with developed economies tend to stay out of all-out wars.  And,  for the record, Iraq doesnt count as an all-out war.
HCSkorpio
Hind Secks
+8|6778|California
No way. 

What do you mean by lost territory?
Except Mongolia?  That used to belong to China before I think WWI.

What about australia?  "Lost territory??????" 

I think the US might be the one that is the aggressor. 
The US is in debt to China in what amount of billions of dollars.
Its more likely that the US might do some nut job "and claim democracy" so if they set up a new government.
Then they can just erase the debt. 

But I see that as a 1% chance.

A war wont occur.  Simply because of MAD. 

But if a war occured,  without nukes.
It might be a stalemate.
America has the best trained troops and the best military in quality of troops and quality of weapons.
Plus American has naval power.  A blockade or naval attack can create catastrophic effects to the Chinese military infruscture.

But China is fighting on its home front,  and while they may not necessarily have the best,  they have a lot of slightly older weaponery and some new which can still hold its own. Plus other military development is shrowded in  & they train to fight a much more technolgicaly advanced foe (aka the US) in war games.

So I highly doubt shit like armored fury is ever gonna occur. 

It doesnt matter if you dont even have an army.  once you got nuclear weapons.  Thats pretty much your lifeline.
Why do you think there is so much pressure on NK & Iran.


While its true that China is a "Communist" country in name and its true that there is one party.
Its not radical communism like the cultural revolution.  So I dont think any war is going to occur.

The main theme of this age (information age whatever you call it) is going to require globalization.

Pretty much soon,  all major countries are going to be either economically or some otherway tied together.
There are already talks of China ,Japan,  South Korea doing the preliminary stuff to combine (like the EU)

Seriously all this bullshit about the Chinese taking over the world is just fuckin bullshit.  Only people who cant think rationally would gobble this up and create mass panic not saying the OP is.  By either Chinese haters,  jealous of their economic growth, war nut jobs,  and possibly racists.  Its a legitimate question,  but just saying shit like "oh the chinese is gonna invade.  Better lock ur doors and hide ur women"  is just like

Secret "insert non aligned,  dictator,  terroist group or ambiguious aligned nation here" documents show that they are planning to attack "insert western nation here"  through "insert whatever means here". (sarcasm)

Bullshit.


And yes Im born in the US. But my heritage is Chinese.  So I root for America and Mainland China.  But thats just my opinion above.

Last edited by HCSkorpio (2006-07-20 07:44:15)

BVC
Member
+325|6937
Just a point, China may have spent far less than the US on their military but their labour is also a lot cheaper, meaning their military dollar will go further...
eagles1106
Member
+269|6825|Marlton, New Jersey.
chinese secret planes like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-XX
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6997|United States of America
Look, this is simple.  The US is in no trouble right now with China.  The +200 billion crap mentioned above may no even matter in the future when something will most likely happen.  Our aircraft are far superior.  Imagine the F-22 going against a chinese MIG with stealth abilities only about as much as an F117.  Can't win.  Our tanks are far superior too, ever heard of reactive armor, 3 inch thick steel (on some light tanks), the main gun with armor penetrating rounds?  Even the Javalin missle launcher system could take out a chinese tank easily.  China may have numbers but remember black hawk down? 19 US rangers and delta force lost against over thousands of somalies, and they killed over 1000 themselves.  Same thing against China.  Where is the chinese homeland defense, missle defense, any defense? Navy? Well, I'm baffled as to why people think China would win.  Set aside also that the US has many allies willing to fight with them, and china has what, 1 or 2?
Cybargs
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+2,285|6957
errm america isnt doomed... wtf can china do w/ all the money if america paid it back and coudlnt buy food and supplies... great leap forward any1?
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stryyker
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+1,682|6961|California

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

errm america isnt doomed... wtf can china do w/ all the money if america paid it back and coudlnt buy food and supplies... great leap forward any1?
Mao ftw!
YunDog
Member
+6|6791

Aust1mh wrote:

in the next big war.... who will win??
I think its a safe bet to say no-one
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|6997|United States of America

YunDog wrote:

Aust1mh wrote:

in the next big war.... who will win??
I think its a safe bet to say no-one
If China has nukes then maybe no one, maybe US, actually, yeah US.  Once China fires one nuke at us, well, China ends.
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6914|Colorado
I miss the nipple! Damn You nipple complainers! Damn YOU!
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6957

TrollmeaT wrote:

I miss the nipple! Damn You nipple complainers! Damn YOU!
go pm chuy and say let me allow it

well china's nukes will be fucked if the US puts lasers in space
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trackstarr
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+18|6943|Swing and a miss

.BucKShoT.50 wrote:

China isn't really that great, all they do is make ps2's and psp's...
Thats Japan Dumbass
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6957

trackstarr wrote:

.BucKShoT.50 wrote:

China isn't really that great, all they do is make ps2's and psp's...
Thats Japan Dumbass
no its china... china produces them, japan designs and create them, not produce them.
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Capt. Foley
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+155|6829|Allentown, PA, USA
Might wanna check this out, Ive done the best I could to find something that says this is bull shit but I couldnt. I still think this might not be true though. http://www.geocities.com/testament1212/ … nstUS.html
Capt. Foley
Member
+155|6829|Allentown, PA, USA
I realy wonder what would happen if war broke out, our country is starting to seem less patriotic. It seems half the people would go and fight for China.

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