BVC
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Okay so they're about a century old and the worlds a different place but hey its raised a few eyebrows here.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3735966a11,00.html
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Old US plan to invade NZ revealed
18 July 2006 
By EDWARD GAY

The United States planned to invade Auckland almost a century ago if the emerging superpower had gone to war with Japan, then a British ally, a US intelligence document reveals.


The document includes intelligence reports on North Head, Fort Takapuna and Mt Victoria. It recommends the Manukau Harbour as the best invasion point.

The plan involved landing heavy guns on Rangitoto Island to shell forts on the North Shore.

Although the document was declassified by US authorities in 1972, little has been reported up to now. Military historian Peter Corbett has published an article in the February 2002 edition of Forts and Works, a specialist military historian journal.

"To the best of my knowledge it hasn't been reported by the media, probably because they don't know about it," says Mr Corbett, who is convinced of the document's authenticity.

The document - titled: Naval War Plan for the Attack of Auckland, New Zealand - includes information on the water supply, public transport network and climate.

Mr Corbett says the intelligence report was compiled by the US at a time when Great Britain and Japan were allied by a treaty.

AdvertisementAdvertisementThe US and Japan had potentially conflictig interests in the Pacific, he says.

"They realised that if it had come to war then they would have had to fight in these regions," he says.

And if the US had gone to war with Japan, Great Britain could have been dragged in on the side of Japan. The ports of New Zealand and Australia would then be important strategic bases, Mr Corbett says.

Intelligence for the report was gathered during the visit of the Great White Fleet to Auckland over six days in August of 1908.

The fleet included 16 state-of-the-art battleships and visited Auckland, Sydney, Melbourne, Manila and Yokohama during its time in the South East Pacific.

"Basically it was a classic `stick this in your face'. It was a demonstration to the Japanese," he says.

Conservation Department historian and archaeologist David Veart says the document was produced at a time when there was a fear of the "Yellow Peril".

"A conflict in the Pacific between Japan and America was going to happen at some stage.

"The Americans were playing out war game scenarios with the British all over the globe."

Mr Corbett obtained the document from a US military historian after coming across references to the report in other documents.

"I've always been fascinated by warships and I grew up as a boy in Devonport and I suppose it had to get to me in the end," Mr Corbett says.

The American Consulate General's office was contacted to verify the document but said it does not have "any historical expertise in this area".

The North Shore Times has now contacted the Naval Historical Centre and National Archives and Records in the US and is awaiting a reply.
topthrill05
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Cool.
VspyVspy
Sniper
+183|6713|A sunburnt country
It's a good thing they didn't.  Otherwise you'd all be wearing Nike or Reebok shoes, some other name brand clothing label,  listening to rap music and your TV would be full of American sitcoms and reality shows................good thing that never happened huh?



Please note sarcasm and not America bashing
TuataraDude
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+115|6563|Aotearoa

VspyVspy wrote:

It's a good thing they didn't.  Otherwise you'd all be wearing Nike or Reebok shoes, some other name brand clothing label,  listening to rap music and your TV would be full of American sitcoms and reality shows................good thing that never happened huh?



Please note sarcasm and not America bashing
Sarcasm noted. LOL
BVC
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I'm glad they didn't, otherwise I might be wearing Vans and Levis, drinking coca-cola and think about having Subway for dinner...oh, wait...
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
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all your ass are belong to U S
Cougar
Banned
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Too bad we didn't do it and turn New Zealand into our official nuclear testing grounds 40 years later.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6815|Noizyland

BRING IT ON BITCHES!!!

Oops, heh. Debate and Serious talk. Kind of snapped there.
Honestly, the US can take Auckland, we don't want it.

New Zealand is too far ot of the way to make a good strategic base. Still, if the US did want to use NZ as a base, I'm sure we'd have no problem with helping out, I mean, we are pretty much Allies.
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Mike_J
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I'd actually like to visit there one day
kr@cker
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Mike_J wrote:

I'd actually like to visit there one day
after we make it the 51st state


Steve Irwin would find us in our foxholes and grab us and shake us til we bit him

Crikey!!
this lil buggers a wee bit miffed at me for distarbin 'is slamba, but look, 'es calmin down now, he's just as curious 'bout us as we are 'bout 'im, look at 'ow 'is camouflage plumage blends in so well with his surroundings, uh-oh, 'es gettin grumpy again, look 'e just peed at me, let's let him get back to sleep

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Ty
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+2,398|6815|Noizyland

Um... I think your getting us confused with Australia, (like most of the world.) And it's Steve Irwin, and he's an Aussie.
We don't have crocodiles here, just Kiwi and Tuatara and stuff.
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BVC
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Right, he got NZ confused with Australia, thats it, JIHAD ON AMERICA!!!!!
kr@cker
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I know but I've seen him in NZ a few times, looking for snakes or something, I don't remember, I just watch to see when he dies.
King_County_Downy
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I'm pretty sure the US has plans to invade every country...just in case.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
BVC
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kr@cker wrote:

Mike_J wrote:

I'd actually like to visit there one day
after we make it the 51st state
I was curious to know which state we'd have been, so I looked it up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U. … _statehood

Given the timing of the warship visit, we could of potentially beaten Arizona, New Mexico, Alaska and Hawaii to the punch!

kr@cker wrote:

I know but I've seen him in NZ a few times, looking for snakes or something, I don't remember, I just watch to see when he dies.
I think everyone does...I shouldn't be poking him like this, hes reeeealy dangerous!!! AHHH  THE LITTLE BASTARD BIT ME!!!  I don't feel so good....
TeamZephyr
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+124|6569|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia
Hopefully he dies soon, hes giving us Aussies really bad name.
vedds
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+52|6795|Christchurch New Zealand

Tyferra wrote:

Honestly, the US can take Auckland, we don't want it.
QFT

Kr@cker wrote:

I know but I've seen him in NZ a few times, looking for snakes or something, I don't remember, I just watch to see when he dies.
*Slaps Kr@cker with dead Snake* There are no Snakes here either........

Seriously it might have been very good for NZ if we had been invaded. Or we may have started drinking crap beer and watching that abomination you call football.

Awful thread title - I thought Winston had pissed off the yanks so bad on his little trip they were coming to take us over!!!
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6815|Noizyland

Winston's a surprisingly good guy y'know. However when he dies or leaves or is killed at an international peacekeeping conference his Party will die with him.

Irwin hasn't ever come to New Zealand for a serious nature show. We don't have anything to his 'taste'. Our most dangerous animal... probably a Tuatara or a Fruit Bat. Kiwis can give you a nasty scratch and a Kea will rip all the rubber of your car if you're not careful, but nothing deadly.
- Actually, I think he may have come here and found a Hedgehog which he was thrilled about.
Honestly, I like Irwin. He's bloody eccentric, but he puts a shit-load of effort into wildlife and conservation. Thumbs up Steve!

And Vedds: Thank Holy Crap we don't watch 'Football' here eh? Phew. I think we may have dodged a bullet there.
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Cybargs
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why would they want to invade new zealand.. probly coz of all the wool
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Mongoose
That 70's guy
+156|6571|Sydney, in 1978
lmfao americans trying to invade new zealand, they wouldnt even understand their accents lol kiwis ftw
Sentinel
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+145|6698|Australia
Id like to know if there was a similar plan for invading Australia, and if so what it talked of. But then again an invasion of Australia would be preety easy, there is so much open land/coast to land on.
So are any of the the Kiwi's here glad that you didnt cop and american invasion?
4_Phucsache
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Hmmm while the US is busy taking NZ maybe we can convince them to take Tasmania too....and why not give them the ACT while we're at it **waits for THA to see this**
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6715|Canberra, AUS

Pubic wrote:

Right, he got NZ confused with Australia, thats it, JIHAD ON AMERICA!!!!!
Take him, we don't want him.

*Sends notice to THA to ban 4_Phucsache
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
4_Phucsache
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Ack I rescind my last statement concerning the ACT (not thru fear of THA but in fear of losing my supply of fireworks ) If it wasnt for that then bugger it let em have it
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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And your supply of porn.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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