I only go solo when the guys who want to gun try to pierce the MBT armor with the machinegun...
ffs, y should some douche punish u for solo 'choppering'. if anything u shuld have a fkn medal in ur stats 4 it, gj m8
So how come u can do it? (In one of your previous posts u said u do it)cohen1976 wrote:
it has nothing to do with being better, its just a rule on my server.elmo1337 wrote:
Welcome to the world of solo flying, getting banned and kicked for being better with the tv missile then the admin, get used to it, got most of my kick bans like this because I took down planes, couldnt be down so I was a hacker
and if they dont like it then stay away.
And when others do it its not aloud?
I think the server rules should be the same for everyone
He has you there.TangsterChinkz wrote:
So how come u can do it? (In one of your previous posts u said u do it)cohen1976 wrote:
it has nothing to do with being better, its just a rule on my server.elmo1337 wrote:
Welcome to the world of solo flying, getting banned and kicked for being better with the tv missile then the admin, get used to it, got most of my kick bans like this because I took down planes, couldnt be down so I was a hacker
and if they dont like it then stay away.
And when others do it its not aloud?
I think the server rules should be the same for everyone
If you do it, then you have no right to complain or kick or ban anyone who does it to you.
I thought this Solo piloting was part of the game. For Months and Months i was going insane, i thought that i was missing something.
Kept looking but could never find it.
WHERE THE HELI IS THE AUTO PILOT BUTTON ON THESE THINGS?
Kept looking but could never find it.
WHERE THE HELI IS THE AUTO PILOT BUTTON ON THESE THINGS?
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It depends on a few things (as does every rule).
If you take off in a chopper when someone specifically asks for a ride, then I'd consider that a breach of the rules. Especially if there's an entire carrier full of high ranked players who could easily perform gunner.
If you M95 someone out of the gunner position then once again, breach of the rules.
BUT
If you know the person running up to you is a crappy gunner or there's nobody willing to help, then it's up to you to do what you're good at.
This is a social game, and you're all too used to playing with/ against bots (SP games have been de riguer for far longer than stuff like BF2) so it's easy to assume everyone else is a retard. But sometimes you need to bite the bullet and accept that how you play the game isn't about getting what you want, it's about making sure that you don't hurt others in the process.
I would imagine that the above is an attitude that the majority of American players would share what with your constant preaching of "freedom".
If you take off in a chopper when someone specifically asks for a ride, then I'd consider that a breach of the rules. Especially if there's an entire carrier full of high ranked players who could easily perform gunner.
If you M95 someone out of the gunner position then once again, breach of the rules.
BUT
If you know the person running up to you is a crappy gunner or there's nobody willing to help, then it's up to you to do what you're good at.
This is a social game, and you're all too used to playing with/ against bots (SP games have been de riguer for far longer than stuff like BF2) so it's easy to assume everyone else is a retard. But sometimes you need to bite the bullet and accept that how you play the game isn't about getting what you want, it's about making sure that you don't hurt others in the process.
I would imagine that the above is an attitude that the majority of American players would share what with your constant preaching of "freedom".
Being an apc whore i get killed a lot by skilled solo pilots tving me. When this happens i try to get an AA vehicle to take them down but it seems sometimes the Helo can hover out of lock range from the AA but still kill you with tv. I would like to see the distances the same so it's more of an even fight. The other thing to do is spot the Helo and hope one of the other fly boys can take them out.
owned, I like people like yoult-grumpy wrote:
Being an apc whore i get killed a lot by skilled solo pilots tving me. When this happens i try to get an AA vehicle to take them down but it seems sometimes the Helo can hover out of lock range from the AA but still kill you with tv. I would like to see the distances the same so it's more of an even fight. The other thing to do is spot the Helo and hope one of the other fly boys can take them out.
tv range : 450 m
aa : 400 m
owned
Rented a lot but never owned.. (tee hee). I thought the whole point of this game was to try and overcome the opposition. If they find a way to tilt the balance in their favour then try to tilt it back either by using your own skills or employing someone elses. Either way it's still a game.
Personally I do better in the chopper alone...
here's my new solo-chopper account (all kills solo): http://www.bf2player.com/index.php?page … t=74116563 I started this because my other account got to 7000th in the world and then the going gets hard so I wanted to start fresh (though I'll never beat blackhawk whores like DJJeffro).
Last night on an internode server I had roughly 40+ kills and 8 deaths each map and after 6 rounds of ownage I got kicked by an admin.
Half the time no one is waiting for the chopper anyway, of course I'm going to solo.
Sometimes you get craps gunners but after a bit of verbal pleading/persuasion they leave you alone.
What annoys me most is that other people can mostly only ever gun, they can't fly. So I eat up all the deaths and bugger all kills ('cause the gunner sucks up close). So then I become a tv launching platform for people who cant tv. I'm not a freakin' helicopter sim ffs.
And also, when solo I can line up my shots easier and to do this I stay away from the centre of action, this way I live longer.
And a tip for all chopper pilots, when going to rocket a ground target BRAKE. This means your missiles will hit roughly in the centre of your reticle. If you are accelerating and angleed towards the ground they will hit ABOVE your reticle.
And gunners, aim for the last half of the chopper you are tv'ing. But more particularlyaim for where their chopper was a half second ago. Account for their speed, lift and angle of approach.
I'm itching to do a formal solo guide like ArmyDr but I can't be arsed.
here's my new solo-chopper account (all kills solo): http://www.bf2player.com/index.php?page … t=74116563 I started this because my other account got to 7000th in the world and then the going gets hard so I wanted to start fresh (though I'll never beat blackhawk whores like DJJeffro).
Last night on an internode server I had roughly 40+ kills and 8 deaths each map and after 6 rounds of ownage I got kicked by an admin.
Half the time no one is waiting for the chopper anyway, of course I'm going to solo.
Sometimes you get craps gunners but after a bit of verbal pleading/persuasion they leave you alone.
What annoys me most is that other people can mostly only ever gun, they can't fly. So I eat up all the deaths and bugger all kills ('cause the gunner sucks up close). So then I become a tv launching platform for people who cant tv. I'm not a freakin' helicopter sim ffs.
And also, when solo I can line up my shots easier and to do this I stay away from the centre of action, this way I live longer.
And a tip for all chopper pilots, when going to rocket a ground target BRAKE. This means your missiles will hit roughly in the centre of your reticle. If you are accelerating and angleed towards the ground they will hit ABOVE your reticle.
And gunners, aim for the last half of the chopper you are tv'ing. But more particularlyaim for where their chopper was a half second ago. Account for their speed, lift and angle of approach.
I'm itching to do a formal solo guide like ArmyDr but I can't be arsed.
hmmm i can see where you're coming from. Was not this resolved in 1.3 though? can anyone verify this? I know the empty vehicle lock was mostly resolved.DSRTurtle wrote:
The complaint/rule against solo tv missling is that that jets and AA lose lock on. That can be considered an exploit.INCSOC wrote:
umm i don't get it... HOW exactly is that abusing the point system??? it's not like he gets his own kill assist ... flying with a gunner is abusing the system... since each kill yields 3 points... solo TVing is being resourseful ...
any 'Admins' here who enforce this rule who want to explain this to me?
I think very few people if any would have a problem if EA fixed it so that AA and jets retain their lockon when the guy switches seats in the chopper.
BTW you have just over one complete rotation to fire your missle and switch back to recover the helo before it crashes.
even so. I don't really see it as a huge issue. The helicopter has so many flares that it hardly ever dies from 'locked on' AA missiles. It's usually another TV, MGs, Copter Missiles or 'straight to face' AA missiles from a plane. Additionally the purpose of the pilot switching (most of the time i would think) is not to avoid lock but to fire a TV missile which is not an offence.
You may not intentionally exploit game mechanics, however in the instance of a bug present as a side effect of specific action, it does not mean you're prohibited from using a certain action for its original purpose, especially if it does not really benifit the player. For example: IF there was a bug that made a player dissappear of the map when using an AA installation, would we all just stop using AA? or IF when the user played as a support class the PKM would have sniper rifle accuracy, would we all just stop using the Support class? ohh wait... those DID happen hmmm...
well regardless. It's not right if not illegal (in ROE terms) to prohibit players from using specific resources. And i would have to agree with the majority of the people here, the only real issue in this instance is the admin abusing his power, and should be reported.
This is one of the reasons cartillery was invented.. to stop assholes from using the chopper to GAIN BILLIONS OF POINTS.
Pilot != points?? Laughable.
This forum seems filled to the brim with idiots and 12 year olds.
Pilot != points?? Laughable.
This forum seems filled to the brim with idiots and 12 year olds.
Ok wait wait wait. You CAN do it, then you say you don't do it, then you say you do. In the same senetence. And then you go blatanely against your own server rules. Wow. Those pilots are one thing. You cannot assume that every solo pilot won't let a gunner in. The OP is someone who would let a decent gunner i.cohen1976 wrote:
i CAN do it, its easy i dident say i do it myself, when there is no one around il go off solo as well, as long as im doing it i wil never warn / kick any1 else for it. believe me ive seen guys who came day after day on the server for just 1 thing (solo TV seatchanging) and soon as u tried to jump in as gunner they started like "i like to fly solo"
the same thing counts for the J10 pilots, u see china team is under pressure, they only got 1 flag left stil u see the idiots only camp the carrier doing Spawnrape's, so i made the rule "u can attack the arrier with Jet's and choppers when ur team owns all flags, stil i alow them to attack the carrier but soon as they keep coming back and doing "carrier attacks only" i warn or / kick.
i heard people say they find it 1 of the best servers around, its always full 24/7
so i gues people like it, it are always the same people who get kicked then complain. stil if he shows he's supriced by it then he dident read the rules, they pop on every 30 second.
J10's are irrelevant....
They like it because its a heliwhore, jetwhore, apcwhore, tankwhore map. And it's on 24/7. Big Deal. So the rules are no solo choppering (Which you confirmed you break yourself). What are you supposed to do if you're on the carrier and there's an empty heli and nobody on board? Leave it there? I think it would be more beneficial to the team if you went and solo'd, aye?
Please ban yourself from your own server because you said yourself that you solo pilot, and that every solo pilot by all means must get any gunner out. That's disrespectful. !b cohen 1976
Rocks_AT, you're an idiot. You must not fly. Everyone who uses the chopper is now an a-hole. Yay. Everyone in BF2 that has EVER used a chopper is an pointwhoring a-hole. Just ont use them anymore.
Pilot!=points. Lets say you have an excellent round and give your gunner 80 points. Thats 40 driver kill assists. Which is 40 points. IE on the ground you could cap 4 flags, (16), kill 12 people (40), and make 10 team points via kit (50). EASILY 50. Now tell me that pilots are pointwhores too?
Leave this topic before it overloads your mental capacity.
wow... in such a short post you've managed to lower yourself more than anybody that posted on this thread as of yet. here... let me help you a bit.Rocks_AT wrote:
This is one of the reasons cartillery was invented.. to stop assholes from using the chopper to GAIN BILLIONS OF POINTS.
Pilot != points?? Laughable.
This forum seems filled to the brim with idiots and 12 year olds.
1. Cartillery on vehicles, unlike seat switching IS an exploit.
2. Generalizing is stupid, not everyone who flies a chopper is an asshole. It works the other way as well... look... you can't use a chopper even though you ARE an asshole.
3. Did you actually read this thread? Nobody is talking about "Pilot != points", please go to the beginning of the thread and start your reading there.
4. You may think that using pseudo code as dialog makes you look 'cool'... it doesn't ... in fact it makes you look like an idiot.
5. Once again... Generalizing is STUPID. Assuming that everyone in this forum is an idiot and a 12 year old like you, is just asking for a reply like mine.
My suggestion is that before you post next time, you carefully read the thread, and choose your words wisely so that people don't confuse your post with something that came out of your anus.
1. Cartillery on vehicles, unlike seat switching IS an exploit.
A: So how many devs have confessed to seat switching? I know a few who love cartillery. Don't argue without facts.
2. Generalizing is stupid, not everyone who flies a chopper is an asshole. It works the other way as well... look... you can't use a chopper even though you ARE an asshole.
I am an asshole, but not in game. Not to my team. Just on forums, to people who like to wave their E-peens.
3. Did you actually read this thread? Nobody is talking about "Pilot != points", please go to the beginning of the thread and start your reading there.
Did you? Did any of you? My response is a direct response to someone who posted earlier. Go find it and get some perspective before you comment.
I shouldn't expect much from a forum where everyone has sigs the size of webpages and most have naked women on them but hey I'll vent just the same.
A: So how many devs have confessed to seat switching? I know a few who love cartillery. Don't argue without facts.
2. Generalizing is stupid, not everyone who flies a chopper is an asshole. It works the other way as well... look... you can't use a chopper even though you ARE an asshole.
I am an asshole, but not in game. Not to my team. Just on forums, to people who like to wave their E-peens.
3. Did you actually read this thread? Nobody is talking about "Pilot != points", please go to the beginning of the thread and start your reading there.
Did you? Did any of you? My response is a direct response to someone who posted earlier. Go find it and get some perspective before you comment.
I shouldn't expect much from a forum where everyone has sigs the size of webpages and most have naked women on them but hey I'll vent just the same.
INCSOC in reply to your reply with quotes, I have left out the entire quote.
DICE somewhat addressed the issue of solo choppers by shortening the time before the Helo loses altitude. They have never addressed the issue of AA/Jets losing missle lock when a solo pilot switches seats. I have stated in another post why lockon should never be lost just because a pilot switches seats.
Someone above stated that the range of the TV missle is longer than that of AA missles. I have not tested that so I don't know if that information is accurate or not. I believe they should be the same range. That would give the advantage to who ever sees the other first.
As for soloing, I don't like it. I can do it.
INCSOC the following is not directed at you but is intended as general comments to all readers.
I believe that 2 guys working together as a team communicating on teamspeak, vent, or VOIP are better than 1 guy alone. Yes they may die more often than the solo guy. But you also have the chain gun available for non armored targets and infranty in addition to the the TV Missle and rockets available to the pilot at all times.
I'm not the best at flying the helo or the best at gunning in the helo. I don't care. I'm out to have fun. I will fly anyone who wants to gun in the chopper. I will gun for anyone who wants to fly. If you fly and don't give me any chance at taking out targets with the TV missle then I won't gun for you again.
On the server I admin if you fly to the edge of the map to kill a gunner you will be kicked for teamkilling the first time. The second time you will be given a permanant ban.
edited for spelling
DICE somewhat addressed the issue of solo choppers by shortening the time before the Helo loses altitude. They have never addressed the issue of AA/Jets losing missle lock when a solo pilot switches seats. I have stated in another post why lockon should never be lost just because a pilot switches seats.
Someone above stated that the range of the TV missle is longer than that of AA missles. I have not tested that so I don't know if that information is accurate or not. I believe they should be the same range. That would give the advantage to who ever sees the other first.
As for soloing, I don't like it. I can do it.
INCSOC the following is not directed at you but is intended as general comments to all readers.
I believe that 2 guys working together as a team communicating on teamspeak, vent, or VOIP are better than 1 guy alone. Yes they may die more often than the solo guy. But you also have the chain gun available for non armored targets and infranty in addition to the the TV Missle and rockets available to the pilot at all times.
I'm not the best at flying the helo or the best at gunning in the helo. I don't care. I'm out to have fun. I will fly anyone who wants to gun in the chopper. I will gun for anyone who wants to fly. If you fly and don't give me any chance at taking out targets with the TV missle then I won't gun for you again.
On the server I admin if you fly to the edge of the map to kill a gunner you will be kicked for teamkilling the first time. The second time you will be given a permanant ban.
edited for spelling
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How does "Love" of a known exploit change it's unfairness? A car dropping on a an asset or another vehicle should not destroy it. It's a glitch (FACT) and a widely exploited one, that hopefully will be resolved in the next patch. I've got my facts 'buddy' you should get yours straight.Rocks_AT wrote:
A: So how many devs have confessed to seat switching? I know a few who love cartillery. Don't argue without facts.
no... your post was directed at all the forum users ... i quote: "This forum seems filled to the brim with idiots and 12 year olds."Rocks_AT wrote:
Did you? Did any of you? My response is a direct response to someone who posted earlier. Go find it and get some perspective before you comment.
if your response is directed at someone specific, quote them or at least mention their name.
again with your generalizations.... I'm gonna stop here because it's obvious to me that you're not listening and don't even follow your own advice.Rocks_AT wrote:
I shouldn't expect much from a forum where everyone has sigs the size of webpages and most have naked women on them but hey I'll vent just the same.
Good luck.
Have you even looked at the 1.4 beta? Any? At all? Somewhat? Its fixed. Get over it.How does "Love" of a known exploit change it's unfairness? A car dropping on a an asset or another vehicle should not destroy it. It's a glitch (FACT) and a widely exploited one, that hopefully will be resolved in the next patch. I've got my facts 'buddy' you should get yours straight.
As for my justification for my first post, I think its the same as sending over a helicopter or plane to the enemy base to stop their jets/helos before they start. Not unfair at all. And before you get all high and mighty, I don't support destroying commander's assets, mainly because they have no chance to move unlike the helo (you do realize I have to charge up the vehicle drop before I can send one, right?)
I admit, I was referring to the forum with that last part. I won't apologize for it, until I see otherwise.no... your post was directed at all the forum users ... i quote: "This forum seems filled to the brim with idiots and 12 year olds."
if your response is directed at someone specific, quote them or at least mention their name.
Madkatter was the person who I was responding to. If you had read his post you wouldn't have said to say "Nobody is talking about "Pilot != points"" because, hey, in fact they farking were. Go figure.
Have you taken a look around here lately anyway? Sure, not everyone's got 800x600 sigs, but there's a lot, and its annoying. I'm going to be an asshole about it. E peens and all that.
But whatever. You quit. Not gonna respond anymore, right? Good. Have fun.
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Chinkz u just own too much for their nubletness
Rocks_AT,
While i respect that you are actually responding to me without (mostly) resorting to 'FU AZZHOLE' comments, and are defending your point of view (however wrong it seems from my end). The only reason I want to end this argument is because it's leading nowhere, besides maybe more unhealthy aggravation.
INCSOC
While i respect that you are actually responding to me without (mostly) resorting to 'FU AZZHOLE' comments, and are defending your point of view (however wrong it seems from my end). The only reason I want to end this argument is because it's leading nowhere, besides maybe more unhealthy aggravation.
INCSOC
I used to take anyone in a chopper I mean anyone give them a go but it seems no one can hit anything or they gun a chopper, bam now they know where we are and to top it off miss 7 TVs or TV ground troops and gun tanks. To be honest Im sick of these guys, more and more I am going solo. Today I got 45 kills 1 death on wake USMC solo. Next round died 10 times 2 kills cause of guys who cant gun to save their lifes and mine.
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And if you managed to read my reply to your idiocy, maybe this whole flamewar wouldn't have happened.Madkatter was the person who I was responding to. If you had read his post you wouldn't have said to say "Nobody is talking about "Pilot != points"
Let me quote myself for ease:
Rocks_AT, you're an idiot. You must not fly. Everyone who uses the chopper is now an a-hole. Yay. Everyone in BF2 that has EVER used a chopper is an pointwhoring a-hole. Just ont use them anymore.
Pilot!=points. Lets say you have an excellent round and give your gunner 80 points. Thats 40 driver kill assists. Which is 40 points. IE on the ground you could cap 4 flags, (16), kill 12 people (40), and make 10 team points via kit (50). EASILY 50. Now tell me that pilots are pointwhores too?
Leave this topic before it overloads your mental capacity.
Last edited by MadKatter (2006-07-18 11:59:33)
I didn't bother with your reply because you didn't actually read my post, but hey, I'm up for some more:And if you managed to read my reply to your idiocy, maybe this whole flamewar wouldn't have happened.
Pilots who leave perfectly good gunners or gunners in training deserve to be called much worse than A-holes. But yeah, I guess you could stretch and pull and distort what I say... heh "I'm the idiot".. right.Rocks_AT, you're an idiot. You must not fly. Everyone who uses the chopper is now an a-hole. Yay. Everyone in BF2 that has EVER used a chopper is an pointwhoring a-hole. Just ont use them anymore.
I did read your post. It was all flamebait, generalizing against all chopper pilots.
Your post said NOTHING about solo flying. At all. Re-read it.
to stop assholes from using the chopper to GAIN BILLIONS OF POINTS.
Again, you said nothing about solo. Only flying a chopper in general. I haven't distorted a single thing.
Your post said NOTHING about solo flying. At all. Re-read it.
to stop assholes from using the chopper to GAIN BILLIONS OF POINTS.
Again, you said nothing about solo. Only flying a chopper in general. I haven't distorted a single thing.
The Solo TVing this is a Catch 22 as far as the ROE goes......
I dont see how EA could enforce anything against it.... The guy soloing (More times than not) simply refuses to let someone gun.. Thus Restricting the potential Gunners ability to play..... But if the admin kicks him.. Now the admin is restricting his gameplay style.....
Personally, I can SOlo.. Not great... but I can do it... But I'd much rather have a gunner that knows the TV Missle exists..... Bonus if they know how to guide the missle... Most Gunners seems stuck on the gun..... THose are the gunners that piss me off....
As for the person whining that Chopper pilots cant get kills/Points..... Last time I checked all the attack choppers had a whole bunch of missles that can be fired by the pilot.... Correct me if I'm wrong there.. Seems to me that you can rack up plenty of kills with those.
Long story short... I feel Soloing is an Exploit of game mechanics..... It should NOT be posible to switch seats ina chopper while it is in flight... I agree with the admins decision to prohibit it on his server.
I dont see how EA could enforce anything against it.... The guy soloing (More times than not) simply refuses to let someone gun.. Thus Restricting the potential Gunners ability to play..... But if the admin kicks him.. Now the admin is restricting his gameplay style.....
Personally, I can SOlo.. Not great... but I can do it... But I'd much rather have a gunner that knows the TV Missle exists..... Bonus if they know how to guide the missle... Most Gunners seems stuck on the gun..... THose are the gunners that piss me off....
As for the person whining that Chopper pilots cant get kills/Points..... Last time I checked all the attack choppers had a whole bunch of missles that can be fired by the pilot.... Correct me if I'm wrong there.. Seems to me that you can rack up plenty of kills with those.
Long story short... I feel Soloing is an Exploit of game mechanics..... It should NOT be posible to switch seats ina chopper while it is in flight... I agree with the admins decision to prohibit it on his server.