Not at all, it just seems like one of those situations where if you dont have anything nice to say dont say it. Look I never see you post anywhere in this forum other than to bust Americas chops. And with your country and YOU doing nothing politically about it, why even jump in these forums just to drop a country in the middle of a bad situation on its head? You always seem to believe you have all the answers, you constantly get proven wrong and instead of admitting it you just weasel your way out and think of a million other things you 'think' you know to make yourself look better which in turn makes you look retarded. Isnt there a time when even the stubborn admit defeat?Bubbalo wrote:
So, the fact that I disprove of aggressive militancy means I shouldn't post in threads which discuss it? That's like having an advisory council to discuss combating child pornography and filling it with pedophiles.
Bad choice of words, youre so uninformed. And you sound like every other ill informed individual that dosent pay attention to anything but the negative the US is doing. Or is it that you dont care?oug wrote:
My country has nothing to do with anything. I am concerned about Africa as well as the rest of the world because your fucking government is fucking with all of us.lowing wrote:
If your country is so damned concerned about Africa, stand a fucking post there, if not stop bitching about what others are or are not doing there.
If you are not bitching about the US NOT in Africa and how we need to do something, you are bitching that the US needs to stop playing world police and mind our own business.So which is it today??
What is it today? Today the United States Government is trying to implicate Tehran with what Hezbolah allegedly are doing so they can invade Iran and steal their oil.
And if you have something to say that differs from my opinion just say it and stop bitching about how I'm supposedly bitching cause that only makes you look like a goddamn retarded redneck.
I guess you forgot about the part where China was "vewy vewy angwy" with NK about launching those missiles. No problem, but there is alot of outside pressure telling him it would be ill-advised to do it again, especially from China.Kimosabe-sa wrote:
North Korea is causing trouble in the east, and with an ally like china there is nothing most counties can do about it. This are warning signs people. I know there will be a war soon, where and when it will start i dont know. But when it does there is going to be mushroom clouds of some of the major cities.
Difficult to focus on the positives when there... uh... arent any.d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Bad choice of words, youre so uninformed. And you sound like every other ill informed individual that dosent pay attention to anything but the negative the US is doing. Or is it that you dont care?oug wrote:
My country has nothing to do with anything. I am concerned about Africa as well as the rest of the world because your fucking government is fucking with all of us.lowing wrote:
If your country is so damned concerned about Africa, stand a fucking post there, if not stop bitching about what others are or are not doing there.
If you are not bitching about the US NOT in Africa and how we need to do something, you are bitching that the US needs to stop playing world police and mind our own business.So which is it today??
What is it today? Today the United States Government is trying to implicate Tehran with what Hezbolah allegedly are doing so they can invade Iran and steal their oil.
And if you have something to say that differs from my opinion just say it and stop bitching about how I'm supposedly bitching cause that only makes you look like a goddamn retarded redneck.
I think it's great that the US got rid of Hussein, just not so good that they destroyed so much of Iraq in the process... The only thing I have against the US is that they insult both my native countries on a regular basisd3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Bad choice of words, youre so uninformed. And you sound like every other ill informed individual that dosent pay attention to anything but the negative the US is doing. Or is it that you dont care?oug wrote:
My country has nothing to do with anything. I am concerned about Africa as well as the rest of the world because your fucking government is fucking with all of us.lowing wrote:
If your country is so damned concerned about Africa, stand a fucking post there, if not stop bitching about what others are or are not doing there.
If you are not bitching about the US NOT in Africa and how we need to do something, you are bitching that the US needs to stop playing world police and mind our own business.So which is it today??
What is it today? Today the United States Government is trying to implicate Tehran with what Hezbolah allegedly are doing so they can invade Iran and steal their oil.
And if you have something to say that differs from my opinion just say it and stop bitching about how I'm supposedly bitching cause that only makes you look like a goddamn retarded redneck.
Switzerland: about moneylaundering etc
Brazil: just simply make it impossible for us to enter the US, and if we try to return the 'favor' we get boycotted from everything
So, basically I can use my freedom of speech as far as I like so long as it's supportive of everything being done?d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Not at all, it just seems like one of those situations where if you dont have anything nice to say dont say it.
Then clearly you've missed a lot: my discussion about the conflict between Germany and Russia in WWII, my frequent comments on Israel, my recent comments regarding politics in the Netherlands (that's the one, isn't it?), and I believe I even dropped a couple of lines into the global warming discussions.d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Look I never see you post anywhere in this forum other than to bust Americas chops.
So, I can't criticise because my PM's a fuckwit? And you know nothing about what I am or am not doing.d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
And with your country and YOU doing nothing politically about it,
Oh, yes. Being about to beat the crap out of just about anyone you want must be so hard to bear. And those expensive homes, and cars, and TV's.......oh, it must just be torture.d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
why even jump in these forums just to drop a country in the middle of a bad situation on its head?
I have never claimed this anymore than anyone else on these forums.d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
You always seem to believe you have all the answers,
Such as where?d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
you constantly get proven wrong
I'm gonna need an example of this, as I don't have a clue what you're talking about.d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
and instead of admitting it you just weasel your way out and think of a million other things you 'think' you know to make yourself look better which in turn makes you look retarded.
I also still find it curious as to your stance. Your telling me that in a section dedicated to discussiona and talk, only those who agree with a statement should post? Oh, gee, won't that be fun!
This sums it all up. i did spend a year in iraq (March 04 to March 05). The Insurgents dont folllow any real kinda of rules. its a sad thing. but we have to realize by doing the right thing is what sets us aside.=JoD=Corithus wrote:
The fact that we have a set of principles and guidelines we follow, even in the heat of armed conflict is what sets us apart from these animals. The wounded soldier you mention was no longer a threat to them or their goals, his execution is nothing but a perfect example of the lack of humanity these insurgent creatures have.
We all know (now) that there were no WMDs and that the declaration made, in accordance with 1441, in November was correct.lowing wrote:
So you must also remember that France admitted as of March 17th ( the deadline for disarming) that Iraq had not fully complied.....http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/iraq_03-10-03.htmlaardfrith wrote:
Lowing, since you know about UN Resolution 1441, I trust you will remember what happened subsequently.lowing wrote:
Bubbalo you need a serious fact check......... http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2002/SC7564.doc.htm
Now that you have been proven wrong I trust you agree with my statement fully.
8th November 2002, Iraq accepted the terms of the resolution.
On 27th November, the UN weapons inspectors restarted their inspections.
On 7th December, Iraq handed over a 12,000 page document what it said is a current and complete declaration of all of its chemical, biological, nuclear and missile programmes. In the declaration, Iraq denied having any nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.
So, you see, Iraq complied fully with the resolution. As we know, with the benefit of hindsight, Iraq had no WMDs.
Source: BBC News - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 773213.stm
So the rest is just a matter of deciding if you are going to act on promises made that action will be taken if they do not fully comply with 1441. The rest is history isn't it???
Hans Blix, head of the UN weapons inspectors said on 7th March that Iraq was fully complying with the inspection teams requests.
What's left that Iraq wasn't complying with?
Show me one example where the US has stolen oil from anyone. We buy it , just like everyone else does.oug wrote:
My country has nothing to do with anything. I am concerned about Africa as well as the rest of the world because your fucking government is fucking with all of us.lowing wrote:
If your country is so damned concerned about Africa, stand a fucking post there, if not stop bitching about what others are or are not doing there.
If you are not bitching about the US NOT in Africa and how we need to do something, you are bitching that the US needs to stop playing world police and mind our own business.So which is it today??
What is it today? Today the United States Government is trying to implicate Tehran with what Hezbolah allegedly are doing so they can invade Iran and steal their oil.
And if you have something to say that differs from my opinion just say it and stop bitching about how I'm supposedly bitching cause that only makes you look like a goddamn retarded redneck.
Those were not "alleged" missiles that constantly, day in and day out, were shot into Israel by Hazbolah.
As far as me having something to say to you, I don't believe that I have beaten around any bushes, letting you all know how I feel about your apologist, appeasing, peace at any price, attitude toward the terrorism.
You also nailed it right on the head when you said "My country has nothing to do with anything". All this tells me is you must be fucking french or something along the lines of their attitude, that nothing matters in the world unless they have to surrender to it. If I didn't make myself clear enough to you, let me know and I will gladly rephrase.
The terrorists and the insurgency are the ones blowing the shit outta Iraq not the US. More civilians die at the hands of the terrorists than the US military I think. The terrorist are the ones that are keeping Iraq unstable, not the US effort. Unless of course you want show links where the terrorists are the ones stringing electricity and building schools and homes in Iraq.Konfusion0 wrote:
I think it's great that the US got rid of Hussein, just not so good that they destroyed so much of Iraq in the process... The only thing I have against the US is that they insult both my native countries on a regular basisd3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Bad choice of words, youre so uninformed. And you sound like every other ill informed individual that dosent pay attention to anything but the negative the US is doing. Or is it that you dont care?oug wrote:
My country has nothing to do with anything. I am concerned about Africa as well as the rest of the world because your fucking government is fucking with all of us.
What is it today? Today the United States Government is trying to implicate Tehran with what Hezbolah allegedly are doing so they can invade Iran and steal their oil.
And if you have something to say that differs from my opinion just say it and stop bitching about how I'm supposedly bitching cause that only makes you look like a goddamn retarded redneck.
Switzerland: about moneylaundering etc
Brazil: just simply make it impossible for us to enter the US, and if we try to return the 'favor' we get boycotted from everything
ummmmmm according to the link I provided France admitted by March 17 that Iraq was not compliant or did I mis read that?aardfrith wrote:
We all know (now) that there were no WMDs and that the declaration made, in accordance with 1441, in November was correct.lowing wrote:
So you must also remember that France admitted as of March 17th ( the deadline for disarming) that Iraq had not fully complied.....http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/iraq_03-10-03.htmlaardfrith wrote:
Lowing, since you know about UN Resolution 1441, I trust you will remember what happened subsequently.
8th November 2002, Iraq accepted the terms of the resolution.
On 27th November, the UN weapons inspectors restarted their inspections.
On 7th December, Iraq handed over a 12,000 page document what it said is a current and complete declaration of all of its chemical, biological, nuclear and missile programmes. In the declaration, Iraq denied having any nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.
So, you see, Iraq complied fully with the resolution. As we know, with the benefit of hindsight, Iraq had no WMDs.
Source: BBC News - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 773213.stm
So the rest is just a matter of deciding if you are going to act on promises made that action will be taken if they do not fully comply with 1441. The rest is history isn't it???
Hans Blix, head of the UN weapons inspectors said on 7th March that Iraq was fully complying with the inspection teams requests.
What's left that Iraq wasn't complying with?
Hmm...well, the US didn't exactly stroll in, did they? And I guess for you, killing hundreds with chemical weapons doesn't count, but ok...lowing wrote:
The terrorists and the insurgency are the ones blowing the shit outta Iraq not the US. More civilians die at the hands of the terrorists than the US military I think. The terrorist are the ones that are keeping Iraq unstable, not the US effort. Unless of course you want show links where the terrorists are the ones stringing electricity and building schools and homes in Iraq.Konfusion0 wrote:
I think it's great that the US got rid of Hussein, just not so good that they destroyed so much of Iraq in the process... The only thing I have against the US is that they insult both my native countries on a regular basisd3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
Bad choice of words, youre so uninformed. And you sound like every other ill informed individual that dosent pay attention to anything but the negative the US is doing. Or is it that you dont care?
Switzerland: about moneylaundering etc
Brazil: just simply make it impossible for us to enter the US, and if we try to return the 'favor' we get boycotted from everything
It is perfectly clear to me that the terrorists are doing everything now, but when the US moved in, they destroyed a fair bit...
Actually, yes, you did. France said that Iraq was not sufficiently compliant, but not that they were in breach of the resolution. They may have believed that the resolution allowed more time.lowing wrote:
ummmmmm according to the link I provided France admitted by March 17 that Iraq was not compliant or did I mis read that?
Gee and to think the cease fire wouldn't have had to end, if Iraq would only comply to that which they agreed, and stop playing bullshit games with the UN and its inspectors.Konfusion0 wrote:
Hmm...well, the US didn't exactly stroll in, did they? And I guess for you, killing hundreds with chemical weapons doesn't count, but ok...lowing wrote:
The terrorists and the insurgency are the ones blowing the shit outta Iraq not the US. More civilians die at the hands of the terrorists than the US military I think. The terrorist are the ones that are keeping Iraq unstable, not the US effort. Unless of course you want show links where the terrorists are the ones stringing electricity and building schools and homes in Iraq.Konfusion0 wrote:
I think it's great that the US got rid of Hussein, just not so good that they destroyed so much of Iraq in the process... The only thing I have against the US is that they insult both my native countries on a regular basis
Switzerland: about moneylaundering etc
Brazil: just simply make it impossible for us to enter the US, and if we try to return the 'favor' we get boycotted from everything
It is perfectly clear to me that the terrorists are doing everything now, but when the US moved in, they destroyed a fair bit...
LOL, so not being compliant and not being sufficiently compliant is different how?? Also in my book, NOT being sufficiently compliant is the same as NOT being FULLY compliant.Bubbalo wrote:
Actually, yes, you did. France said that Iraq was not sufficiently compliant, but not that they were in breach of the resolution. They may have believed that the resolution allowed more time.lowing wrote:
ummmmmm according to the link I provided France admitted by March 17 that Iraq was not compliant or did I mis read that?
I guess it is kinda like a woman not being pregant, only kinda pregnant. Please you are killing me with the word games.
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Did you even read what I said? The fact that they weren't sufficiently compliant at that time, didn't mean they weren't allowed more time according to the resolution.
its a small motherfucking worldTXVeteran512 wrote:
This sums it all up. i did spend a year in iraq (March 04 to March 05). The Insurgents dont folllow any real kinda of rules. its a sad thing. but we have to realize by doing the right thing is what sets us aside.=JoD=Corithus wrote:
The fact that we have a set of principles and guidelines we follow, even in the heat of armed conflict is what sets us apart from these animals. The wounded soldier you mention was no longer a threat to them or their goals, his execution is nothing but a perfect example of the lack of humanity these insurgent creatures have.
ahhhh ahhh ahhh ah, ahhhh ahhhh ahhhh ahh aaaaaaaaahhhpaches
we were in the same company, im trying to figure out who you are man.
if you are who I think you are, holy shit then we've known eachother for years
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So they thought that 10 years of bullshit by them could have been extended even longer and they only needed a little more time to be fully compliant??Bubbalo wrote:
Did you even read what I said? The fact that they weren't sufficiently compliant at that time, didn't mean they weren't allowed more time according to the resolution.
But according to you they were not breaking any resolutions at all, so how can you claim that maybe they thought they needed more time to comply if they weren't in violation in the first place??
No, they'd started down the right road, and were going down it. And I did say they weren't breaking the resolution, but resolutions typically have timeframes to be done by. To break they have to not meet requirements based on time.
everybody give TXVeteran512 karma
Ok, so lets say Iraq failed to comply with UN resolutions just for argument's sake. If that is the case, than it is up to the UN security council to enforce compliance. However, only 2 of the 5 permanent members of the UN SC took part in the Coalition. The U.S. and U.K.lowing wrote:
So they thought that 10 years of bullshit by them could have been extended even longer and they only needed a little more time to be fully compliant??Bubbalo wrote:
Did you even read what I said? The fact that they weren't sufficiently compliant at that time, didn't mean they weren't allowed more time according to the resolution.
But according to you they were not breaking any resolutions at all, so how can you claim that maybe they thought they needed more time to comply if they weren't in violation in the first place??
When a 'war' is being waged in your home land rules of engagement can go out the window. When you are looking at wounded troops, who CAN'T fight back then you would hope some ethics would be used. Those are ignored at times by heated up troops. You have to look no further than our own police force at times to see this. If a war came to our country's land like it's been brought to the middle east...I guarantee you that you would see similar acts performed by 'local zealots' who may have lost a loved one in earlier actions.
I don't want to sound like a bleeding heart liberal in this. I have friends who are currently serving in this theatre and a brother who just returned as a 'deeply scared' medic (he turned down the opportunity to appear on HBO's program...but leant a voice track). I'm just trying to post the other side of the coin. Because for every yin there's a yang, and for every redcoat there's a patriot...
I don't want to sound like a bleeding heart liberal in this. I have friends who are currently serving in this theatre and a brother who just returned as a 'deeply scared' medic (he turned down the opportunity to appear on HBO's program...but leant a voice track). I'm just trying to post the other side of the coin. Because for every yin there's a yang, and for every redcoat there's a patriot...
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No not in this case, they were complying with some of the resolutions, up until they kicked out the UN inspectors. After they broke resolutions that they already had been complying with, there really is no sense in a time limit to restart is there??Bubbalo wrote:
No, they'd started down the right road, and were going down it. And I did say they weren't breaking the resolution, but resolutions typically have timeframes to be done by. To break they have to not meet requirements based on time.
But you refer to the resolution made after they kicked out the inspectors, not before.
LOL, uhh once again, you said earlier that they never breached their obligations to the UN and the cease fire agreements that they signed off on. Now you are admitting that they did in fact kick out the inspectors ( which was clearly a breach of the resolutions set forth by the UN.Bubbalo wrote:
But you refer to the resolution made after they kicked out the inspectors, not before.
They were stalling for time during all the "negotiations" as to who, what, when, and where the UN inspections were to start again. You are nuts to think that Iraq needed 10 years to start RE-complying with their obligations to the cease fire. If you see it as anything other than stall tactics, ( probably to get their WMD's out of the country) you ARE as naive as all your liberal comrades.......LOL, comrades,........no pun intended.