Seether wrote:
I'd say this would be a microcosm of the US, and the world as a whole, wouldn't you? Even in the US, there is a very vocal majority which believes the war in Iraq is going badly, from a world perspective, it's safe to say the overwhelming majority believes the war in Iraq is going badly. I'm not trying to necessarily subscribe to the "might makes right" philosophy, but I think it should at least be considered.
Calling this forum a microcosm of the U.S. is a bit of a stretch. The demographics here are not a true sample of the U.S. population. I would say that 75% here are under 25, 95% male. This is hardly a true representation of the likely voter or the population as a whole. I agree on the vocal issue but again differ on your assessment of majority. I point to today’s house vote where 42 Democrats broke with their party to support a Republican resolution on Iraq. I would also like to point that the resolution contained language that links the War on Terror to our involvement in Iraq. So much for your ‘
overwhelming majority’.
Seether wrote:
And yes, I do personally believe the war is going badly, we were led there for illegitimate reasons, but I don't actually think it's right to cut and run at this point either. I do think we should hold the current administration responsible for what they did, but sadly, the November 2004 elections didn't do that.
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I also disagree on that point as well. The war is going much better than you think. You are being fed a steady diet of doom and gloom by the mainstream media and from the hard left. Last night all three major networks led off with the story highlighting the number of soldiers who have lost their lives and relegated the document I have listed to bit reporting. When was the last time you heard of new schools being built? New hospitals? Good news of any sort coming from Iraq?
As for the so called ‘illegitimate’ reasons, you must disabused of that notion. It is a hangover from Democratic rhetoric that ‘Bush lied’, when in fact it was they were stretching the truth. I was even able to convince the estimable Marconius of this in another post…. See
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=10924&p=3 and
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=10924&p=4 Further support for the document lies in the recent raids performed since the butcher al-Zarqawi was sent to meet his maker.
AP wrote:
Post-al-Zarqawi raids kill 104 insurgents
Staff and agencies
15 June, 2006
By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq - American and Iraqi forces have carried out 452 raids since last week‘s killing of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and 104 insurgents were killed during those actions, the U.S. military said Thursday.
He said 255 of the raids were joint operations, while 143 were carried out by Iraqi forces alone. The raids also resulted in the captures of 759 "anti-Iraqi elements."
© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
http://www.newsone.ca/ottawarecorder/st … ;id=195046
This rash of raids smack of having found other significant intel from the raid on Zarqawi’s ‘safehouse’.
As for the document being ‘convenient’, hell yes it is. How better to further demoralize your enemy then to parade such a document in their collective faces.
To majorspittle and herr_smitty and others involved, this thread wasn’t started to discuss the relative merits of capitalism vs. communism and while I have strong feelings on the issue, please use or start another thread to continue that discussion.
