| Yes - definite cheat | 51% | 51% - 158 | ||||
| No - no cheat | 36% | 36% - 113 | ||||
| What's a macro? | 11% | 11% - 36 | ||||
| Total: 307 | ||||||
If you read part of the thread, you'd see that the guy is spamming the fire key for DAO with the push of a single button...joker3327 wrote:
This is going to get silly...next people will be asking if using a Z Board is cheating ...or a higher resolution mouse...
FFS its a game play it how you want to....it changes nothing in the REAL WORLD!
It's so true! Like I said before, my joystick came with an advert for BF2 and my joystick also comes with a macro programme so would EA advertise their product with another if they didn't support it??????joker3327 wrote:
This is going to get silly...next people will be asking if using a Z Board is cheating ...or a higher resolution mouse...
FFS its a game play it how you want to....it changes nothing in the REAL WORLD!
So? That's really just lazyness, it doesn't increase the fire rate of the dao and it's only a handicap on him.sgt_mango333 wrote:
If you read part of the thread, you'd see that the guy is spamming the fire key for DAO with the push of a single button...
This isn't a peripheral issue or a key binding issue.
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Problem is you don't get the deviance with this like on an auto weapon. So he, in effect, has created an auto shotty.Defiance wrote:
So? That's really just lazyness, it doesn't increase the fire rate of the dao and it's only a handicap on him.sgt_mango333 wrote:
If you read part of the thread, you'd see that the guy is spamming the fire key for DAO with the push of a single button...
This isn't a peripheral issue or a key binding issue.
If he shoots all his shots at once, you know what he is? Out of ammo.
How does he bypass the deviance? It doesn't interfere with game mechanics, it's just registering alot of button hits.sgt_mango333 wrote:
Problem is you don't get the deviance with this like on an auto weapon. So he, in effect, has created an auto shotty.Defiance wrote:
So? That's really just lazyness, it doesn't increase the fire rate of the dao and it's only a handicap on him.sgt_mango333 wrote:
If you read part of the thread, you'd see that the guy is spamming the fire key for DAO with the push of a single button...
This isn't a peripheral issue or a key binding issue.
If he shoots all his shots at once, you know what he is? Out of ammo.
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Stop playing video games and using a computer then.=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:
Damn I'm gonna post a vid later and you will see that my DAO fires no faster than someone spamming it manually, I just don't want RSI!!!
It doesn't? what the hell I have I been wasting my time on for all these yearsDefiance wrote:
How does he bypass the deviance? It doesn't interfere with game mechanics, it's just registering alot of button hits.sgt_mango333 wrote:
Problem is you don't get the deviance with this like on an auto weapon. So he, in effect, has created an auto shotty.Defiance wrote:
So? That's really just lazyness, it doesn't increase the fire rate of the dao and it's only a handicap on him.
If he shoots all his shots at once, you know what he is? Out of ammo.
That's like saying your penis gets bigger if you pull on it...
Yours doesn't?Defiance wrote:
How does he bypass the deviance? It doesn't interfere with game mechanics, it's just registering alot of button hits.sgt_mango333 wrote:
Problem is you don't get the deviance with this like on an auto weapon. So he, in effect, has created an auto shotty.Defiance wrote:
So? That's really just lazyness, it doesn't increase the fire rate of the dao and it's only a handicap on him.
If he shoots all his shots at once, you know what he is? Out of ammo.
That's like saying your penis gets bigger if you pull on it...
if you read it.....it is a peripheral issue...he is binding an action to a key....a key is attached to a peripheral....if he can do it then whoopeee I have a Z Board my keys are all bound differently by default .....sgt_mango333 wrote:
If you read part of the thread, you'd see that the guy is spamming the fire key for DAO with the push of a single button...joker3327 wrote:
This is going to get silly...next people will be asking if using a Z Board is cheating ...or a higher resolution mouse...
FFS its a game play it how you want to....it changes nothing in the REAL WORLD!
This isn't a peripheral issue or a key binding issue.
By that logic, binding a key to open the chat box is cheating. You're programming the computer to do something, and that something is on said key press, open chat box.Jussimies wrote:
Yes definitely macros are cheating, cause the you program your computer to do something. If you buy a new high-resolution mouse, keyboard or joystick, that ain't cheating cause you still play yourself and computer doesn't play for you.
You're making it sound as if I have macros that play a whole round for me whilst I go out for the day. Try using a macro prog with BF2 and then come back and tell me exactly how much of an advantage it has given you....Jussimies wrote:
Yes definitely macros are cheating, cause the you program your computer to do something. If you buy a new high-resolution mouse, keyboard or joystick, that ain't cheating cause you still play yourself and computer doesn't play for you.
That makes alot of sense, good post, but the reason you can't alter the FOV is because if the option is there, hack makers will find a way to give you a 360 degree view on any monitor.chuckle_hound wrote:
It's funny to think that gaming is the only "sport" where the use of helping aids is frowned on.
In running, you need some good shoes. Often, between two players of equal skill it's their shoes that would make the difference. The same in football, good grip is essential for ball control.
Tennis raquets, badminton, swimming trunks and caps, the whole lot gives people an edge when their normal skills can't get any further. That's not to say a bad player can suddenly become godlike with a better monitor, mouse or even a set of weapon macros. If this is a decent hack, then everyone who wants to be competitive will use it. And eventually it'll be added to some sort of punkbuster blacklist or stopped in some official capacity.
(Additional thought for the day)
And it's not just macros that are stopped. Let's say you buy a widescreen monitor to get a wide FOV. That's the same as buying a better pair of trainers isn't it? And yet most competitive online games don't let you alter the FOV so you lose a section of the top and bottom rather than gaining side views. Is that really fair for the game maker to say that you can get a benefit from a faster graphics card or processor but not a wider monitor?
So would you say the guy with a macro to spam the fire button (to avaoid RSI?) has an unfair advantage over the guys manually firing all not long?MuseSeeker wrote:
Im NOT taking sides but can anyone just clarify this, macro are made or used with a program but the ROE says
"...or cheats for the purposes of giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players.
This would include but not limited to:
* § MS/X and other 3rd party software. <<<<
* § Modification of weapons code, aka Tank turrets exploit.
* § CVAR hacks which would make players appear Neon
* § CVAR hacks that let players see thru walls or buildings
* § Mini-Map hack so all players are visible
* § Modification of Player Names which would alter their size or colors.
* § Items not included in this list would be up to EA & DICE to interpret."
If EA though using a Macro was cheating surely they would have mentioned it?sgt_mango333 wrote:
So would you say the guy with a macro to spam the fire button (to avaoid RSI?) has an unfair advantage over the guys manually firing all not long?MuseSeeker wrote:
Im NOT taking sides but can anyone just clarify this, macro are made or used with a program but the ROE says
"...or cheats for the purposes of giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players.
This would include but not limited to:
* § MS/X and other 3rd party software. <<<<
* § Modification of weapons code, aka Tank turrets exploit.
* § CVAR hacks which would make players appear Neon
* § CVAR hacks that let players see thru walls or buildings
* § Mini-Map hack so all players are visible
* § Modification of Player Names which would alter their size or colors.
* § Items not included in this list would be up to EA & DICE to interpret."
Damnit you beat me. Macros are quite common and are definetly going to come to the minds of the ROE writers. I'm sure EA had a discussion quite like this on the topic of macros.joker3327 wrote:
If EA though using a Macro was cheating surely they would have mentioned it?