Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7112
some of you may remember a thread a while back where i was asking for suggestions for my new rig.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=22118

well, the parts got here recently and i've assembled the thing. here is what i went with

mainboard - biostar nf4ul-a9
proc          - amd athlon 4200+ x2
hdd           - wd caviar se16 250gb sata 7200 rpm
memory    - 2x1gb g. skill ddr400 2.5-3-3-6 in dual channel
gpu           - xfx 7900gt 256 mb
sound        - creative x-fi xtrememusic
psu           - enermax elt500awt 500w SLI [22a @ 12v]
case, peripherals, etc.

running winxp pro sp2 corp edition

as mentioned in the previous thread, this is my first build from scratch, so problems are expected. well, it's certainly met that expectation.

windows itself seems to bluescreen whenever i have too many things going on at once, which is contrary to how a dual core setup should be performing. the sound will sometimes not work, but can be fixed by toggling the x-fi's mode of operation. STEAM does something strange - it opens up multiple windows once i am logged in, none of which do anything. they can't be closed and do not show up in task manager, they are just buttons in the taskbar with the STEAM logo.

now, on to bf2. i've never actually gotten to the game, the menu has thus far crashed before i can get anywhere. while configuring my controls, everything seemed normal, until i tried to rebind the radio key [default T]. bf2 refused to let me click on it, freezing up for a few seconds but then returning to normal. further attempts result in more of the same. after a few minutes in the menu, the video freezes completely, while the sound will cut in and out. at this point the entire system is frozen, bf2 cannot be isolated and shutdown to regain control.

according to speedfan, my cpu is idling at 40 deg C. i don't know what its temperature is under load because, well, nothing heavy has been able to run so far.

what i have done:

updated all drivers[nforce, video, audio, amd x2 cpu]
updated windows, including dual core hotfix
set bf2 affinity to single core

what i plan to do:

run memtest to diagnose RAM for faults
attempt to install ut2k4 and farcry
watch for changes as the 'burn-in period' elapses
disable firewalls and try bf2 again

whew....ok, that is the situation thus far. I NEED YOUR HELP! the system is pretty unstable at the moment. if anyone has any ideas how to make windows run better, or to fix the problems with bf2, that would be very helpful.
T0rr3nt
Member
+54|6869|Michigan
ew biostar.
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6887|Ohio, USA
try updating your bios.

and agreed T0rr3nt, lol.
acdc
Member
+37|6867|SEATTLE, WA
Does your motherboard have onboard sound?  If true, try disabling it.

It sounds like bad memory or a bad install of XP.

You also installed the driver and the hot fixes for the X2, so that's weird. 

You made sure you checked the QVL for your motherboard for compatibility issues right?

Also, I heard simliar problem stories with the X-FI like you have, I'm scared to buy one.

If you could re trace your steps I would have bought -

Asus or MSI mobo

4400 X2

Corsair of OCZ ram

PC P & C or Antec PSU
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,058|7063|PNW

I remember that thread. Did somebody actually recommend a biostar motherboard over ASUS and DFI, or did a guy at a retailer push it on you? They actually brag about bronze medals and Czech awards on their website...with flashing yellow "new" explosion icons.

Anyway, as this is a new build, make sure everything's seated properly.

Blue screens sometimes point towards memory issues. Download a copy of memtest86, burn it to a boot CD (instructions easily available on google), and test those gskills. Before you update the bios, be sure your video and audio drivers are updated, and that Windows is using the proper mainboard-related drivers as well. After that's all finished, run the thing through Windows update. Make sure you download that dual core patch from AMD. Once all that's done, and if there's still something flakey, then update the bios.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-23 23:19:11)

Hyper
Banned
+154|7042
i vote for a craptastical install of XP
it happens
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7008
sounds like XP, but i might refund the ram to get higher quality ones (cl 2, high performance, dont get the value crap)
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Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7112
going with biostar was my own decision. no retailer employee was involved in any step of the process.

onboard sound has been disabled in BIOS, i skipped the sound drivers when loading the motherboard drivers, as i had no use for them.

i am posting from work. when i get home it will be memtest. if the memory tests ok, i will try reinstalling XP.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

...and that Windows is using the proper mainboard-related drivers as well. After that's all finished, run the thing through Windows update. Make sure you download that dual core patch from AMD. Once all that's done, and if there's still something flakey, then update the bios.
the thing through windows update? what are you referring to? and making sure windows is using the proper mainboard-related drivers, i'm not sure what you mean.

i updated BIOS before even installing any of the other drivers, because on POST it wasn't recognizing my processor. a search on the biostar website revealed an update to include dual core support, so it was one of the first things i did.

Last edited by Krappyappy (2006-05-24 05:22:10)

slo5oh
Member
+28|6952
DOOOD!

don't just poke around in the dark.  You've got a powerful OS trying to tell you what's wrong.  Here's what you do:
right click "my computer"
left click "properties"
left click "advanced" tab
left click "settings" under "startup and recovery"
remove check mark from "automatically restart"

next time it gives you a BSOD
write down the stop code 0x00000XXXX (that's an example) and what file if any it says was the problem.

With this information you can google and get an idea of what's wrong.
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|6872

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Blue screens sometimes point towards memory issues.
This has 'memory issues' written all over it. I'm willing to bet you have non-matching ram, since i'm guessing you bought one extra stick to add in - even if they are the same speeds etc they may still not match. Feew things running = not much ram used, Lots running = more used, until windows throws a fit and crashes. I will bet that if you take out one stick it will run fine - try it...

Edit: I also bet that memtest32 wont show any errors. Run with 1 stick first - I'm speaking from experience here!

Last edited by AT3am_Murd0ch (2006-05-24 14:45:12)

Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7112

AT3am_Murd0ch wrote:

This has 'memory issues' written all over it. I'm willing to bet you have non-matching ram, since i'm guessing you bought one extra stick to add in - even if they are the same speeds etc they may still not match. Feew things running = not much ram used, Lots running = more used, until windows throws a fit and crashes. I will bet that if you take out one stick it will run fine - try it...
you just lost a bet. the sticks are a matching dual channel kit, but they do show no errors, like you say.

without my having changed anything, bf2 ran much better today. i was able to get through controls configuration, and actually got things loaded. everything on high at 1280x1040, getting consistently smooth framerates.

then i had to shut it down and go do something else. when i came back and tried again, bf2 crashed to desktop. even so, this is an improvement, as only bf2 is crashing and it's not freezing the entire OS.

will rerun memtest with different memory configurations to see if anything changes.
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|6872
Hmmm good work getting the dual-channel kit - most people forget to! I have had BF2 crash to desktop since patching to 1.3, and i think a lot of people are experiencing that! I would definitely try playing bf2 with a single gig of memory for an extended time, and try it with both sticks alternately. If this doesn't show anything, then i think you can clear the memory issues... However, i would also try turning off the windows paging file and then restarting, adn see if that helps - That should increase the amount of RAM use and defo prove your memory is fine... After that, I'm afraid you're gonna ahve to go with some knida reinstall of windows, although i would try a repair install before a complete wipe...

Edit: Did you put the system together and throw in a HDD with windows on from your previous setup, or is it a completely fresh install?

Last edited by AT3am_Murd0ch (2006-05-25 07:09:36)

slo5oh
Member
+28|6952
Do you have your windows cache (swap disk) disabled?  I tried this when I only had 1 gig of ram and although BF2 started and played much better, I did start crashing either to desktop or with a hard lockup until I reenabled the swap disk.
Voo
Member
+-5|7130
Have you checked that your ram, motherboard and CPU are compatible with each other?

AT3am_Murd0ch wrote:

Edit: Did you put the system together and throw in a HDD with windows on from your previous setup, or is it a completely fresh install?
I'm also wondering the same...
crownvic96
Member
+5|6846
test each stick of memory doing the same things that are causing windows to crash now.

how's the airflow in your case? could something be overheating and forcing a  shutdown(probably not likely but worth looking into)
{CN}420
Member
+30|6969
Did you setup your bios? How many fans do you have? Did you put enough heat gel on your cpu? (I ask and that was the reason my friends computer was so unstable)

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