Community Update - 5/09/06

2006-05-09 12:32:16

#1

cheshiremoe: Evil Geniuses for a sparsely populated tomorrow; +50|6987

Quote from EA BF2 site.

Community Update - 5/09/06

Greetings Soldiers:

We at DICE and EA are aware of the concern surrounding the coming change to squad selection. We would like to take a moment to ease the feelings of tension related to this change.

Our goal is to refocus game play on team work, squad coordination and to also remove the spawning exploit used by some. In BF2 we introduced tools that would allow players to support one another as they battle for control points. To further enhance this aspect of game play squads were introduced to give players even more tools to coordinate their efforts and support each other.

Allowing squad mates to spawn on the squad leader was intended to provide an easy way for squads to stay together during chaotic battles. Unfortunately squad leaders have been used by some to launch team wide attacks on remote parts of maps with little thought to actual team unity beyond these maneuvers.

We believe this change will refocus the game play on team work and add more value to the roles of Squad Lead and Commander.

/The team at Dice and EA

I have seen a lot of you guys post about the not wanting them change the squad spawn. We got there attention with the petition I guess, but do some of you guy think there is an exploit. Is this just EA dodgeing that they are changing something that a large portion of the community does not want changed?

Personaly I think that the squad system should be much farther down the "To Do List" if changed at all. What about all the bugs that still have not been fixed. like the name tag bugs where someone form the other team shows up in your squad creating a 7 person squad that you can't leave or the jamed lasser missiles on the jets.

2006-05-09 12:36:15

#2

TheDarkRaven: ATG's First Disciple; +263|6902|Birmingham, UK

There was nothing wrong with the Squad part of the game - as far as I am concerned.

2006-05-09 12:40:27

#3

_The.Don_05: Im super serial; +58|6861|England

Nice Find +1

I agree that they should foucs on other problems before they even attempted to sort this one out.

Anyone got any updated news on when the release date of this might be?

2006-05-09 12:44:07

#4

OrangeHound: Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...; +1,335|6927|Washington DC

I don't see it as a big problem, and I think that it doesn't really affect the game play ... if EA wants to implement a change, then I suppose that is their perogative.

What are some game-play issues that I would put at a higher priority? Well, the red-tag bug can be very annoying, particularly when I've got the red-tag. It is my top priority ...

2006-05-09 12:45:21

#5

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,981|6910|949

I honestly have no problem with the new changes to squadleader spawning. I take advantage of it all the time, but have no problem with them changing it. I think it is an exploit, in that you are taking advantage of something that was not meant to be used for that purpose.

2006-05-09 12:45:49

#6

comet241: Member; +164|7043|Normal, IL

i can see both sides of the argument, and i agree with certain points on both sides. however, if i was to say anything, i would say take away the ability to switch squad leaders and instantly be able to spawn on the other guy. it's too easy and isn't very strategic in a military sense, in my opinion. sure, i love for my friends to spawn on my when im piloting the chopper, back and forth is one of us dies, but when you are trying to root out a stubborn squad behind your lines, the switching can get annoying

let me say that in a military sense, the squad leader should act more like a squad leader in bf2 then he currently does at this time. he should be more like a mini commander, which he kinda is. i would love to see the squad leader be able to do a limited amount of things.... calling in laser guided bombs by training a laser on it only usable by the squad leader.... getting supplies dropped on them.... maybe acting as a mobile kit changing location, like in some games where you can switch kits without dying.... acting like a squad leader really should act like.... just my 2 cents...

2006-05-09 12:47:44

#7

Gladiator08: Russell Crowe's Loin Cloth; +49|6991|Philadelphia, PA

bullshit thats not an exploit. i think using that tactic actually makes squads more important. now that u cant do that, squads wll become to some, not all, will become useless

2006-05-09 12:51:40

#8

GotMex?: $623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt; +193|7041

Me and my squadmates would raid the carrier on Wake by using this technique. We are just 4 people and would manage to stay on the carrier the whole round scoring really high scores... People would bash us for not helping out the team all the time... but considering that we would destroy any JSF taking off, and the cobra would usually stay on the carrier trying to kill us, I'd say we helped out more than any of the other players ever did. (OH yea, and can't forget the people that woudl spawn on carrier EVERY SINGLE TIME, even though they had other flags capped). This of course was possible by everyone leaving the squad when we died and then spawning with the last guy alive. I am sad to see this go, because it was one of the best advantages we had playing as squads. I guess we'll just have to keep our squad leader alive from now on.

2006-05-09 12:51:55

#9

M1-Lightning: Jeepers Creepers; +136|7009|Peoria, Illinois

Boycott the patch!!! Those morons are taking away the teamwork. EA sucks my ass.

https://www.digitalgladiators.com/modules/Forums/images/avatars/gallery/EAsucks.gif

"Unfortunately squad leaders have been used by some to launch team wide attacks on remote parts of maps"

Team wide my ass, you can only have 5 players spawn on a squad leader. BS! It's hard enough just to get 2-3 of those 5 to spawn on you.

Dice sucks my ass.

Last edited by M1-Lightning (2006-05-09 12:56:41)

2006-05-09 13:19:31

#10

[TUF]Whiskey_Oktober: mmmm...Toasty!; +91|7000|Oregon

however, every member of a squad can then make their own squad, allowing 5 more people can spawn on each of them..my clan tried this once in a TWL match, and it failed what we were hoping it would acchieve, distract the enemy back, then have 1/2 the team hold off while the other 1/2 rushes the remaining flags FTW....we did get the orriginal flag in about 3 seconds tho

2006-05-09 13:23:00

#11

[TUF]Whiskey_Oktober: mmmm...Toasty!; +91|7000|Oregon

well, in all that i forgot to mention my views on this change:

1: we were all pissed about the changes to chopper rockets and TV bombs, but those worked out, right?

2: i will likely be playing GRAW before the patch comes out...i am moving my base their once i get to Captain in BF2 (3500 pts!), but i will still play BF2 (my second FPS, my first being BF1942).

3: im shure we will all adapt...and im not even shure, are they removing squads completely, or are they making squads so members are locked at the start of game? i guess we minght have to wait and see, meh?

2006-05-09 13:24:59

#12

l41e: Member; +677|6926

M1-Lightning wrote:
Boycott the patch!!! Those morons are taking away the teamwork. EA sucks my ass.

http://www.digitalgladiators.com/module … Asucks.gif

"Unfortunately squad leaders have been used by some to launch team wide attacks on remote parts of maps"

Team wide my ass, you can only have 5 players spawn on a squad leader. BS! It's hard enough just to get 2-3 of those 5 to spawn on you.

Dice sucks my ass.

I think they meant:

Squad leader makes a squad, goes near a flag.
Squad fills up, all spawn...then leave the squad immediately.
5 more people spawn and leave the squad.
5 more people spawn and leave the squad.

Until a whole sh*tload of people is at the flag. Then everyone runs away, the enemy commander gets no kills of arty (if he does they rejoin the squad and spawn).

2006-05-09 13:27:29

#13

Viper38: Member; +118|6948

cheshiremoe wrote:
Is this just EA dodging that they are changing something that a large portion of the community does not want changing?

YES.

+1 for your efforts.

Last edited by Viper38 (2006-05-09 13:31:13)

2006-05-09 13:30:00

#14

Naughty_Om: Im Ron Burgundy?; +355|6911|USA

This makes me VERY happy....Bf2, finally. a TEAM GAME.

2006-05-09 13:35:35

#15

M1-Lightning: Jeepers Creepers; +136|7009|Peoria, Illinois

k30dxedle wrote:
M1-Lightning wrote:
Boycott the patch!!! Those morons are taking away the teamwork. EA sucks my ass.

http://www.digitalgladiators.com/module … Asucks.gif

"Unfortunately squad leaders have been used by some to launch team wide attacks on remote parts of maps"

Team wide my ass, you can only have 5 players spawn on a squad leader. BS! It's hard enough just to get 2-3 of those 5 to spawn on you.

Dice sucks my ass.
I think they meant:

Squad leader makes a squad, goes near a flag.
Squad fills up, all spawn...then leave the squad immediately.
5 more people spawn and leave the squad.
5 more people spawn and leave the squad.

Until a whole sh*tload of people is at the flag. Then everyone runs away, the enemy commander gets no kills of arty (if he does they rejoin the squad and spawn).

Not once since this game has come out have I ever seen 15 players on a public server perform such a feat. I can only imagine this would be possible on a clan server stacking sides, which no one would want to play on anyway. Not once have I seen that. But I do see a handfull of bugs on a daily basis that this community and many others have complained about that still haven't been fixed.

There are consideribly more players that like this squad option more than I've seen complain about it. EA sure knows priorities. BF2 is losing more players daily than it's bringing in because of new mods, different games, or sheer boredom of the same maps being played over and over.

2006-05-09 13:38:22

#16

ATC: Member; +58|7022|...

EA should at least attempt to do what their customers ask, just once!!

2006-05-09 13:43:49

#17

INCSOC: Member since 1984; +113|6957|Denver, CO

wake island is gonna be a real tough game now from the US side... people will be stuck on the damn carrier since all the vehicles already took off with 1-2 people in them and you can't spawn on them.... In addition to constant rape from J-10s it's gonna be a real fun experience... just not for you

edit: here's that link for the petition if you have not signed it yet:
http://www.bf2.se/petition/?list=1

Last edited by INCSOC (2006-05-09 13:46:54)

2006-05-09 13:45:47

#18

liquidat0r: wtf.; +2,223|6905|UK

TheDarkRaven wrote:
There was nothing wrong with the Squad part of the game - as far as I am concerned.

ditto

2006-05-09 13:48:18

#19

nieker: THE FLYING DUTCH PENGUIN, THE NINTENDO PENGUIN; +191|6905|The Netherlands

what about all sending a e-mail to ea whit vitrual autograps or something

2006-05-09 14:30:34

#20

SamuraiDogg: Member; +2|6895|Germany | Nationality Turkish

omg they really think they can force teamplay with this feature.
teamplay is a matter of the players character...

2006-05-09 14:50:41

#21

M1-Lightning: Jeepers Creepers; +136|7009|Peoria, Illinois

SamuraiDogg wrote:
omg they really think they can force teamplay with this feature.
teamplay is a matter of the players character...

Exactly. And now we'll have a whole lot more teamkilling, vehicle whoring, and base raping since players won't be able to spawn on squadleaders when they first join the squad.

If EA really wanted to help the teamwork issue they'd give players a team point every time they spawn on their squadleader.

2006-05-09 14:53:13

#22

Chorcai: Member; +49|6926|Ireland

well this will turn me right aafff BF2 now, next the'll have us taking the flags one by one in a set way..... oh well best enjoy it while it lasts.

Last edited by Chorcai (2006-05-09 14:53:35)

2006-05-09 15:15:15

#23

137[CSi]: Headshot Specialist; +104|7115|Woodland Hills, Ca

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I honestly have no problem with the new changes to squadleader spawning. I take advantage of it all the time, but have no problem with them changing it. I think it is an exploit, in that you are taking advantage of something that was not meant to be used for that purpose.

I think the people with little to no teamwork points are the ones complaining about this the most, if you do not feel this is an exploit in the least bit you're wrong. You complain about everything that makes the game hard for you. They nerf it and you're happy, they made the videogame and they feel something that you can use is an exploit, so they change it. And yet you complain still!

I say play the game, and adapt, or play something else. BF2142 is coming out soon and most likely will get the attention of everyone who plays bf2 and cannot hack it now. So I am assuming the less skilled will flock to that game expecting something majorly different. Which to me is hillarious

2006-05-09 15:17:55

#24

E^vo1: Member; +-1|7004|Canada

A lot of people don't even join a squad at all, and even when they do, as a commander, you can see that the squad members of each squad are all over the place, and not working as a squad. This won't help that. Squad or not, a lot of players just play as "solo-soldiers".

2006-05-09 15:26:58

#25

-=256=-Evo_Wales: The New Evolution in gaming...; +14|7035|Cardiff, Wales

Just destroying a very valid Clan tactic!

Happened to us couple games ago on Wake. One USMC bailed, squaddie spawned on him --> new squad

BAM whole team at Airfield

Very good tactic that EA are going to ruin

BF2S Forums Community Update - 5/09/06

M1-Lightning wrote:

cheshiremoe wrote:

k30dxedle wrote:

M1-Lightning wrote:

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