BF2S Forums politics and the medic screw up wars and cause needless causualtys

The fact of the matter is both of the wars you mentioned were insurgency wars.  Those wars are won about .0001% of the time by military force.  that means 99.99% of the time the insurgents win, but not because they beat the occupying force.  Becasue they make the casulity rate so high that the cost just becomes too much.  Even our own military leaders have said that we won't win in Iraq through force, but by training the Iraqis to fend for and defend them selfs.  Once the Iraqi police/military become operational and the US leaves, things will settle down,

The military DOES draw up battle plans. The media doesn't draw them up. The media just criticises and takes sides on everything, not tell the soldiers what to do...

Capt. Foley wrote:

think about it
2 of the wars that the people were trying to practicly draw up the battle plans we are doing our worst in
Vietnam and Iraq

During Vietnam Politicions and the Media started trying 2 draw up battle plans for the soldiers to follow-we lost pretty much(would of been possible 2 win if we had the support of the nation for the just cause we were doing).

If I understand what you are saying, I agree.  The more technologically advanced we become, the higher the level at which practical military decisions are being made.  Back before high tech warfare, anyone who wasn't present at the scene of a fight, was unable to give instructions regarding its conduct.  First came radio, then telvision, and with them, commanders further and further behind the lines could stick their noses into it.  With the future warrior program, you will have Division and Corps commanders telling troops what to do on the ground!  I believe this is a recipie for getting soldiers killed.  Let those high ups deal with grand strategy, and let the senior NCOs and Junior officers conduct the small unit stuff, as is traditional.

The last thing, I, as a troop on the ground, want, is some General with little practical combat experience, telling me how to kill Sammie or Hajji, who is 250m in front of my face!

The same is true of those same Generals - The big plan is their area of expertise...with television, you have politicians seeing things they didn't in the past.  Of course they want to give their two cents, and they are often completely uninformed, but because of their postions, the Generals can't tell them to get lost.  How many Generals do you suspect would like to tell Rumsfeld to go F**k himself?

Yes the military is the best people to fight wars... not chicken-hawks like Rumsfeld, if anyone has been drawing up the wrong plans and not listening to the military it is him. The military is also not the best people to keep the peace, police forces are... The US military is geared up to fight the USSR not local gangs of Iraq and terrorist groups just look how quickly it killed off the actual Iraqi army and how much trouble it has now, the US should be sending in plenty of police and let the military back them up.

As for Vietnam, the US was defeated the moment it went in... well unless it nuked the place back to the stone age along with several surrounding countries (ie kill everyone).