VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|6925|Antarctica
Todd_Angelo I though you were playing as well, my apologies.  But the facts remain:  1.Sniper sucks, screens like you have happen once in a while, not every game.  2. He could have joined a squad, ANY other squad and not received an order.  You aren't supposed to follow what you read to the dot, surrender your squad to someone else or join one.  Use your brains people.  What business does a solo sniper have using one of your precious squad slots for anyways?  I will give you the benefit of the doubt on the last one, because sometimes no squads are filled.  But please, this isn't rocket science.

btw I just accidentialy gave you a karma, I don't know if its - or +.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6940|California

i believe he has the right to be a dick, if he truely is (i found him fun to play with when i did). Being in the top 10, i give him kudos for what he has accomplished.
Inc|LoKi
Member
+14|6788
I remember this incodent quite well....

At the time USMC was in possesion of the MEC factory the suburbs the square the train accident and cement factory.

90% of the server was fighting at the facotry.

The hotel was undifended so I asked the nearest squad to the hotel ( I dont care what class he is ive seen snipers attack flags before his problem not mine ) to move in on it and was promptly given the no way man several times.

This silly little sniper noob was content to sit in the uncap by the TOW waiting for somebody to snipe at although there were no enemies within 750 metres of him.

Trying to motivate i gave him the you have your orders soldier message and was rewarded with STFU via in game text

Attempting to shift this stupid sniper noob in the right direction, I tried to get him moving by dropping a supply crate on his head.......    he ran all of 2 meters to the left

A prompt artillary strike was enough to get him running in the correct direction though.

"Next time try following my orders, My grandmother could do better."

P.S. I know i was wasting commander resources but we were wining the round by 100 tickets so it wasnt going to matter.

Last edited by Inc|LoKi (2006-05-03 20:56:46)

Nickoflouse
Member
+2|6919|Iowa
I play as sniper class quite a bit.  I always find it fun getting a headshot on some guys and them no having a clue where it came from.  Isn't that the point of the game is to have fun? People spend money on a game to have fun.  Is it not why you bought this game is to have fun?  So his bro can have fun sniping.

*Edit* I see your point, Loki and I would have done the same thing, but I would have also told him that the flag was undefended.

Last edited by Nickoflouse (2006-05-03 20:37:59)

Freezer
Member
+4|6928
My head hurts....  Anyone want some cheese for all this WHINE  god damn just play the freaking game not like you are going to get a dishonorable discharge if you don't do as you are told.  All classes have their uses, what burns me is a damn commander that runs the hell around trying to cap flags and does NOTHING to help the people asking for supplies, UAV, Arty etc those are the fools that need to be kicked in the ass.  So what he blew up your brother who cares, sniff sniff...  Get over it   Don't you have something a little more constructive to do lik e getting your brother his knife badge or something.  You will never play a round in this game with out wanting to strangle a team mate or an opponent there are way too many fucktards in this game to worry about someone in the top 10 blowing up your brother, he could have at least attempted to move towards a flag to help out the team hell I would have run there nekkid with a cold hot dog as a weapon just because thats the whole point of the game kill and cap flags and defend the ones you have until your opponents tickets reach zero   Fun aint it..
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6847|Warlord

Inc|LoKi wrote:

I remember this incodent quite well....
No you don't; read the description again. But thanks for confirming what I suspected.
ScOrPiO-HeLiX
Member
+0|6788

Freezer wrote:

My head hurts....  Anyone want some cheese for all this WHINE  god damn just play the freaking game not like you are going to get a dishonorable discharge if you don't do as you are told.  All classes have their uses, what burns me is a damn commander that runs the hell around trying to cap flags and does NOTHING to help the people asking for supplies, UAV, Arty etc those are the fools that need to be kicked in the ass.  So what he blew up your brother who cares, sniff sniff...  Get over it   Don't you have something a little more constructive to do lik e getting your brother his knife badge or something.  You will never play a round in this game with out wanting to strangle a team mate or an opponent there are way too many fucktards in this game to worry about someone in the top 10 blowing up your brother, he could have at least attempted to move towards a flag to help out the team hell I would have run there nekkid with a cold hot dog as a weapon just because thats the whole point of the game kill and cap flags and defend the ones you have until your opponents tickets reach zero   Fun aint it..
totally agree why sit back
[n00b]Tyler
Banned
+505|6814|Iceland
THE most usless kit is Assult. I hate it but im using it to get Expert bagde -.-'' IT SUCKSSSSSS!
Knight`UK
Lollerstorycarpark
+371|6800|England
The people sticking up for loki are the fucktards here imho and they are only doing it to look good in his eyes because he is one of the top RANKED players in the world (doesnt make him one of the BEST players in the world though ).Spunking a arty to teamkill somebody is shit when if all he wants is the glory/points he should have been helping out the rest of the team first.

Loki i reckon your one of the biggest assholes out there tbh grow up and stop being a fucktard .Your RANK doesnt make you good .
duk0r
Administrator
+306|6887|Austin, TX

The fact of the matter is you were using your commander resources to kill your teammates. If you were up by 100 tickets then why even bother tking them? When I command and I get people that don't listen to me, I first try to be nice about it and then if they don't do anything then I just move on. Yeah he was a "n00b" because he just started playing the game, cut the dude some slack.
Use your commander resources on something that’s actually CONSTRUCTIVE and try not to worry what the 'noob' snipers are doing. Artillery should never hit your teammates innless it's an accident.
https://bf3s.com/sigs/a3a6d1102d14bf2f7e266fba7f728dc2cc38b316.png
joker3327
=IBF2=
+305|6818|Cheshire. UK
Ok now kiddies if you cant play nice together...dont play together ......If it makes things easier....you gotta remember the commander can see the bigger picture .....and Im sure if you can text STFU you can text WHY...
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6844|Birmingham, UK
The only experience of Loki is with NastieButler and some other guy from TOP. They were spawn-camping our right hand base. I had another guy in my squad (they were all medics, and so were we) and we somehow managed to push them back. It was a great game which I think we may have ended up losing (bad team) but I was, in a way, proud that my friend and I were able to push these people back.
WilhelmSissener
Banned
+557|6953|Oslo, Norway
who gives a shit?
Inc|Loki wanted them to attack because it is easy to take the hotel as snipers (claymores by entrance to the flag capping sone)
he also knew that it is not impossible totake a flag no-one is defendig

the other guy tried camping/defendig but no-one was attacking there so he told the commander (Inc|Loki) to stfu

wow, who gives a shit anyway?
antin0de
Member
+44|6887|SL,UT
What I've gathered so far:

You can play this game how you want.

If you don't play how others want, you get bitched at.  Don't worry about it.

Assigning an objective that's clear across the map is generally a bad idea.

Snipers, although annoying, can be an asset to the team.
   - They just shouldn't lead squads unless they're in a tactical spawning position.

Get the fuck off Counter-Stike at Karkand for a change.
   - Seriously.  Could it really be that much fun?  Or are you just comfortable?


Funny how these opinions come from different sides of the argument.

I think I played with Loki on Mass Destruction yesterday, or 2 days ago.  Who knows if it was this Loki, or someone else, but he was a helo-stealing pain in the ass!  No, not "stealing" from teammates (that's impossible*).  He was hovering by our helipad, keeping us from getting near our chopper while his teammate stole it.  Not to say that's wrong by any means; I just hate when I'm not the one doing it! 

* By "stealing" I assume some people's definition--that if someone's at the helo pad first, it's his chopper.  fuck that.  It's nobody's chopper until someone's in it.  Same goes with other vehicles.  If you're standing there waiting for it while it's clearly out and about, you deserve to be tea-bagged by a non-showering hippie.

** TK's for vehicles, now that's another story.  You deserve to be shit-battered and piss-fried.
KingLou
Banned
+79|6844|Las Vegas

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

Snipers are selfish....
Please say this 9 more times for me.  As part of a healthy, stress-free lifestyle I try to laugh whole heartedly at least 10 times a day........and YOU calling ANYONE selfish makes me about shit myself in hysterics.

KiL
WilhelmSissener
Banned
+557|6953|Oslo, Norway
awww PHOOEYH did you fail at camping, go to mommy!
VidSicious
Member
+25|6994
Wow... I can't believe the arrogance of people like Inc|Loki.  It is a freaking game.  The n00b has the right to play like he wants, camp to his heart's content, and get a low as score as possible.  There is a nice way to command and an arrogant asshat's way.  Loki chose the asshat way.  Send the guy a team message telling him there is no one around and he can move up to help improve his chances of sniping someone.  If he ignores it, leave him alone.  You can command the positive way or the negative way.  For christ's sake, some of the people playing are total n00bs, little kids (you think my 7yr old and 10 yr old are going to read some damn message!), or just having fun killing time between beers.  It is a public server, not a clan scrim or ladder.  Expect people to play selfishly on a public server and treat them appropriately.  If it was a scrim or ladder challenge it would have been appropriate to nail them, but it wasn't.  Loki should apologize for being an arrogant little teenager who thinks being a commander in a dam video game makes him special.  Grow up and learn some tolerance.  Nasty_Butler is a prick who tk'ed me out of a heli 3 times then sent me a private message here saying he now realized he was wrong and doesn't tk anymore.  Loki needs to grow up like Butler and let people play for fun and not be a bully.  If he can't laugh when someone types STFU to him then he needs to take a break from the GAME because he is not having fun.  I just laugh it off when I have my moments and turn into a 1 man army, kill a ton of guys, then get called a hack and every swear word in the book tossed my way.  I don't respond back like a juvi.  When I get tk'd, unless it was Nasty_Butler on purpose for a vehicle, I just take a deep breath, realize I was a n00b once too, and keep going.
Rumfuddle
Member
+14|6938
I am astounded by people willing to rationalize teamkilling a lone sniper with arty because he won't cap a flag.  Talk about a case of WTF.  Are you guys listening to yourselves?
Knight`UK
Lollerstorycarpark
+371|6800|England

VidSicious wrote:

Wow... I can't believe the arrogance of people like Inc|Loki.  It is a freaking game.  The n00b has the right to play like he wants, camp to his heart's content, and get a low as score as possible.  There is a nice way to command and an arrogant asshat's way.  Loki chose the asshat way.  Send the guy a team message telling him there is no one around and he can move up to help improve his chances of sniping someone.  If he ignores it, leave him alone.  You can command the positive way or the negative way.  For christ's sake, some of the people playing are total n00bs, little kids (you think my 7yr old and 10 yr old are going to read some damn message!), or just having fun killing time between beers.  It is a public server, not a clan scrim or ladder.  Expect people to play selfishly on a public server and treat them appropriately.  If it was a scrim or ladder challenge it would have been appropriate to nail them, but it wasn't.  Loki should apologize for being an arrogant little teenager who thinks being a commander in a dam video game makes him special.  Grow up and learn some tolerance.  Nasty_Butler is a prick who tk'ed me out of a heli 3 times then sent me a private message here saying he now realized he was wrong and doesn't tk anymore.  Loki needs to grow up like Butler and let people play for fun and not be a bully.  If he can't laugh when someone types STFU to him then he needs to take a break from the GAME because he is not having fun.  I just laugh it off when I have my moments and turn into a 1 man army, kill a ton of guys, then get called a hack and every swear word in the book tossed my way.  I don't respond back like a juvi.  When I get tk'd, unless it was Nasty_Butler on purpose for a vehicle, I just take a deep breath, realize I was a n00b once too, and keep going.
Well said m8 fucking well said +1 from me
Rumfuddle
Member
+14|6938

KingLou wrote:

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

Snipers are selfish....
Please say this 9 more times for me.  As part of a healthy, stress-free lifestyle I try to laugh whole heartedly at least 10 times a day........and YOU calling ANYONE selfish makes me about shit myself in hysterics.

KiL
I seem to remember the endless "why I hate the MP7" posts from Agamemnar from days of yore.  Now it has changed to "why I hate snipers" over and over and ....
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6847|Warlord
I don't think we need to keep beating up on Loki, he's amply answered the question in the thread title... haven't you mate

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

Todd_Angelo I though you were playing as well, my apologies.
Thank you. Should have thanked you last night but I was overdue logging off and just wanted to respond to Loki's post. Rereading my starting post I didn't describe things as clearly as I might have so I can see it would be easy to read it how you did. I meant he was practicing so that we could play as a three-man sniper squad in future.

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

...screens like you have happen once in a while, not every game.
Granted (for me at least) but snipers don't suck, only bad snipers suck. That's why I practice: 53% accuracy, 1.7 K/D ratio and SPM 1.6, and climbing.

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

Snipers are fucking useless.
A good example of where it can be useful to have at least one sniper is around the TV station on Sharqi where good placement of claymores (plus something or someone to keep them topped up) can really help deny the flag room to the enemy, plus they can pick off incoming threats on foot more effectively than any other class, and at longer ranges.

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

...especially when the team is being bled by flag caps...
I regularly have the most flag defends when playing my alternative account as sniper (roughly twice my caps for that account) which SAS helps us win.

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

Nothing annoys me more than idiot snipers... there they are, prone on some fucking roof with a finger up their ass... then, he gets artied... tries to go back to his sniper position and dies like 400 times attempting it.
You're tarring all snipers with the same brush here: bad snipers are not all snipers.

<{SoE}>Agamemnar wrote:

Snipers are gay.
-1, homophobic comments like this are moronic, intentionally bigoted or not. Most snipers are straight anyway, by the law of averages.

WilhelmSissener wrote:

who gives a shit?
Apart from just wanting to tell the story I was asking if he's generally a dick, or not - please note I didn't accuse him of being an asshat, I asked; basically I wanted to know if this had been an isolated incident, which it would appear it clearly was not since he mixed it up with another event LOL

WilhelmSissener wrote:

Inc|Loki wanted them to attack because it is easy to take the hotel as snipers (claymores by entrance to the flag capping sone)
You mean in addition to the other 20 other guys already swarming down the slopes toward Hotel and the two APCs and the tank? Besides, taking the heads off the enemy (or cutting their health down to half) the moment they respawn in the alleys to the west of the main road directly contributes to being able to take the hotel.

I don't think it was clear:
the round has just started; it was less than one minute in when the order first arrived, he hadn't even reached position on the west slope;
by the time he was artied (didn't kill him by the way, it was judged a little off and landed mostly behind him, who knows if it killed some other unsuspecting soul) I guess it was maybe five minutes into the game;
I checked last night to be sure, the range to the flag he was ordered to take is ~480m. Yeah lemme get right on that boss... how long does it take to leg it that far in the game anyway?
caleqs
Member
+9|6927
What I don't understand is why someone would actually spend the time to post about this. Sure, sounds like Loki was being an asshat, but so what? It happens. You had to stare at your screen for 15 seconds waiting to respawn. Big deal.

Yeah, it would have pissed me off and I probably would have gone and killed him, but then that would be it. Its just a game. When you get that pissed off, you're in too deep man. I don't support what Loki did, but I understand it and don't care that he did it. But to come on a forum and bitch about it just makes it seem like you take this stuff waaaaaay too seriously.

When I find things not going my way on a server...I switch servers. I don't get my panties in a bunch worrying about it.

Anyway, I feel your pain, brother, but let it go. You can't honestly be surprised that people will act like asshats once in a while, can you?
M1-Lightning
Jeepers Creepers
+136|6951|Peoria, Illinois
You think that's bad Todd, try having an asshat for a commander screaming at you over VOIP. I had to listen to this guy yelling and cursing at some other squad to follow his orders or he would drop arty on them. I told him he was distracting the rest of us with all of his yelling and then he threatens to drop arty on me. I had enough of that in the military. I'm not about to take that crap from some uptight loser on video game. Just ignore them or change servers or better yet, come play with us.

For Christ's sake Loki if you wanted the flag that bad, hop your ass in a humvee and go take it if it's that wide open and free from enemies. With 100 ticket lead and tactical position in the rear, who gives a rat's ass about the Hotel.
Inc|LoKi
Member
+14|6788
Todd_Angelo

First let me apologise if I offended you or your brother in any way

Understand that I hate the fact that I have to play 100 hours as commander for the sake of some stupid medal as it is only one of three medals I dont have yet.

In general I hate commanding and I hate Armour

I do however love to play infantry and love to fly. Imagine sitting commanding for hours on end watching a bunch of noobs all run to the hotel at the start of them map. The one time it is not a good place to go as the entire MEC team is there.

Screaming at your team to plz dont go into death alley and waste tickets, begging them to go around and take the suburbs or train accident.

Being told on many occasions to fuck off and get on with commanding over VOIP.

Then the one time I finallly see its a good time for my team to take the hotel becuase nobody is there and gettting the same treatment.

I dont regard myself as the best commander at all but I know I am not a bad commander.

I talk to squads over voip and warn them of enmy troop locations I spot everything I can all the time I place supplies on armour routes as much as possible. I always ask our armour to engage the enemy armour.

You just caught me at a time I time I was a little pissed of .. sorry

Last edited by Inc|LoKi (2006-05-04 15:32:08)

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