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benben10
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+20|5888
i have tested this several times and i know the f35 is the only jet that cannot evade a missile lock. every jet including the fighter-bombers has some chance of evading air-to-air heatseaking missiles. be the mig which evades about 1/2 or the eurofighter which evades about 99% of all air-to-air. it is really disheartening on maps like wake or dalian plant where the f35 has to go up against the j10 and are hopelessly outclassed.

and for somereason the f35 is the jet with the highest top speed (try taking it to 800m alt and hitting your burners) the f35 should actually be one of the slower jets, alteast according to wikipedia.com

i know any experienced bf2 airplane pilot knows what i mean. hope ppl agree with me and hope even more that ea/dice do something about it.

(edit 5/01) i would also like to remind everyone that ground fired anti-air missiles are different than air-to-air missiles. i dont think any jet can evade ground fired AA missiles unless they use flares. i think EA did this as a balancing issue so that jets are flying gods anymore and i agree with that.

what i am talking about is mainly the air-to-air capabilities of jets. a think one thing everyone needs to do is to take a jet from 10m alt and do a vertical loop at full throttle without afterburners. you will find that the f35 reaches the highest altitude meaning it has the largest turning radius. and THAT means it is the only jet that cannot out turn an air to air missile. i think EA/dice would have to change the flying characteristics of the f35 to actually balance it which i think might be harder to program than changing the missiles.

Last edited by benben10 (2006-05-01 08:49:24)

DavidianCox
...from the internet
+60|5831|Birmingham
i have evaded missile lock in the f35 but 99% of the time it gets you

it could do with some tweaks but i like taking out the j10 with f35, it winds people up.
Puppy
Member
+11|5835
it needs to be fixed today i was in an f35 and a stinger had lock on me i did a 90 degree turn and then BOOM!
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|5866|NAS Jacksonville, Florida
I feel like I'm flying a bus when I fly the F-35B. Can't turn for shit, and seems really sluggish.
DSRTurtle
Member
+56|5859
For what should be one of the most manueverable jets in the game, the F-35 sucks.  It has no speed, no turning, and can't evade anything.
SaladForks
/ph34r
+129|5756|Eastern USA
I prefer calling the F-35B a 'Flying Coffin'
Stumanbmx
S!l3nt But D3adly
+86|5778|Pickle Village
yea but it has to be balanced out because of its hovering ability, maybe........     its just some more EA/DICE shit
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|5983|Marathon, Florida Keys
yes the f35 needs a fix badly
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<b|k> lukie
Member
+7|5896|Germany
Ahh! Now i know why most of my missiles closely went past the J-10, and why the J-10 had no problem killing me. Wake Island, it was almost the first time flying a plane in BF2 for me. Know i know i do not suck... I wasnt that bad in Desert Combat.
Puppy
Member
+11|5835
the hovering doesnt help not one bit just makes u even more prone to dying just now by rocket launchers now
DavidianCox
...from the internet
+60|5831|Birmingham
yeah i mean i have only ever seen a couple of people hover....i dont think it is advisable to do so. can any of you say that you use it regullary?
Kamikaze17
Over the line!
+70|5922|Mark it zero.
the only reason why hovering is useful is so you dont get a tk while taking off..
enakra
Member
+3|5745
Yeah Fix That Shiznit!!! Seacrest Out
Username II
Member
+3|5807
I don't think the F35 is so bad...if you're at normal speed, you can evade missles with the afterburner and manuvering. The F35 really is fast...the thing is, the faster you go, the safer you are from missles. But the slower you go, the easier it is for you to hit and be hit by enemies. I would rather fly an F35 than a bomber if I was trying to stay alive.

I think if you use the extra speed the F35 has, you can escape.

Hovering is one big fat invitation for enemy missles and armor. I guess it's helpful if you're camping?

Last edited by Username II (2006-04-30 22:04:06)

skratch-x
Member
+25|5810|NY, USA

Kamikaze17 wrote:

the only reason why hovering is useful is so you dont get a tk while taking off..
True, but there's somewhat of a glitch with the F35 because of its hover that lets you take off angled up without using any runway space.  It's just as effective as hovering up for avoiding TK's, but you immidiately get forward momentum.

It's true that the F35 is the only non-magical plane.  J-10, F-18, MiG, Su-30/34 all dodge missiles without any maneuver, besides maybe a slight roll.  The J-10 is the worst when it comes to this.  I've set off 4 missiles on a J-10 that was maybe curving slightly and all of them missed completely.  I love it when I'm in the J-10 though :]
Lurch_454
Member
+5|5778
I haven't done too bad with the F-35, but I also haven't had much time with the other jets ether.
DSRTurtle
Member
+56|5859
I have been able to avoid missles from some descent pilots I fly against regulary in everything but the F-35.  I can also shoot them down from anything I'm flying except the F-35.  So if I can kill a J-10 with a F-18, why can't I do it with the F-35.  The same goes for avoiding missles from the J-10.  I can do it in a F-18 but not the F-35.  Why?

I'm not the best pilot in the game.  But my aviator stat is misleading.  I had a 100 deaths on Wake trying to take off in the F-35 using the mouse and keyboard, before I figured out what was screwing up my joystick. 

Since I fixed that, I'm about 1 to 1 in a jet.  not great, but then I generally go looking for jets and helos to kill.
Torin
Member
+52|5866

Username II wrote:

I don't think the F35 is so bad...if you're at normal speed, you can evade missles with the afterburner and manuvering. The F35 really is fast...the thing is, the faster you go, the safer you are from missles. But the slower you go, the easier it is for you to hit and be hit by enemies. I would rather fly an F35 than a bomber if I was trying to stay alive.

I think if you use the extra speed the F35 has, you can escape.

Hovering is one big fat invitation for enemy missles and armor. I guess it's helpful if you're camping?
I don't think you know what you're talking about, sounds like pure theorycraft to me.

Plain fact is, the F-35 is the only plane that you can pretty much assume nearly all AA missiles fired at it will hit. Since the 1.21 patche, the AA missiles on the J-10 and Mig will hit the F-35 the grand majority of the time, regardless of whether they use flares or not. The missiles will stay locked, even if your AA lock tracks to a flare. The F-35 is the only plane that cannot break missiles with a deep turn. I've seen AA missiles follow an F-35 around for nearly 10 seconds before finally impacting, but mind you, they definitely never broke lock.

It's like the 1.2 patch stuck with the F-35, and all other planes got the benefit of the changed AA in 1.21. The F-35 is totally outclassed, and regardless of your concept of speed or what your theorcraft tells you about what you should be able to do with a slightly faster plane, you can't.

The F-35 is in need of a major fix.

Oh and hovering sucks. And punish asshats who stand in front of planes when they take off, not the pilot. No one griefs with a plane, but tons of people grief planes.
MarkyMark
Member
+5|5847|UK
I have to agree and say the f35 def needs fixing. I reckon it should be the best fighter in the game, bar possibley the eurofighter. But compared to the j10 it should be better. Its faster, its got stealth for god's sake! EA/DICE need to get there act together!
[n00b]Tyler
Banned
+505|5768|Iceland
ok easy to prove how much shit it is =

Evading missles J-10 or F35 ?
Faster J-10 or F35 ?
Better is air - air combats J-10 or F35?

ugh shitkloads more i can point out, i would but im lazy O_O
Torin
Member
+52|5866
The sad thing is, the fix probably isn't simple. I'd be willing to bet money that the reason the AA missiles track F-35s so well, and the reason it's near impossible to break a missile lock in an F-35, is because of it's engine. Something about that engine makes the missiles track better, which is why I don't think it will be an easy fix. It's too bad the F-18 can't replace the F-35 on all those maps where the F-35 has to take off from a helipad-sized launch area, because the F-18 is actually good. Superior maneuvering and superior evasion mean everything in BF2. The F-18 can compete with the J-10, mind you it isn't AS good, but it can compete. The F-35 is just a death trap against any half-competent pilot.
skratch-x
Member
+25|5810|NY, USA
For me, even the F-18 feels tubby compared to the J-10.  Maybe I haven't flown it enough... And I try to use the same tactics that work for the J-10, which is making sharp turns.  I heard that in the F-18 you need to do more altitude-related evasion.

I'd like to see a MiG go up against a J-10, that would be interesting.
Torin
Member
+52|5866

skratch-x wrote:

For me, even the F-18 feels tubby compared to the J-10.  Maybe I haven't flown it enough... And I try to use the same tactics that work for the J-10, which is making sharp turns.  I heard that in the F-18 you need to do more altitude-related evasion.

I'd like to see a MiG go up against a J-10, that would be interesting.
It doesn't have the raw turning power that the J-10 does, but it can evade missiles with rolls like the J-10 avoids with banks. And unlike the F-35, you can lose a J-10 with the F-18, and you can bank hard enough to keep on a J-10 long enough to kill them. What balances the F-18 with the J-10 is that it responds quicker, whereas the J-10 can maneuver harder once it responds. The F-35 is just so sluggish that you can't compete with the J-10 at all, not even considering that missiles hit the F-35 like it was still patch 1.2.
Scorpian65
Member
+14|5912
As a pilot with over 300hrs in this game I readily agree the F35 is just bait for the Mig & J10. I wont fly the F35 against either anymore, its not worth the constant BS from your TK'ing teammates just to be blown to hell by a Godlike J10. When I fly either the Mig or J10 and get behind an F35 I lock him up and wait for flares. As soon as the flares go off I break the lock but continue to follow him. Once the flares are gone I lock again and fire three missles then break off and look for the other F35. I don't need to follow or watch to know that the kill is mine. I have tried to use the same evasion tactics in the F35 that I use in the J10 and forget it, its just no use if you get locked by another plane your screwed.
137[CSi]
Headshot Specialist
+104|6011|Woodland Hills, Ca
pretty much the j10 is the best jet in the game, but you have to slow it down a lot to get a decent bombing run in it.

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