| Make it more accurate | 20% | 20% - 58 | ||||
| Make it more powerful | 25% | 25% - 74 | ||||
| (above) both | 38% | 38% - 111 | ||||
| Leave it | 6% | 6% - 20 | ||||
| Making it more powerful will unbalance the game... | 6% | 6% - 20 | ||||
| N3rF IT!!1!! | 1% | 1% - 4 | ||||
| Total: 287 | ||||||
Last edited by MuseSeeker (2006-04-27 11:22:24)
Thanks for the comment, well thought, +1 to you.SaladForks wrote:
I voted for accuracy, actually. Adding power would bring it back to its old self, and totally unbalance the normal gameplay, like Mashuur for example. However, it's not that great at all as it is, so I say improve something that wont make it totally unfair but atleast add some good to it.
Last edited by SaladForks (2006-04-27 12:19:34)
Yeah i guess you're right +1 Karma! w0000000t.....Naughty_Om wrote:
guys.... the bhawk was lame before IT WAS AN ATTACK chopper before... now it serves its purpose... transport.
i say leave it.
Following your logic, the minigun is weak because it fires way too fast or it is weak because people think it has splash damage. Reducing it by 25% is the magic real number, and people weren't shooting it at good angles before so thats why it sucked.Firestarter wrote:
The reason the Minigun/Vulcan is so weak is because people think there is splash damage...wrong...it actually fires WAAAAAAAAAY too fast for it to be real, reduce the firing rate by 1/4 and it'll be real, and it also takes a good pilot to make a good angle
If you think it fires way too fast in game, that is to mean, faster than the real thing--you're sadly mistaken. Gatling guns were shooting 3000 rounds per minute back in the 1890's, when they adopted that new-fangled electric motor thing! That's 50 rounds per-second, for the mathematically challenged. The M134 "minigun", the gun that can service Black Hawks today, and was made famous in Vietnam, is selectable between 2000, and 4000 rounds per minute. If anything, I doubt the games' network code could handle that sort of load. i.e. What you witness in game is nowhere close to the true power of the real gun, which would of course completely imbalance the game even worse that it currently is, even if it were possible to do.Firestarter wrote:
The reason the Minigun/Vulcan is so weak is because people think there is splash damage...wrong...it actually fires WAAAAAAAAAY too fast for it to be real, reduce the firing rate by 1/4 and it'll be real, and it also takes a good pilot to make a good angle
ViP.ShooTa wrote:
okies did some digging into this as it intruiged me
points of intrest for the minigun [HMG_M134] ( which was done by the EA/DIce programmer called fli )
RPM =900
ObjectTemplate.velocity 500
ObjectTemplate.heatAddWhenFire 0.01
ObjectTemplate.coolDownPerSec 0.4
ObjectTemplate.overheatPenalty 3
[they took the next bit out by making the force 0]
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionMaterial 40
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionRadius 0.25
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionForce 0
ObjectTemplate.detonation.explosionDamage 200
ObjectTemplate.minDamage 1
ObjectTemplate.damage 60
ObjectTemplate.weaponHud.deviationFactor 5
ObjectTemplate.weaponHud.maxVisualDeviation 18
ObjectTemplate.weaponHud.minVisualDeviation 2
Comparing it with a .50 cal from a USMC LJeep
ObjectTemplate.velocity 500
ObjectTemplate.heatAddWhenFire 0.02
ObjectTemplate.coolDownPerSec 0.4
ObjectTemplate.overheatPenalty 2
ObjectTemplate.tracerInterval 3
ObjectTemplate.tracerConvergeDistance 50
ObjectTemplate.minDamage 0.2
ObjectTemplate.damage 50
ObjectTemplate.deviation.minDev 0.25
===============
Basically the bullet speed is the same and the dmg of the minigun is +10 more than the .50 cal - oh and the .50 over heats quicker.....
but - theres two areas which mention deviation - note that there not the same threads as well i couldnt find the matching ones (not there)
but basically the Minigun has a deviation off target of upto 5 every round fired - whereas the .50 has a minimum deviation of 0.25 ... basically what i read from that is that u miss morewith the minigun....
Oh and a comparison between the BH and a US heavy jeep ?
BH
ObjectTemplate.createComponent Armor
ObjectTemplate.armor.maxHitPoints 1000
ObjectTemplate.armor.hitPoints 1000
ObjectTemplate.armor.defaultMaterial 31
wreck hitpoints 500
hitpoints 1000
armour6 helecopter
JEEP
ObjectTemplate.createComponent Armor
ObjectTemplate.armor.maxHitPoints 1000
ObjectTemplate.armor.hitPoints 1000
ObjectTemplate.armor.defaultMaterial 71
wreck hitpoints 1000
hitpoints 1000
blast_sensitivity_softobject
PROJECTILE BH JEEP
small arms -0.05 - 1
.50 -0.2 - 0.5
minigun -0.05 - 0.05
shotgun -0.05 - 1
25mm -0.5 - 0.04
tank -1.5 - 1
Minigun vs human (non armour) - 1
.50 cal vs human (non armour) - 0.5
So to conclude that mess of stuff up there - the mini gun is less accurate than the 50 cal
and does less damage to humans - (suuuuuuure thats what it was designed for???)
the BH has the same armour count as a heavy jeep but the material is different
the BH takes less damage from small arms , .50 cal and shotgun than the JEEP ...BUt takes more damage from an APC cannon and a Tank (why??)
so there we have it - choose a jeep over a blackhawk - it has a better troop killing gun and is more likely to survive a tank hit .
Credit for that goes to: ViP.ShooTa from another thread pleasedeject wrote:
Interesting find zenmaster. From what I see, I'd say an increase in RPM to overcome the deviation defecit would cover it pretty good.
