Just answer the question, and see where it leads.....................unnamednewbie13 wrote:
'26' isn't a child in the human biological sense.Bubbalo wrote:
Here's a thought:
When a child does the wrong thing, why do we punish them?
A child doesn't kidnap, torture, murder, and then proceed to eat someone. A child microwaves an action figure.Bubbalo wrote:
Here's a thought:
When a child does the wrong thing, why do we punish them?
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havent bothered to read it but my view is no to death penalty. two wrongs never make one right.
there are other ways to punish offenders
there are other ways to punish offenders
For me it isn't ALL about punishment......It is more about justice, justice for the victim and for the victims family and society itself. Maybe even revenge for the victim and his or her family. I will be honest and take it that far. If someone killed my sons, justice and revenge is exactly what I would want. To see the perpetrator of such a crime locked up with 3 squares a day and a library so he can get his college degree would not satisfy my need for avenging my sons murder. Every breath he took would make my need for revenge grow deeper. I am sorry, but it is honest.xXSarnathXx wrote:
havent bothered to read it but my view is no to death penalty. two wrongs never make one right.
there are other ways to punish offenders
no, actually I am NOT sorry......It is just honest.
Guess we'll all laugh at the irony when you end up in his old cell then eh?lowing wrote:
For me it isn't ALL about punishment......It is more about justice, justice for the victim and for the victims family and society itself. Maybe even revenge for the victim and his or her family. I will be honest and take it that far. If someone killed my sons, justice and revenge is exactly what I would want. To see the perpetrator of such a crime locked up with 3 squares a day and a library so he can get his college degree would not satisfy my need for avenging my sons murder. Every breath he took would make my need for revenge grow deeper. I am sorry, but it is honest.xXSarnathXx wrote:
havent bothered to read it but my view is no to death penalty. two wrongs never make one right.
there are other ways to punish offenders
First off.........You obviously never had a kid, and if you had and you don't feel the same way, then you are bigger apologist than I could have ever imagined and quite pathetic.jonsimon wrote:
Guess we'll all laugh at the irony when you end up in his old cell then eh?lowing wrote:
For me it isn't ALL about punishment......It is more about justice, justice for the victim and for the victims family and society itself. Maybe even revenge for the victim and his or her family. I will be honest and take it that far. If someone killed my sons, justice and revenge is exactly what I would want. To see the perpetrator of such a crime locked up with 3 squares a day and a library so he can get his college degree would not satisfy my need for avenging my sons murder. Every breath he took would make my need for revenge grow deeper. I am sorry, but it is honest.xXSarnathXx wrote:
havent bothered to read it but my view is no to death penalty. two wrongs never make one right.
there are other ways to punish offenders
Second......I am talking about raw emotion that any parent would feel. ( almost every parent, you obviously would forgive and try to rehabilitate him, maybe even adopt him as your replacement son)
Third.........Sad how you would think it is funny, since this issue is something that some people have to come to grips with almost every day.
why don't u do it the old fashion way git a big maple tree then tie them to it then drop him problem solved.
The purpose of the justice system isn't to exact revenge on the behalf of the victim. The purpose of the justice system is to arbitrate disputes and mete out consistent justice, not serving the needs of the victim.lowing wrote:
For me it isn't ALL about punishment......It is more about justice, justice for the victim and for the victims family and society itself. Maybe even revenge for the victim and his or her family. I will be honest and take it that far. If someone killed my sons, justice and revenge is exactly what I would want. To see the perpetrator of such a crime locked up with 3 squares a day and a library so he can get his college degree would not satisfy my need for avenging my sons murder. Every breath he took would make my need for revenge grow deeper. I am sorry, but it is honest.xXSarnathXx wrote:
havent bothered to read it but my view is no to death penalty. two wrongs never make one right.
there are other ways to punish offenders
For the end all argument over capitol punishment, what happens in your dreamworld when the man you put to death for your son's murder is exonerated years after his execution? Until we reach a point where guilt can be absolutely proven, the death penalty is unacceptable as the chance of executing innocent men is too high.
I agree with ya, I have no problem ptting down such a person where guilt is beyond question??K8Kommunist wrote:
The purpose of the justice system isn't to exact revenge on the behalf of the victim. The purpose of the justice system is to arbitrate disputes and mete out consistent justice, not serving the needs of the victim.lowing wrote:
For me it isn't ALL about punishment......It is more about justice, justice for the victim and for the victims family and society itself. Maybe even revenge for the victim and his or her family. I will be honest and take it that far. If someone killed my sons, justice and revenge is exactly what I would want. To see the perpetrator of such a crime locked up with 3 squares a day and a library so he can get his college degree would not satisfy my need for avenging my sons murder. Every breath he took would make my need for revenge grow deeper. I am sorry, but it is honest.xXSarnathXx wrote:
havent bothered to read it but my view is no to death penalty. two wrongs never make one right.
there are other ways to punish offenders
For the end all argument over capitol punishment, what happens in your dreamworld when the man you put to death for your son's murder is exonerated years after his execution? Until we reach a point where guilt can be absolutely proven, the death penalty is unacceptable as the chance of executing innocent men is too high.
Seems to me justice and punishment and revenge all walk hand in hand when you are talking about killing a person this evil. Why would it be so hard to admit that you would want revenge for the death of a loved one by another persons hand? I personally would wanna throw the switch.
not to mention much more economical than forcing the good citizens of the nation foot the bill for a life of institution
This is a sad story, unfortunately this is becoming more & more common , idle hands...
CC-Marley wrote:
Get the gasoline...I got the match.
its much easier/cheaper just to kill someone. i dont want my taxdollars paying for a child rapists cell.
Lowing I myself do not have children but an honest question would you like to take the task of killing the person yourself?? Because in a case like this I would like to, call me an asshole or whatever you want but you take from me I want to take backlowing wrote:
First off.........You obviously never had a kid, and if you had and you don't feel the same way, then you are bigger apologist than I could have ever imagined and quite pathetic.jonsimon wrote:
Guess we'll all laugh at the irony when you end up in his old cell then eh?lowing wrote:
For me it isn't ALL about punishment......It is more about justice, justice for the victim and for the victims family and society itself. Maybe even revenge for the victim and his or her family. I will be honest and take it that far. If someone killed my sons, justice and revenge is exactly what I would want. To see the perpetrator of such a crime locked up with 3 squares a day and a library so he can get his college degree would not satisfy my need for avenging my sons murder. Every breath he took would make my need for revenge grow deeper. I am sorry, but it is honest.
Second......I am talking about raw emotion that any parent would feel. ( almost every parent, you obviously would forgive and try to rehabilitate him, maybe even adopt him as your replacement son)
Third.........Sad how you would think it is funny, since this issue is something that some people have to come to grips with almost every day.
To some people this may be surprising, but I am against the death penalty. . .
Why?? Because it isnt a punishment!, its a cop out!!!
Let the SOB sit in jail the rest of his life! Its cheaper for one, and lethal injection is BS(I live in CA, thats our death penalty) the prisoner feels NO PAIN, just the prick of the needle!!!
Hanging, Firing squad, dome chopped off, and gas chamber, ARE death penalties!! If they aren't the ones used for capital punishment, than I wont support a death penalty!!
Putting someone to sleep ISNT justice!! I feel that putting the guy in the general population jail is a FAR WORSE sentence, than sitting solo on death row!!
Death Penalties used to be severe, and a deterrent, now they are a JOKE!!!
Why?? Because it isnt a punishment!, its a cop out!!!
Let the SOB sit in jail the rest of his life! Its cheaper for one, and lethal injection is BS(I live in CA, thats our death penalty) the prisoner feels NO PAIN, just the prick of the needle!!!
Hanging, Firing squad, dome chopped off, and gas chamber, ARE death penalties!! If they aren't the ones used for capital punishment, than I wont support a death penalty!!
Putting someone to sleep ISNT justice!! I feel that putting the guy in the general population jail is a FAR WORSE sentence, than sitting solo on death row!!
Death Penalties used to be severe, and a deterrent, now they are a JOKE!!!
At many points in our history we have thought a person to be guilty beyond question only to be contradicted 20 years afterwards. When do we truly know for sure that a man is guilty?lowing wrote:
I agree with ya, I have no problem ptting down such a person where guilt is beyond question??K8Kommunist wrote:
The purpose of the justice system isn't to exact revenge on the behalf of the victim. The purpose of the justice system is to arbitrate disputes and mete out consistent justice, not serving the needs of the victim.lowing wrote:
For me it isn't ALL about punishment......It is more about justice, justice for the victim and for the victims family and society itself. Maybe even revenge for the victim and his or her family. I will be honest and take it that far. If someone killed my sons, justice and revenge is exactly what I would want. To see the perpetrator of such a crime locked up with 3 squares a day and a library so he can get his college degree would not satisfy my need for avenging my sons murder. Every breath he took would make my need for revenge grow deeper. I am sorry, but it is honest.
For the end all argument over capitol punishment, what happens in your dreamworld when the man you put to death for your son's murder is exonerated years after his execution? Until we reach a point where guilt can be absolutely proven, the death penalty is unacceptable as the chance of executing innocent men is too high.
Seems to me justice and punishment and revenge all walk hand in hand when you are talking about killing a person this evil. Why would it be so hard to admit that you would want revenge for the death of a loved one by another persons hand? I personally would wanna throw the switch.
it's true that revenge and punishment walk hand in hand but out of principle the intent of the justice system shouldn't be extracting vengeance on the part of the family. first in mind should be fair, equal arbitration, and if need be, reasoned and fair punishment. i dislike this mentality that families should go into courtrooms looking for blood. that's not what the courtrooms are there for.
also, it doesnt make sense that victims should be allowed to get their revenge on the offenders. i mean if someone nicks my car and i want him dead would the state kill him then?
where do u draw the point between neutral justice and the victims surrounding need for revenge? revenge doesnt belong in the justice department, it should all be about justice.
where do u draw the point between neutral justice and the victims surrounding need for revenge? revenge doesnt belong in the justice department, it should all be about justice.
I believe its more about protecting society from the criminals - see my earlier post for detailsxXSarnathXx wrote:
where do u draw the point between neutral justice and the victims surrounding need for revenge? revenge doesnt belong in the justice department, it should all be about justice.
I think you are taking what I said a little too close to the edge. There is a big difference between wanting to execute a person for a door ding and for raping, murdering and eating your kid. What is wrong with an eye for an eye?xXSarnathXx wrote:
also, it doesnt make sense that victims should be allowed to get their revenge on the offenders. i mean if someone nicks my car and i want him dead would the state kill him then?
where do u draw the point between neutral justice and the victims surrounding need for revenge? revenge doesnt belong in the justice department, it should all be about justice.
I think DNA is pretty conclusive isn't it? It is exonerating people now, I assume it can also slam the books on them to.
I thought I was gunna be sick hearing the interview of the father of Nick Berg ( the first video beheading by Zarqawi). Upon learning of of Zarqawi's death he was disturbed that he was killed. It was a waste of a life and all that shit according to him.
eye for an eye does not work, that only leads to a spiral of death, lets say i murder u, then ur bro comes takin me down, then my bro etc etc etc etc etc etc. spiral of violence that doesnt work in this enligtened world we live in today. there are better ways to go about this.lowing wrote:
I think you are taking what I said a little too close to the edge. There is a big difference between wanting to execute a person for a door ding and for raping, murdering and eating your kid. What is wrong with an eye for an eye?xXSarnathXx wrote:
also, it doesnt make sense that victims should be allowed to get their revenge on the offenders. i mean if someone nicks my car and i want him dead would the state kill him then?
where do u draw the point between neutral justice and the victims surrounding need for revenge? revenge doesnt belong in the justice department, it should all be about justice.
I think DNA is pretty conclusive isn't it? It is exonerating people now, I assume it can also slam the books on them to.
I thought I was gunna be sick hearing the interview of the father of Nick Berg ( the first video beheading by Zarqawi). Upon learning of of Zarqawi's death he was disturbed that he was killed. It was a waste of a life and all that shit according to him.
also what i said, i know is takin ur argument close to the edge, but honestly, where do u draw the line?
I mean people are different. im quite sure there is someone out there caring more for ....say books than for his family. im certain some people would be more devastated over things that we, the rest of the society does not rate as such a high loss. how do we extract justice for them?
In the future I'm sure several of the people we put to death using DNA evidence will be exonerated by newer investigation technologies.lowing wrote:
I think DNA is pretty conclusive isn't it? It is exonerating people now, I assume it can also slam the books on them to.
DNA doesn't prove someone committed a crime. It only proves that a biological sample belongs to someone.lowing wrote:
I think you are taking what I said a little too close to the edge. There is a big difference between wanting to execute a person for a door ding and for raping, murdering and eating your kid. What is wrong with an eye for an eye?xXSarnathXx wrote:
also, it doesnt make sense that victims should be allowed to get their revenge on the offenders. i mean if someone nicks my car and i want him dead would the state kill him then?
where do u draw the point between neutral justice and the victims surrounding need for revenge? revenge doesnt belong in the justice department, it should all be about justice.
I think DNA is pretty conclusive isn't it? It is exonerating people now, I assume it can also slam the books on them to.
I thought I was gunna be sick hearing the interview of the father of Nick Berg ( the first video beheading by Zarqawi). Upon learning of of Zarqawi's death he was disturbed that he was killed. It was a waste of a life and all that shit according to him.
Besides, they don't have DNA records of every person in the states, so you can't always find a match.
DNA is very iffy evidence and is entirely subject to context. Witness testimony is still more damning.
stab him in the lungs and stomach, he'll drown to death of the blood in his body= no air, and stomach acid would kill him
Hey Cat.fass1, ya might wanna re-read the posts.......You and I are in full agreement.......But to answer your question........yes.......I would wanna throw the switch myself.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Lowing I myself do not have children but an honest question would you like to take the task of killing the person yourself?? Because in a case like this I would like to, call me an asshole or whatever you want but you take from me I want to take backlowing wrote:
First off.........You obviously never had a kid, and if you had and you don't feel the same way, then you are bigger apologist than I could have ever imagined and quite pathetic.jonsimon wrote:
Guess we'll all laugh at the irony when you end up in his old cell then eh?
Second......I am talking about raw emotion that any parent would feel. ( almost every parent, you obviously would forgive and try to rehabilitate him, maybe even adopt him as your replacement son)
Third.........Sad how you would think it is funny, since this issue is something that some people have to come to grips with almost every day.