BF2S Forums When, OH When are E.A. Going to get rid of the DAMN claymores?

bingobones wrote:

seems like most of u are noobs - as a sniper you get 2 claymores - so 2 can be deployed at a time - if u manage to get more ammo and deploy another claymore - the first one disappears...

so u get annoyed by claymores?! so what?! we all do!

maybe ea should ban grenades? cos they r annoying too!

tankstoo?

planes?

chopperS?

LOL NOOBS

not true, ive killed other snipers numerous times after 1.21 and I have deployed 4 claymores on the map

Well I still like the every kit can disarm Claymores idea. A longish lead time to make it both realistic and still worth putting clays down - You're going to be a sitting duck laying prone next to a claymore for 4 seconds or more, so would need cover. Obviously disarming them from the front isn't going to work though, in which case a nade (or two?) could do the job instead.

I think the blast radius is good as it is, any smaller and there'd be no benefit to disarming them instead of detonating them.

There's no way limiting their placement will work though...

[zulu]steviep831 wrote:

rombaft wrote:

I find claymores the biggest plague in the game , making FF off possible was the biggest mistake DICE made , they should of know the players would abuse those nasty things like hell, may guys just run around with the claymores, and just pick the sniper kit for the claymores, not for the sniper rifle like it's ment to be

I would disagree with that last statement. I can't see how being able to deploy two clays at a time would be more powerful than any other kit in the game. If a sniper pulls out a clay, I'm positive I can take him out before he deploys it. Perhaps a "fix" would be longer deploy time?

on maps like karkand,warlord and ghost town , two claymores will give you more kills then your sniper rifle, and certainly the abusers of them, because they have no skill and a claymore is the only weapon who doesn't require any skill , also they put claymores, wait untill they see they have made a kill with it,and in tight area's it's full with ammo bags, so they reload and put them again

chuyskywalker wrote:

-fe.lep- wrote:

Insert lots of moaning about claymores

Seriously, get over it. I DO NOT find claymores to be quite the scourge of BF2 as you do, and I highly doubt EA/DICE is going to change it now.

1. Sniper is a weak class to start with, take away their claymores and they're just stupid.
A "sniper" rifle that needs two hits to kill -- thanks. A shitty pistol, standard issue grenades, a distinctly "i'm weak, shoot me" outfit, and no body armor. No, I think the snipers could use a little help.

2. Medic reviving DOES work, and it works extremely well.
Apparently the people you've been working with (the medics that get hit by this magical second "waiting for medic" claymore) are idiots. I'm not going to go into tactics here because it's pointless, but suffice it to say it's quite possible, and plainly very simple to execute this method of entry.

3. Claymores ARE tools of war!
Complaining that people are using claymores as an offensive measure is like crying that mines shouldn't be placed under enemy tanks. That's just loads of crazy. Why shouldn't they be offensive?

Finally, it's not ruining the game. Really. It's not. If I had to make a big 'list-o-complaint' about things I'd want changed in BF2, I don't think that would ever make my list. (Nor would it make the list for the 5 people I play with on a highly regular basis.)



As a side note: were you having, like, fits of rage during during 1.12 when I was sitting at the sharqi TV station with FIVE claymores out? I bet.

Note #2, I do agree that claymores, if you're smart enough to spot them, should be hand grenade detonate able, I also agree that they should go off for friendlies. Two very, very stupid changes.

Amen Brother....

Kontrolfreq wrote:

rombaft wrote:

on maps like karkand,warlord and ghost town , two claymores will give you more kills then your sniper rifle,

What, you mean.... 2 kills?

rombaft wrote:

because they have no skill and a claymore is the only weapon who doesn't require any skill ,

It takes no skill to set a clay in a busy area, under fire, with organised support resupplies. Yea, Right. How are they any less skill-oriented than AT mines?

rombaft wrote:

also they put claymores, wait untill they see they have made a kill with it,and in tight area's it's full with ammo bags, so they reload and put them again

Well SORRY, if people didn't keep running into them we wouldn't HAVE to keep laying them! lol.

the spash damage from claymores is so big, it mostly takes out more then one guy a claymore

and no, placing claymores doesn't require skill , how hard is : take a claymore, run to an alley or whatever the enemy will pass, place it there, look if you find an ammo bag, take it and place the caly again when you got a kill ?

and what is organised support resuplies, don't make a fool out of yourself, everybody knows supports just drop there bags everywhere around , trowing at everybody they see, ...  waht is so organised about that ?

rombaft wrote:

the spash damage from claymores is so big, it mostly takes out more then one guy a claymore

and no, placing claymores doesn't require skill , how hard is : take a claymore, run to an alley or whatever the enemy will pass, place it there, look if you find an ammo bag, take it and place the caly again when you got a kill ?

and what is organised support resuplies, don't make a fool out of yourself, everybody knows supports just drop there bags everywhere around , trowing at everybody they see, ...  waht is so organised about that ?

Point 1- Yea, maybe.

Point 2 - I assume that applies to AT mines too? And at any rate the amount of skill it takes is not the issue.

Point 3 - You're obviously not playing with very fucused support players.

Do Claymores? They are motion detecting on one side, so they would if you are close enough...

chuyskywalker wrote:

Seriously, get over it. I DO NOT find claymores to be quite the scourge of BF2 as you do, and I highly doubt EA/DICE is going to change it now.

1. Sniper is a weak class to start with, take away their claymores and they're just stupid.
A "sniper" rifle that needs two hits to kill -- thanks. A shitty pistol, standard issue grenades, a distinctly "i'm weak, shoot me" outfit, and no body armor. No, I think the snipers could use a little help.

First of all, if you read my posts on page 4 which I doubt you have, you will see that the examples that I give are mostly specific to special forces and the adverse impact the controls of the weapons are having there. I would have to point out that your special forces play time seems to be limited and I would have to question if you have even been on the maps we are discussing since the advent of 1.22. If this is the case then for you to suggest that "claymores are not the scourge of battlefield" would be correct and honest. When u play most maps on battlefield 2 they are nothing more than an inconvenience, unless used in vast numbers, after all, how annoying is a claymore when you are in an f-16? This does not however change the fact that in a number of situations ,for example the start of Karkand, The television station on Sharqi peninsula etc. etc. they effect gameplay to a much higher degree than the PKM, C4 or Nade Launchers ever did. The previous weapons required that the player retain some control in aiming or detonation the claymore does not, if you killed the player controlling the other weapons they were then taken out of the equation. With the claymore retaining the ability the kill even after the "planter" is dead there is an obvious inbalance. This is a situation that clearly requires rectification and action from E.A. would not be without precedent.

2. Medic reviving DOES work, and it works extremely well.
Apparently the people you've been working with (the medics that get hit by this magical second "waiting for medic" claymore) are idiots. I'm not going to go into tactics here because it's pointless, but suffice it to say it's quite possible, and plainly very simple to execute this method of entry.

To address this point in the second paragragh (The nightflight example) I will use material I have previously pasted and just changed a little , I would also point to your playtime again and me having already addressed this issue on a number of other posts previously which you seem to have not read. I would also point to you calling the people on public servers, who have died trying to revive fellow team members in the following examples as idiots, Its those "idiots" that visit your site and keep your hits per day what it is. Anyhow :

Medic reviving DOES NOT WORK on the palace 2nd floor and 3rd floor on public servers. Are you seriously suggesting that public players, not on teamspeak, are capable of attacking in the co-ordinated manner as you describe while the entire opposing team is pinned down on one flag point? There are 3 doorways into the area, all of them when this situation arises will be double claymored, now your suggesting while there are 12 people in that room waiting for the enemy and periodically grenading the hell out of the corridor while spamming with PKM's, you and your frend the medic are going to go running up to the door, your going to detonate the claymore, hes going to revive you while not being killed by the other claymore and the other people in the room are going to watch in total awe at your ownage tactic? I would suggest that you will get your asses blown off and the mines replaced in seconds, even if there was 4 or 6 of players doing the same thing and you did succeed 90% of the time they will get shot and the mines replaced. Your successful assault in this manner would be one of the few I have seen and I have played the map 150 times.

Secondly the nightflight example, every single point on the map holds the same problems on it that the palace does, this means not just one massacre of your team by claymores, but every single point they take will result in this. like I said in a previous post, I have seen 10 and more claymores sitting on points in nightflight making the game unplayable with any level of fairness as it requires team members to be used as minesweepers, Im not saying the points "cant" be taken but to do so would be a Pyrrhic victory.

We are here to play the game to win are we not? Is this form of mine laying, without any form of diffusal other than ineffective suicide, not "adversely effecting game play" enough to be considered for a change? You answer my question further down yourself......

3. Claymores ARE tools of war!
Complaining that people are using claymores as an offensive measure is like crying that mines shouldn't be placed under enemy tanks.

No its not, its not even close,  please explain to me how laying mines under enemy tanks makes flag capture an impossibility, extends the map further than it should have been played by up to ten minutes, gives the players on the loosing team supply and sniperkills that are undeserved and generally pisses an entire team off usually resulting in a massive flame war?

As a side note: were you having, like, fits of rage during during 1.12 when I was sitting at the sharqi TV station with FIVE claymores out? I bet.

AGAIN as I already stated, I dont run into the areas that are now "virtually offlimits" to get myself killed, while you were noobing around with your 5 claymores for the odd kill, I would have been off getting a hell of a lot more points elsewhere. Try looking for explosive golds on players stats. ops, I guess I have that one too. There were always people using claymores. After the 1.22 patch, the migration of people to the sniper class for easy kills just means theres a whole lot more of them. That brings me to the reasons for my original post.

Note #2, I do agree that claymores, if you're smart enough to spot them, should be hand grenade detonate able, I also agree that they should go off for friendlies. Two very, very stupid changes.

So finally after all this, you get to the point I have made on 10 + occasions on this thread over the last couple of days. They need to be made diffusable and have teamdamage ON by default. Good job mate. So I guess if you think that, I think that and a whole hell of a lot of people agree, that your opening statement about E.A. and changes to the claymore were, erm....

Lets just hope E.A. see it the same way.

Ah well, its Friday, beer night, gl and hf

o/

Last edited by -fe.lep- (2006-03-31 11:52:38)

after months of lurking I register just to laugh at this fool. There are no stupid questions, only stupid people..


Aside from all the simple tactics mentioned above with medic, ziplines ( he mentions he is only peeved at SF maps, yet only SF maps have the tools to get around quickly like grapples and ziplines )  and AT rockets etc, why not play on a server where the friendly fire option is on ? I lay claymores for defense, as the servers I play on with 1.22 patch all blow friendlies away as easily as enemies.

And what was your team doing whilst you were so stumped looking at all those claymores ? If this was the last flag, then sit there and spawnrape them as they come out.  More points for you, none for them. If it wasn't , go cap the other flags. Shouldn't be hard to kill 6 snipers with your favourite grenade launcher on your way somewhere. Then the claymores are gone.

If an entire team was pinned down on either floor of the palace and all entry points have been spammed with claymores, I would just drive them back, force them to sit in their small room, and spam grenades. Spam the nades from the corridor and balcony. If you can't capture, kill them as fast as possible. You don't have to capture that flag. You can just kill em and drop their tickets to 0. Tear gas helps as well, as it both hinders their vision, and anyone that doesn't have their mask on, is fucked.

Zanzura wrote:

If an entire team was pinned down on either floor of the palace and all entry points have been spammed with claymores, I would just drive them back, force them to sit in their small room, and spam grenades. Spam the nades from the corridor and balcony. If you can't capture, kill them as fast as possible. You don't have to capture that flag. You can just kill em and drop their tickets to 0. Tear gas helps as well, as it both hinders their vision, and anyone that doesn't have their mask on, is fucked.

My suggestion to that situation is to put your head between your legs and kiss your...well I sure you all know the rest, hehe. Seriously though. If your decent with the grappling hook you can get out the back window then sneak around to an empty flag too. Spawn med and jump off the balcony works. The problem with those situations is everyone is thinking defense and, making no effort to get out. Usually acting like lemmings and, running to the same place over and over dying the same way.  There is always a way. Spamming gas would probably be the most fun though.