B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7051|Cologne, Germany

personally, I think Dragon valley and Fushee Pass are the best non-infantry maps / air maps in the game. Wake and Dalian Plant are terribly unbalanced, Daquing, Songhua and Zatar are just vehicle-oriented maps without any real infantry fighting, IMHO.

Clean Sweep is worth a try, I think, it is balanced better than Wake or Dalian Plant, but it all depends on the quality of the pilots.

To me, Sharqui and Karkand are the best maps ( I like ground pounding, I'll admit it..).

I have no problem with changing the cycle on short notice. I can replace Dragon Valley with Clean Sweep.
HellHead
The fantastic Mr. Antichrist
+336|6920|Germany

B.Schuss wrote:

I can replace Dragon Valley with Clean Sweep.
Second that ! Dragon is getting pretty boring.

Another idea...Why don´t we put ALL the vanilla maps in the map cycle ? The new and  the classic ones first, the old and "boring" ones later.
Normally there is always at least one admin around in between the time when the server is full, so we could change the map according to taste and amount of players...
For example : Last night, when nearly everybody left, we had like 16 players left on the server and Dragon was coming up. Needless to say that  16 players on a 64 player dragon is pretty senseless, so I changed it back to Karkand and people were okay with that...

Like I said, it´s just an idea and don´t even know if it´s a good one, but I guess it´s worth a try.
AnarkyXtra
BF2s EU Server Admin
+67|6998|Hanging onto the UAV
I dunno that ALL the vanilla maps would be a good idea. Yes there is usually an admin on there to change them when necessary....but not all the time.

This is only my opinion, but I quite like:

Karkand
Oman
Sharqui
Clean Sweep
Mashtuur
Kubra
Daquing
Zatar

I'm not a fan of Kubra, but appreciate other people like it.
Echo
WOoKie
+383|6930|The Netherlands
Dragon is still in the rotation, did you forget about it b. schuss?
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7051|Cologne, Germany

damn it...I totally forgot about changing the cycle. sorry about that. I'll do it now.
^*AlphA*^
F*ckers
+3,135|6949|The Hague, Netherlands

Any change you guys will change the mapchanging thing from 2 > 3. maybe you guys feel diffrent about it but when i load the map (takes long time, I normally just have 1 full round of that map. (same with other people i think)
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LaidBackNinja
Pony Slaystation
+343|6920|Charlie One Alpha
I really, really hate Kubra.
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine SecuROM slapping your face with its dick -- forever." -George Orwell
Slayer
---hates you
+1,137|6967|Hell, p.o box 666

I like it, especially as USMC (F15 FTW).... This map gives me one gold after another
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7051|Cologne, Germany

-=>cSc<=-*RunDje*cT| wrote:

Any change you guys will change the mapchanging thing from 2 > 3. maybe you guys feel diffrent about it but when i load the map (takes long time, I normally just have 1 full round of that map. (same with other people i think)
well, we discussed that a couple of weeks ago, and most people here said three rounds per map would be too long. What I could do for those who suffer from long loading times is I could set the time for start delay ( which is currently set to 15 seconds ) to 30 or more seconds. That would ensure that everyone is loaded up when the round starts.
AnarkyXtra
BF2s EU Server Admin
+67|6998|Hanging onto the UAV
I hate Kubra too, but I appreciate that other people like it.

Once MEC's airbase is taken, that's basically game over for them. That, and the fact that if you're not in air vehicles, getting around the map takes an absolute age...only to finally arrive at your destination and be teamkilled by Slayer. 
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7051|Cologne, Germany

alright, changed the mapcycle as announced, replacing dragon valley with clean sweep.

current order:

Karkand
Oman
Sharqui
Mashtuur
Kubra
Daquing
Zatar
Clean Sweep

I was thinking of moving clean sweep up a bit, between Sharqui and Mashtuur
AnarkyXtra
BF2s EU Server Admin
+67|6998|Hanging onto the UAV
Good call, plus it would keep the (kind of) theme of infantry > air > infantry > air maps. I like that kind of alternation.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7051|Cologne, Germany

since this subforum is getting a bit messy, to many threads opened, I am closing this thread. map suggestions can be posted in one of the other threads, preferably here: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=16454
Slayer
---hates you
+1,137|6967|Hell, p.o box 666

superfly_cox wrote:

MAP CYCLE CHANGES

I think our map cycle should have two basic principles:

1) Balance city with air maps.  These should be 50-50 in my opinion.  If you want i'll get into more detail as to why.

2) Alternate city and air maps.  There's nothing worse than playing Kubra, Dragon Valley and Cleansweep in a row (maybe this isn't exactly the right order but you get the picture).

my two cents,
soup fly

theDude5B wrote:

well i had already suggested in another "sub-forum" , that we changed the first map to mashtuur or sharqi for a while so we all dont have to constanly play karkand. maybe just for a week or two. But Maybe then we could add the other maps into the map cycle for a week or two also?

something like

Mashtuur
Daging
Sharqi
Dalian
Karkand
wake

just a thought and a suggestion for map cycle which can then be praised, changed or "down-sized"

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

well i would say:

Sharqi
Wake
Mashtuur
Daqing
Karkand
Dalian


OMAN = OUT, its a fun map (could be) but it brings too much trouble with it

k30dxedle wrote:

IMO:

-Sharqi (so we don't have to play Karkand every single time)
-Dalian (air map - need admins as the J-10 tends to rape the carrier)
-Mashtuur (city map, good for teamwork)
-Daqing (air map with lots of ground combat as well)
-Songhua (non-air map with APC convoys for Superfly)
-Wake (air map - definitely need admins as the J-10 tends to rape the carrier as well as M95-TKing)
-Karkand (city map - maybe a "break" from all the aircraft around?)
-Kubra (air map, good for teamwork)
-FuShe (air/armor map)
-Dragon (air/armor map)
-Clean Sweep (air map, good for teamwork)
-Zatar (air/armor map, big)
-Oman (air/armor map - need admins as both teams tend to baserape uncaps)

Edit: Assuming we're using all of the maps.

superfly_cox wrote:

Varegg wrote:

I miss Songshua *sob*
WORD!!!  I love that map and its really good for squad work!  with so much fog it limits the usefulness of the armor.  A good squad can really wreck havoc on that map!

Let me be the first to sign Varegg's We Want Songhua Back petition

as far as chinese maps, the only one I don't like is FuShu.  Way too big and hilly.  Not good for armor, not good for infantry. Its not even a good map for those who like the jets.  Used to be good back in the black hawk days but that's over now.  i hope we scrap it
Hallvard
Member
+263|6733|North Norway

I like all the maps except Daqing, Zatar and Dalian...

My list of favourite maps:
1. Mastuur
2. Kubra
3. Sharqi
4. Songhua
5. Wake
6. Karkand
7. Dragon
8. Clean Sweap
9. Oman
10. FuShe

Did I forget any?
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7020|Nårvei

Fushe is boring - to many steep hills !
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
danCer
teh m0nsta
+314|6926|Germany
erm Slayer, where is my post from the other thread?!

Last edited by bmb|danCer (2006-07-31 13:28:58)

B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7051|Cologne, Germany

So what you guys are basically saying is that you'd like the mapcycle to be changed, but you haven't made up your collective minds yet, as to what the change should be like...

well, as far as I am concerned, I'd have no problem with adding all the maps to the cycle. Full stop.
I'd even add Wake, although that is probably the most unbalanced map in FPS multiplayer history.

As someone ele has suggested, if we cannot agree on a compromise, we just as well might put in all the maps.

anyway, here is my suggestion for a mapcycle:

Sharqui
Dalian Plant
Karkland
Dragon Valley
Mashuur
Kubra
Daquing
Fushee
Songhua
Clean Sweep

The problem is we do not have enough city/infantry maps available. We'd have to double the three maps we have up, if we want to mix air maps with city maps regularly.
theDude5B
Cool member
+804|6961

B.Schuss wrote:

anyway, here is my suggestion for a mapcycle:

Sharqui
Dalian Plant
Karkland
Dragon Valley
Mashuur
Kubra
Daquing
Fushee
Songhua
Clean Sweep
I like that although could i just suggest that it be:

Sharqui
Dalian Plant
Mashtuur
Daquing
Karkand
Songhua
Dragon Valley
Kubra
Fushee
Clean Sweep - with wake in somewhere

I only say this because so far due to the server crashes of patch 1.3, we always seem to end up playing karkand, kubra and dragon. yeah we also play sharqi a lot, but you need to have a good map to start the game and we have not played sharqi the hundreds of times we have played karkand.

comments?
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7051|Cologne, Germany

that's quite alright with me, moving karkand down a little. But I must say, I played on friday and yesterday evening, and had no server crashes.
De_Jappe
Triarii
+432|6738|Belgium

theDude5B wrote:

I like that although could i just suggest that it be:

Sharqui
Dalian Plant
Mashtuur
Daquing
Karkand
Songhua
Dragon Valley
Kubra
Fushee
Clean Sweep - with wake in somewhere

I only say this because so far due to the server crashes of patch 1.3, we always seem to end up playing karkand, kubra and dragon. yeah we also play sharqi a lot, but you need to have a good map to start the game and we have not played sharqi the hundreds of times we have played karkand.

comments?
That leaves
Zatar and Oman (and wake, although you mention it) out.

That's oke for me although I would like Zatar in the cycle, nobody ever plays it, and I think it can be fun with some nice teamwork. There is no fog so you usually can see very far on this map and it's fun to race :D
theDude5B
Cool member
+804|6961
Full Map Cycle

Sharqui
Dalian Plant
Mashtuur
Daquing
Zatar
Karkand
Songhua
Wake
Dragon Valley
Kubra
Fushee
Clean Sweep
everyone happy with this? anymore comments/suggestions?

see now this is why i enjoy playing on this server. we are all able to discuss this sort of stuff which benifits everyone!

Last edited by theDude5B (2006-08-01 02:33:19)

naightknifar
Served and Out
+642|6772|Southampton, UK

Sweeeet cycle.. Looking forward to a different map after karkand due to the regular on-time crash.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7020|Nårvei

Fushe sucks - drop that one, and i agree about wake - tends to be very onesided .....
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
theDude5B
Cool member
+804|6961

Varegg wrote:

Fushe sucks - drop that one
I am not going to object to that.

Think wake is one sided but with good squad work and no carrier raping should be easy for the USMC to get onto land and fight it out man to man.

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