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I do that with some buddies of mine. We form our own unit usually me as a sniper him as support or medic. If we have someone else join our unit we tell them what we are going they usually join in with us. We have a blast doing it.

mporlier wrote:

For you info:

"The longest-ever confirmed sniper kill was made by Master Cpl. Arron Perry of the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan during combat in 2003. Using a .50-caliber MacMillan TAC-50 rifle, Perry shot and killed an Afghan soldier from a distance of 2,430 metres.

The record was set during Operation Anaconda when a Canadian three-man sniper team from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, (PPCLI), set the new record with a shot on a Taliban fighter

That's about 1.5 miles That, my friends, is a truly amazing feat. The bullet was in the air for four seconds and dropped 146 feet. About 250 meters longer than Carlos Hathcock's famous shot. I'm happy if I hit something at 250 meters total distance.

Hat's off to a well trained soldier from up north. I hope the record stands forever."

Now that is for real world. In my post I obviously mean in game kill.

Hats off to him?  I wouldn't be proud if I actually killed someone.

Chikyuu Shoujo Arujuna wrote:

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you can also find out the distance with a simple trick, all you have to do is, being squadleader and give order to move/attack/defend that position where you killed the guy, then you can see how far it is to that point you marked.

yeah, your commander will thank you for that, big time! with hugs and drum rolls

mporlier wrote:

    For you info:

    "The longest-ever confirmed sniper kill was made by Master Cpl. Arron Perry of the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan during combat in 2003. Using a .50-caliber MacMillan TAC-50 rifle, Perry shot and killed an Afghan soldier from a distance of 2,430 metres.

    The record was set during Operation Anaconda when a Canadian three-man sniper team from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, (PPCLI), set the new record with a shot on a Taliban fighter

    That's about 1.5 miles That, my friends, is a truly amazing feat. The bullet was in the air for four seconds and dropped 146 feet. About 250 meters longer than Carlos Hathcock's famous shot. I'm happy if I hit something at 250 meters total distance.

    Hat's off to a well trained soldier from up north. I hope the record stands forever."

    Now that is for real world. In my post I obviously mean in game kill.
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Pls under stand that what Hathcock did was shot a moving target on a bike with a 50 cal. Machinegun not a rifle. What the Canadian did was outstanding wanting to compare the two is just wrong.

Hathcock and the russian sniper Vassili Zaitsev hell the V.C. that Hathcock killed was a dam good sniper in his own right no book on him ???

Last edited by Taua (2006-03-06 10:46:05)

Books_DCDF wrote:

This is a bit off-topic, but Guarnere brings up something I've been quietly lamenting for a long time--the lack of a spotter subclass for the sniper in BF2. 

I don't know how the military of other nations implement snipers in the field, but in the past (and probably to this present day) the U.S. Army and Marine Corps typically deployed snipers in a team of at least two individuals.  Both men were outfitted with ghillies, and one man carried the long gun while the other carried a weapon with a higher rate of fire.  I'm not sure how it's handled nowadays, but in the early '80s, U.S. Army sniper teams deployed in Central America were typically kitted out with an M21/M25 (usually) or a milspec Model 70 Winchester in .300 Win. Magnum (rarely) for the shooter; the spotter typically carried an M16/M203, but on rare occasions he might be equipped with a Stoner or even an M60E3 (a short-barreled and lighter version of the standard M60 GPMG).  Both men carried a light load-out of grenades, and sidearms that had been modified to accept silencers--Smith & Wesson Hushpuppies, Browning Hi-Powers, and Colt M1911s were all pretty common.  The spotter's lone piece of unique equipment was a spotting scope.  The shooter handled the long gun and was responsible for dealing with the primary long-range targets while the spotter was responsible for establishing/maintaining security in the immediate surroundings of the team and spotting/ranging targets for the shooter.  Both men could and would trade off duties, as being positioned behind the scope of the long gun for extended periods of time was stressful and tiring; however, one man was typically designated the primary and was the "ideal" shooter for taking down high value targets.

But back to my initial point: I don't know about the rest of you, but ideally when I'm sniping, I like to be paired up with another sniper that I know and trust.  The fact that we're both equipped with primary weapons that have a low rate of fire, however, can pose problems when a group of enemies stumbles upon us or when we're spotted and they actively seek us out.  This problem could be alleviated by pairing up with a different class--a medic or spec ops trooper, for example--but in my experience their lack of a ghillie suit makes them much more easy to spot and thus can alert the enemy to the presence of a threat and compromise both the sniper's security and his ability to effectively perform his role.  So how about establishing a subclass for the sniper--the spotter?  Like the sniper, he would be outfitted in a ghillie and carry the standard silenced sidearm, combat knife, and (maybe) grenades.  But his primary weapon would be something with a higher ROF and a much lower zoom.  (An M14 with an ACOG sight or an FN-FAL Para with a red dot would be ideal, but these might present game balance issues--both are powerful 7.62 x 51 mm weapons with 20-round box mags, extremely similar to the Assault class' G3--so a lower-damage silenced SMG like the 9 mm MP5SD might prove a better solution).  And rather than claymores, his kit would include a spotting scope or a pair of range-finding binoculars.  When paired with a sniper in a 2-person team, his principal duties would be to pick out targets at range and continue surveiling the area while the primary took the shot.  But he would also provide perimeter security and more effectively  deal with multiple threats when an enemy squad closed on the team.  And above all, he would be better able to avoid compromising the team's position and mission because his uniform/camoflage would be identical to the sniper's.

Finally, in a last desperate attempt to link this post to the original thread, the spotter's range-finding binoculars could provide the sort of confirmation that many of you have expressed interest in, as well as increase the sniper's long-range accuracy.  Most of the better snipers have become pretty good at determining range based upon the target's body size when on scope, and they adjust for drop accordingly.  I can do this fairly well, but I have better success when I can estimate the distance by referencing it to a fixed location with a known range (a flag, for instance).  If the flag is 300 meters away and the target is laying on the ground about 30 meters in front of it--270 meters out--that makes adjusting sight elevation a lot more accurate than guessing by body size.  But the problem is that not all targets are in line with a fixed, measured point when you've got them under scope, so you don't always have the luxury of this assistance.  The spotter could provide this.  Engaging a target, then, might proceed something like this (on VOIP):

Spotter: "Target, enemy sniper.  SSE.  On Temple steps."

Shooter: "Acquired.  Range?"

Spotter:  "385 meters."

Shooter:  "385 meters, roger."

(Boom)

Shooter:  "Target down."

Spotter:  "Confirmed.  Target down, 385 meters."


These are just some thoughts I've been mulling over for the past few months.  I'm sure there are problems and issues with this idea that I haven't considered, so feel free to chime in and share your perspectives, criticisms, and suggestions.

Though this idea becomes redundant with the Q-spot function. Nice thought, though.

btw, that link to the 'best sniper' is a 404

Last edited by Spark (2006-03-07 00:15:27)

Chikyuu Shoujo Arujuna wrote:

I recommand you to come a bit down and to stop bitching around. I never attacked you personnaly, but your gamestyle. You think of me being arrogant, that I think of myself being the best sniper? No, I don't actually think so, I think this guy here http://bf2s.com/player/45466576/ is the best sniper in the world. there you got it, satisfied now?

I'm glad you don't think of yourself as the world's best sniper, Chik.  You should also know that Sinny doesn't think of himself as top dog either, and I think it's quite clear that I'm a long ways from occupying that spot.  And with regards to omegazero, both Sinny and I have discussed this guy/gal at length and with respect; the player really does have some impressive stats.  Now, a few additional observations and comments.  Please bear in mind that none of these are intended as personal attacks.

To some readers, several of your comments in previous postings may have come across as arrogant.  I'll confess that when I read your first posting in this thread, I took them as such, and I felt you were making an attack on both Sinny and me.  Your PM to me later helped clear that up--at least for me--and I left the message less inclined to view you in such a light.  Instead, I came to believe that what I originally took as arrogance was probably due to cultural differences that weren't translating well as you wrote in English, a non-native tongue.  (I work extensively with the international community in my real world job, and this sort of misunderstanding is pretty commonplace due to language barriers.)  But other people may not recognize that, or they may come to other conclusions based upon their own experiences.  I'm sure that if I tried to share some of my opinions and perspectives in German, I'd probably offend a few people and come across looking like an idiot.  I'd encourage you to recognize that the same sort of thing might happen to you from time to time (that's not to suggest that you're coming across like an idiot, yet).

who cares about spm/sph? because you don't do, shouldn't you say "we don't care". all you seem to care is having a high K/D-Ratio. Now, tell me, isn't that absolutly the same? you think having a high K/D-Ratio is the ultimate goal, I think having a high KPH is the ultimate goal, I also said:

In my eyes, a good sniper should be able to camp and take out the backup and defend a flag, but also to give cover where it is actually needed.

I didn't said that for fun, but because I think of myself being able to do both, which means, I can play both my style and if neccessary your style. but I doubt you could play my style.

Actually, your comment about not being able to play both types of style was directed at me, and we've discussed this personally so I won't go into it here.  But you're right, Chik, it comes down to a difference in personal philosophies, as I pointed out in both an earlier posting and in my reply to your PM.  And in such cases, there's no "right" or "wrong" approach--there's just personal preference.  I have to concur with Sinny, however, in that for those of us who aren't used to seeing the kill-per-hour stat (bf2s.com/player stats don't include this, only the kill-per-minute stats), your use of the KPH comes across as a method of inflating your skills.  (You will admit that 52 KPH sounds a lot more impressive than .89 KPM, won't you?)  I'm not accusing you of intentionally doing this, of course, just pointing out that to some people who aren't familiar with this stat, your use of it may come across as arrogant.

From what I saw of you on the server when we played against eachother, can I say that I'm disappointed of you. Books_DCDF said many times that everyone can learn something from you. but what the heck is one of world most succesfull snipers doing on the top of the sniperbuilding at the backyard on Mashtuur? I'm sorry to say, but until that moment, I thought only wanna-be-sniper are using that spot to snipe to the mosque. well I hope you only had a blackout and aint doing that again.

What the heck is one of the world's most successful snipers doing up on that building?  From what I saw and remember, he was killing the enemy, and quite a few of them at that.  That's a good location to snipe from--it affords an excellent view of several high-traffic areas and allows for superb defense of two crucial flag locations.  Sinny used it to post high kill numbers--as I recall, higher than yours or mine in 2 of the 3 matches we fought together--and he did so with a relatively low death total.  So what if lots of people--including sniper wannabes--use that spot?  As my previous posting stated, according to our philosophy snipers should use the location that affords them the best opportunity to effectively perform their job without overly-compromising their safety (and hence, the safety of their team).  But this is always dependent upon the particulars of both the situation and the match.  Will that location always be the best one to take up position at?  No.  The flow of gameplay will dictate where the sniper is most needed, but then the sniper's philosophy will help determine where and how to best serve as an effective tool for his team without costing the team tickets.

And since you brought it up, I have my two of my own "what the heck" questions for you.  When you first joined the map, you and I were on the same side, so I watched you whenever the opportunity afforded itself.  Several times you were running down the street, in-or-at-the-fringes-of a pitched battle that included tanks and Vodniks/Hummers.  What the heck is one of the world's best snipers doing putting himself--and his team--at risk in that sort of a situation?!  Okay, I kow the answer to this one--it's your own personal play style.  And while I personally don't agree with it, that's fine.  You did post pretty good numbers for that match.  But a few nights later, you joined another Mashtuur server that I was playing on, and the first time I saw you (and we exchanged fire) you were laying on top of the 3 story building directly NE of the building you criticized [GDC]SinnFein for being on.

You know, it's the one that sniper wannabes use to put fire on the Backyard .

Okay, sorry for that jab, but I think you'll agree that there's a bit of irony here.  Personally, I have no problem with you or anyone sniping from that location since it does offer a good field of fire (though as you found out, it's a bit exposed).  My only question is, how does sniping from there fit into the scheme of your personal sniping philosophy?  That's not a criticism, Chik; it's a sincere query because I'm interested in knowing more about how you approach the role.  I'm always anxious to expand my repertoire and learn from skilled players, and as I've noted before your stats indicate you are skilled.

I'll look forward to your reply.

Last edited by Books_DCDF (2006-03-07 12:03:15)

playing style should not matter only the effectiveness, if ur on the front lines getting killed constantly then ur not effective ur just wasting valuable tickets, if u tend to stay back behind the lines or in remote places but ur not defending bases or commander assets propertly, missing alot of ur shots then ur not effective

short range sniping requires quick deadly aim, long range requires you to account for bullet drop and patience
i tend to short range snipe which is y i choose city maps but again my style

it should not matter who snipes were if its effective for you and ur not dying alot then it works, the buildings as said in the posts before, not everyone is good using it to their advantage so i would not think that is some easy sniper spot, takes wits to be on buildings and such

just my input on this topic



chikyuu: no need to go around forums telling how good u r ppl know ur good if ur in the top 10 in sniping think its better to be modest, dont recall books or sinnfein going on about how good there kd ratio is

k over its done now back to thread

Last edited by Dirtracer90 (2006-03-07 15:00:00)

*cough- cough* how about those red sox! lol

I will say this......Just put in a new 7800 superclocked oc something or other that nvidia put out last month....OMG! I'm now having to learn everything all over again, I've been getting Owned with a capital 'o' or Pwnt as the kiddies say all dam day. I've lost 2pts off my accuracy alone due to the fact I keep snapshotting bushes that were never there before. I'm hiding in tall grass and whammo...then it hit me! with my old crap card I never saw that grass clump, my opponent must have my old card. (opens bottle of whiskey) I MEAN i'm getting owned lmao.

I'll be pubbing most of the evening tonight and in BF2C battle tommorrow from 2-10pm straight. Look us up tonite, more the merrier..

regards,
Sinny 'the terrible' today:(

Hats off to him?  I wouldn't be proud if I actually killed someone.

becuase he will be remembered for that shot forever

i got lucky with a .308 hitting a target at 600M, that was hard as shit

I don't think the best sniper in BF2 should be judged on total kills, but rather a combination of K/D, KPH and accuracy. Even then, it's not cut and dry as a sniper's job doesn't just include making long range kills...

Amish_electrition22 wrote:

sgt_mango333 wrote:

Carlos Hathcock had a shot recorded at over 1.25 miles using a .50 cal machine gun with one round chambered.  Let me know when you get close to that and we'll talk.

dude i read his book. he has 2 of them. He shot people from like a mile regularly with his winchester. and with the .50 he shot several from that range. Crazy man. He doesnt have officially the most kills but because he was a sniper alot of the were never confirmed. 97 though damn

He doesn't have to have the records.  He was the first in a time when these shots were unheard of and the equipment had to be developed.  Think about it...Vietnam was nearly 40 years ago and the record is just now being broken.  That says something.  That makes him the best in my book. 

The Vietnames nicknamed him White Feather.  He wore a white feather in his bush cap and if you saw it...boom - headshot.  In other words, the long shot was not his only weapon; he worked within site distance of his enemies as well.

One of the accounts in the book was of him and his spotter pinning down a Vietnamese platton behind a burm in a rice patty.  He was working his bolt action and hitting nearly as fast as his spotter using an M1.  That is impressive.  I can only imagine what he could do with today's technology.

flyinlow wrote:

Wow.  My hat is off to Master Cpl. Arron Perry.  I've done some sniper training in the real world, and while doing unknown distance drills, my furthest first shot hit was aprox. 630 yards on an 11" x 22" steel plate.  I can't even imagine shooting at 1.5 miles!

"Later in 2002, Perry was accused of discreditable conduct by the Canadian armed forces. He had allegedly removed a finger from an Al-Qaeda corpse, defecated on another, and had his picture taken with a third who bore a sign around his neck reading "Fuck Terrorism". No charges were ever laid in the investigation.

In April of 2005, Perry left the Canadian armed forces to pursue his own interests"

MelbourneVictory wrote:

=[4th]=SlayThem wrote:

personally, I think they've over-done all this fog in the game. view distance should be much greater. although it would come with greater demand for better computers.

They should at least give us the damn option to reduce it. Some of us do have rather beasty PC's, why let us suffer with the rest? I know it seems unfair to the people that haven't got a great unit, but it's a dog eat dog world.

Why let you suffer with the rest?  Well i have a nice video card, but a mid range processor.  My system is better than some peoples, but others systems are far better than my own.  So being one of the people in the middle of the road, as systems go, i would say that it's probably best to help keep the playing/battle field more level for all players.  This will, in a way, help keep more people playing the game.

Since i've been playing more in the sniper role, and becoming more proficient in it, i've found myself becoming more and more frustrated with fog.  I've also noticed that servers seem to have the ability to set fog levels.  I've found that fog on Sharqi, in particular, varies from server to server occasionaly.  I have never been an admin nor setup a server to see if this can be controled in some ways.  Yet it does appear to be possible.

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