Spark wrote:
Uhhh... or the trusses could just snap...
So, did they bend or did they snap?Spark wrote:
I'm not sure that you know what is meant by 'fail'. It does not mean it melts. It simply means it is weakened so far that it can no longer support its load. Usually a sign of failure is extreme bending.
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No, witty rebutal, in fact I personally actually think you're right - there is no way the US government could have planned and kept secret an operation of this magnitude. Hell, I don't think even the terrorists were able to keep it a secret. I believe the report commisioned after 9/11 states that the US administration knew there was an attack planned, just not the specifics.Sgt_Sieg wrote:
I've yet to see a witty rebuttal for my point. Any conspiracy theorists care to explain the conspiratorial side of that arguement?
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The really sad truth behind all this is probably something along these lines:
1. Yes, it was a terrorist attack.
2. Yes, the US goverment knew about it.
3. Yes, the US governemt brought the towers and building 7 down themselves.
why?
Well, I think future history will show that the US had intelligence probably something along the lines of "A terrorist or terrorists plan to hijack one or more passenger planes and fly it/them into one or more targets including the WTC, the Pentagon and/or the Whitehouse on or around a week either side of 9/11."
The WTC housed a lot of very sensitive information that any tom, dick or harry could have got access to after the disaster (with the towers still standing).
So, a plan was hatched to prime the towers for demolition before-hand - that way as soon as the survivors were out the towers could be brought down, burying and destroying all that paperwork and all those HDDs below a big pile of rubble.
However, the intelligence they had didn't give any clue as to the magnitude of what would happen and, sadly, on the day, someone paniced, hit the button and brought the towers down prematurely.
That's one of the most plausible rational conspiracy theories I've ever heard. I'd go along with that. I certainly believe they knew the attack was coming - why else would they stage exercises so specific as a hijacked plane being flown into the WTC. (check the link in my previous post)Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, witty rebutal, in fact I personally actually think you're right - there is no way the US government could have planned and kept secret an operation of this magnitude. Hell, I don't think even the terrorists were able to keep it a secret. I believe the report commisioned after 9/11 states that the US administration knew there was an attack planned, just not the specifics.Sgt_Sieg wrote:
I've yet to see a witty rebuttal for my point. Any conspiracy theorists care to explain the conspiratorial side of that arguement?
To requote one of my previous posts:Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The really sad truth behind all this is probably something along these lines:
1. Yes, it was a terrorist attack.
2. Yes, the US goverment knew about it.
3. Yes, the US governemt brought the towers and building 7 down themselves.
why?
Well, I think future history will show that the US had intelligence probably something along the lines of "A terrorist or terrorists plan to hijack one or more passenger planes and fly it/them into one or more targets including the WTC, the Pentagon and/or the Whitehouse on or around a week either side of 9/11."
The WTC housed a lot of very sensitive information that any tom, dick or harry could have got access to after the disaster (with the towers still standing).
So, a plan was hatched to prime the towers for demolition before-hand - that way as soon as the survivors were out the towers could be brought down, burying and destroying all that paperwork and all those HDDs below a big pile of rubble.
However, the intelligence they had didn't give any clue as to the magnitude of what would happen and, sadly, on the day, someone paniced, hit the button and brought the towers down prematurely.
An interesting suggestion, and I must say it is much more rational that the idea of the entire days was planned out minute by minute. I could believe that the government knew about the attacks to some degree, but I wouldn't go as far to say that they were the ones that brought the towers down. But of course with sufficient evidence (that doesn't have a simple counter-point mind you) I could be proven wrong.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
No, witty rebutal, in fact I personally actually think you're right - there is no way the US government could have planned and kept secret an operation of this magnitude. Hell, I don't think even the terrorists were able to keep it a secret. I believe the report commisioned after 9/11 states that the US administration knew there was an attack planned, just not the specifics.Sgt_Sieg wrote:
I've yet to see a witty rebuttal for my point. Any conspiracy theorists care to explain the conspiratorial side of that arguement?
To requote one of my previous posts:Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The really sad truth behind all this is probably something along these lines:
1. Yes, it was a terrorist attack.
2. Yes, the US goverment knew about it.
3. Yes, the US governemt brought the towers and building 7 down themselves.
why?
Well, I think future history will show that the US had intelligence probably something along the lines of "A terrorist or terrorists plan to hijack one or more passenger planes and fly it/them into one or more targets including the WTC, the Pentagon and/or the Whitehouse on or around a week either side of 9/11."
The WTC housed a lot of very sensitive information that any tom, dick or harry could have got access to after the disaster (with the towers still standing).
So, a plan was hatched to prime the towers for demolition before-hand - that way as soon as the survivors were out the towers could be brought down, burying and destroying all that paperwork and all those HDDs below a big pile of rubble.
However, the intelligence they had didn't give any clue as to the magnitude of what would happen and, sadly, on the day, someone paniced, hit the button and brought the towers down prematurely.
No one, at least no one in the last few posts, has said the government set it up.-OGz-Badge wrote:
It is a bunch of bullshit....This is an American Tragedy and only an idiot would believe the government set it up....LBJ had Kennedy assasinated too right.
stupidest thing ive read all dayTrollmeaT wrote:
There was allready a post on this, even if it was staged wtf could we do about it, nothing is what, we will suck it up & pay taxes to fund thier wars so we can live in lazy bliss.
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To put it quite simply, we never thought it would happen. Most Americans before 9/11 thought America was untouchable, so we never really gave fast response AA too much thought. But now... our NG Air Force is on 24/7 alert, fully ready to blow something the fuck up with the given signal.SenatorMendoza wrote:
And another point, the USA was totally incapable of defending itself from a passenger jet!?!?!?!? What if there was a plane heading for the USA waiting to drop a nuke? Would it be shot down in time!??!?!? THAT's the fucking issue, DEFENSE, and PREVENTION of this happening again.
Thank god the 9-11 anniversary is over now.
RIP, 911 victims.
Despite the cuban missile crisis. And the cold war. And what was the StarWars project all about?Sgt_Sieg wrote:
To put it quite simply, we never thought it would happen. Most Americans before 9/11 thought America was untouchable, so we never really gave fast response AA too much thought. But now... our NG Air Force is on 24/7 alert, fully ready to blow something the fuck up with the given signal.
Dude, if you live in the UK, why are you telling me about what my country did or didn't expect?Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Despite the cuban missile crisis. And the cold war. And what was the StarWars project all about?Sgt_Sieg wrote:
To put it quite simply, we never thought it would happen. Most Americans before 9/11 thought America was untouchable, so we never really gave fast response AA too much thought. But now... our NG Air Force is on 24/7 alert, fully ready to blow something the fuck up with the given signal.
And why then the military training drills involving simulated attacks involving the flying of passenger jets into various landmarks?
And then there's the fact, revealed in the 9/11 commision report that the US administration had prior warning.
Or US military documents that discuss the use of such tactics.
"We never thought it would happen" - maybe the average Joe and Joanna on the street never thought it would it happen, but don't buy the line that the administration did too.