BF2S Forums Official Mass Shooting & Suicide Bomber thread

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

says a lot about jay that he thinks antifa are cowards when the right wing are literally massacring people in their places of worship. what do antifa do? turn up at right-wing rallies and get in street brawls? i guess they’re basically the same thing.

no addressing the BLM point. i guess we can agree they are not part of a huge ‘hard left’ movement.

and yeah, good point macbeth. leftists went to syria to fight ISIS, including a lot of western antifa. a well-known 20-something white girl from my city got killed in syria helping the fight against isis. but i guess both sides are part of the problem. divisive!

BLM I actually have some sympathy for. They have a strong case against the police state that the Progressives installed to keep them down.

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

You are a dumbass. Antifa and ancaps are not the same movement. Antifa doesn't care about the "non-aggression principal". Resistance to fascism is literally in their name. Antifa doesn't have an ideology or platform at all. Their unifying theme is resistance to the right. Anything beyond that is up to each individual.

There is also nothing brave about killing innocent people. If you want to be brave go to Syria like a lot of antifa and leftist did.

Please tell me how antifa, who espouse authoritarian socialist principles are anti-right wing? The left has defined the right as totalitarian in this country. There's a major disconnect between what is said and what actually is. The "right" that I belong to believes in the Enlightenment principles of freedom, individualism and self-determination. It's literally the opposite of fascism.

The real problem is that we're still using the definitions of right and left that emanated from Stalinist Russia when the communists were trying to distance themselves from the Nazis and Fascists. Somehow the Nazis and Fascists became right wing when their core beliefs are the same statist social-welfare state as the Progressives and Communists. Antifa and the "alt-right" are kissing cousins and have nothing to do with Conservativism. Antifa vs the alt-right is nothing more than LARPing red shirts vs brown shirts.

it's almost like you don't understand basic history.

communists and bolshevism came before nazism. nazism was a hard-right reactionary movement to 'defend' against the rise of bolshevism in europe. there were german socialist and communists before nazi germany -- and they were pretty successful, too. the 'definitions' didn't come out of stalinist russia and communists never had to distance themselves by 'smearing' fascists as right-wing. they were always a right-wing party of the bourgeois establishment, to defend itself against revolutionary rhetoric.

no one in this discussion at any point confused old-fashioned enlightenment lower-case 'c' conservatism with the far-right. we are discussing the fact that people are being massacred by far-right white supremacists in 2019. good for you that you read a book once about burke and smith and fancy yourself a conservative.

antifa are not 'authoritarian socialists' (whatever that is - maoism? stalinism?). antifa are literally and only anti-fascist. a very large contingent of antifa are anarchists. what the fuck are you talking about?!

Jay wrote:

anything i don't like is automatically left wing

SuperJail Warden wrote:

All of this left vs right talk is just obfuscating the fact that the western world finally has the active equivalent of the Islamic world's jihadism in the form of the alt-right and white nationalism.

Whether it fits in with the free market or collectivism is as useless as the debates about whether jihadism is "true Islam" or not.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

should be blocked by ISPs.

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

he is a useless moron but i think it’s suspect that the right-wing media try to distance themselves from it. lower end of the IQ scale and a waste of space, certainly, but this guy is the fucking core target group of most of the right-wing media and their inflammatory/sensational rhetoric. you can’t whip up the masses and then distance yourself when the ur-mass man turns up at a mosque with an assault rifle, parroting conspiracy theories and memes.

This guy is the target audience for the President of the United States, who incites his base to commit violence.

We've seen enough times now how Jay gets his history from talking heads on the internet, and his life journey is remarkably close to that of this NZ nut.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Isn't this exactly Jay's 'journey'?

Last I heard he was ranting about immigrants taking over his town, trying to convince his neighbour to set up a white separatist group, buying an auto shotgun and growing his own vegies.

Jay wrote:

bought a 2018 Subaru

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Members of the Indiana State Teachers Association testified Wednesday before a state education committee that elementary school teachers had been shot “execution style” with pellet guns as part of an active shooter training conducted by the local sheriff’s office, according to the Indianapolis Star.

According to an account from the association, “four teachers at a time were taken into a room, told to crouch down and were shot execution style with some sort of projectiles” during the January training at Meadowlawn Elementary School in Monticello, Indiana.
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According to their account, the officers told the teachers to kneel against the classroom wall before unloading a round of pellets from an airsoft gun without any warning. “They told us, ‘This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing,’ ” one of the teachers told the Star. “They shot all of us across our backs. I was hit four times. … It hurt so bad.”
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The account from the teachers association also indicated that they had been told not to warn others what was in store for them. “The teachers were terrified, but were told not to tell anyone what happened,” the group tweeted. “Teachers waiting outside that heard the screaming [and] were brought into the room four at a time and the shooting process was repeated.

Police in Germany have arrested 10 people on suspicion of planning an Islamist attack.

The arrests were made after some 200 police officers carried out raids in the states of Hesse and Rhineland-Palatinate.

The men had plotted to "kill as many 'non-believers' as possible" using a vehicle and guns, prosecutors said.

A 21-year-old man from Offenbach, near Frankfurt, and two 31-year-old brothers from Wiesbaden are the main suspects.

"They had already made contact with different arms dealers, rented a large vehicle and collected financial assets to use for the purchase of guns and the execution of the planned murders," a spokeswoman for the prosecutor's office said.

The suspects are aged between 20 and 42 and several are German nationals, the spokeswoman added.

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