Why do we still have stories of jetliners and whole companies skirting repair and maintenance regulations if government inspections are doing a proper job?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
who regulates the independent fliers? Who makes sure all airplanes are up to code? Why do we still have stories of jetliners and whole companies skirting repair and maintenance regulations if airlines have a vested interest in keeping the skies clear and safe?
because they aren't doing a proper job, never said they were
The industry is far more cutthroat than others. Blame the consumer for demanding such cheap ticket prices and the cities that have airports for charging obscene rent. If an airline gets a reputation for poor maintenance or service less people will fly with them. That's how the market corrects itself.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
who regulates the independent fliers? Who makes sure all airplanes are up to code? Why do we still have stories of jetliners and whole companies skirting repair and maintenance regulations if airlines have a vested interest in keeping the skies clear and safe?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
never mind that the reputation for poor maintenance and/or service could be from an airplane crashing. The market will correct itself.
You act as if the airlines don't give a fuck. Do you genuinely think they if the government wasn't looking over their shoulder that planes would suddenly fall from the sky? Please. Their entire business model is built on trust.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
never mind that the reputation for poor maintenance and/or service could be from an airplane crashing. The market will correct itself.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
no, I'm pointing to the fact airlines still are grounded and have mechanical failures as evidence a) government regulation and requirements aren't as great as they should be, and b) airlines obviously don't do enough self regulation. You can extend that argument into the screening process at airports. Companies will do just enough to get by - I think it is extremely evident that businesses rarely think about long-term viability. Companies want to make as much money as soon as possible. How else can you explain myriad business practices that go against long-term business health?
I'd say businesses look further forward than the politicians who write legislation and regulations based on how it will help them every two or four years in their reelection campaign...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
To argue back against myself a little, I guess the government does do the crash safety ratings on most cars, and have police patrolling the streets looking for traffic violations, so I am pretty much invalidating my entire previous train of thought. Hmm...
That's when the government comes into play. Up until an incident like that, the government should let the economy regulate itself. It's worked great in the past. However the government of the people, by the people, and for the people should be freaking stepping up and suing anybody's ass that causes harm to the general populace. Security is part of government's obligations.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Here's a great example of industry regulating itself.
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I don't trust the industry to regulate themselves. All they care about is the bottom line and will cut costs wherever they can.
Exactly, but whenever they do that they get a bad reputation. For example, if an airliner company decided to start cutting costs on service and maintenance they would get a bad reputation and lose business. They'll have to find a middle-ground.
America didn't get to be the world's superpower by the 1940s through socialism, communism, etc. Free enterprise is a damn good thing.
America didn't get to be the world's superpower by the 1940s through socialism, communism, etc. Free enterprise is a damn good thing.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Going by that logic maybe we should just privatise the police force and the military while we're at it.
How is that even near the same logic if even the same universe? Free enterprise made this nation great. Government is in place to stop things from getting out of hand. For example they're there to protect our rights, freedoms, and well-being. So the military would obviously be government-run.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Precisely my point. I'm not sure why this is a difficult concept for you to grasp. National security is a government issue, therefore government should be in charge of things like airport security, just like they're in charge of border control.-Sh1fty- wrote:
How is that even near the same logic if even the same universe? Free enterprise made this nation great. Government is in place to stop things from getting out of hand. For example they're there to protect our rights, freedoms, and well-being. So the military would obviously be government-run.
I'm not talking about the TSA. I'm talking about the airline companies themselves. Let them maintain their planes as they see fit and if they screw up and a plane crashes they get their ass sued if they were at fault. I'm talking about less government regulation of private businesses.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
You aware of what's happening with the cheap carriers in SE Asia atm?Jay wrote:
You act as if the airlines don't give a fuck. Do you genuinely think they if the government wasn't looking over their shoulder that planes would suddenly fall from the sky? Please. Their entire business model is built on trust.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
never mind that the reputation for poor maintenance and/or service could be from an airplane crashing. The market will correct itself.
And the election cycles thing is a total straw man and you know it. Come on, this isn't some ideological theoretical plaything.
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The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
You should tske a look at the amount of money the government has given airlines - and that's part of the problem. Big businesses and strong established industries own the government.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Exactly, but whenever they do that they get a bad reputation. For example, if an airliner company decided to start cutting costs on service and maintenance they would get a bad reputation and lose business. They'll have to find a middle-ground.
America didn't get to be the world's superpower by the 1940s through socialism, communism, etc. Free enterprise is a damn good thing.
So it doesn't matter if people die, just so long as the business goes bankrupt afterwards?-Sh1fty- wrote:
I'm not talking about the TSA. I'm talking about the airline companies themselves. Let them maintain their planes as they see fit and if they screw up and a plane crashes they get their ass sued if they were at fault. I'm talking about less government regulation of private businesses.
The libertard is strong in this one.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Hey, it's free enterprise. It's their god given right to have sub-par safety standards and not tell the consumer. As long as they can't be proven to be at fault they can never be sued.Dilbert_X wrote:
So it doesn't matter if people die, just so long as the business goes bankrupt afterwards?-Sh1fty- wrote:
I'm not talking about the TSA. I'm talking about the airline companies themselves. Let them maintain their planes as they see fit and if they screw up and a plane crashes they get their ass sued if they were at fault. I'm talking about less government regulation of private businesses.
The libertard is strong in this one.
Made me think of this thread:
Mike Huckabee wrote:
If you thought all the public complaints would make the TSA reign in its invasive searches, guess again. They appear to be getting even worse, and expanding from airports into just about every large public gathering. But this is a new level of pointlessness, even for them. A man whose family went through the Columbus Airport over the weekend took some video and posted it to YouTube, where it quickly viral. He says the video shows TSA agents going around an airport departure lounge with swabs, asking to test people’s drink bottle for explosive residue. The kicker: this is on the other side of the security line, where people have already gone through security. All their drinks they tested had been purchased at the airport concession stand. My question is this: If the airport snack stand is selling explosives, why even bother to frisk the passengers? Is it possible for the operation of the TSA to get any dumber? I didn’t think so before and now this.
No, they got to be a superpower in the 40's (don't forget about the British Empire and the Soviet Union) through centralization, fear-mongering and an atrocious amount of spending. The dissolution of the Soviet Union broke the spell and more Americans began to wonder WTF we were doing.-Sh1fty- wrote:
America didn't get to be the world's superpower by the 1940s through socialism, communism, etc. Free enterprise is a damn good thing.
Yeah, nothing to do with massive industrial capability, being a leader in technology, and having a society that encouraged business and innovation....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
No, they got to be a superpower in the 40's (don't forget about the British Empire and the Soviet Union) through centralization, fear-mongering and an atrocious amount of spending. The dissolution of the Soviet Union broke the spell and more Americans began to wonder WTF we were doing.-Sh1fty- wrote:
America didn't get to be the world's superpower by the 1940s through socialism, communism, etc. Free enterprise is a damn good thing.
Really dude?
Except......RAIMIUS wrote:
Yeah, nothing to do with massive industrial capability, being a leader in technology, and having a society that encouraged business and innovation....unnamednewbie13 wrote:
No, they got to be a superpower in the 40's (don't forget about the British Empire and the Soviet Union) through centralization, fear-mongering and an atrocious amount of spending. The dissolution of the Soviet Union broke the spell and more Americans began to wonder WTF we were doing.-Sh1fty- wrote:
America didn't get to be the world's superpower by the 1940s through socialism, communism, etc. Free enterprise is a damn good thing.
Really dude?
In the 1940s America didn't have a technical lead over anyone.
In wartime - America, like most countries, reverted to a socialist model, with central govt taking decisions from the centre and the people becoming subjects, not citizens.
Or explain how a military draft fits with a free-market democracy.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
They didn't have the lead in the early 1940s but around 1944 to 1945 they took the lead.
The United States was isolationist up until the early '40s by the way.
The United States was isolationist up until the early '40s by the way.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.