Gun politics, firearms ownership, and US 2nd amendment discussion

2012-09-25 00:10:47

#626

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|6923|US

Macbeth wrote:
I like guns and I would totally own a WASR and AR15 if I could but I don't see any good arguments in favor of people owning a semiautomatic 5.56. Bolt action seems like a reasonable compromise.

Care to make a good argument in the government restricting them?

-Semi-autos are highly useful in certain hunting applications
-(US) Semi-autos are in common use and not especially dangerous or unusual, thus cannot be banned as an entire class.
-Semi-autos are regularly and frequently used for a multitude of lawful purposes.
-ALL rifles (of any type of action) are used relatively infrequently, as a percentage of guns involved in crimes.

2012-09-25 00:25:09

#627

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5794

I didn't know people hunted with AR15s. I could have sworn they make smaller calibers that could be used in hunting situations that require a semiautomatic. I am fairly certain I was commenting on large calibers rifles and pistols and small calibers rifle. Oh and I'm in before you cleverly try to point out that there are larger calibers rifles in existence.

You can talk about how little they are used in crimes and this is nice but not a single non law enforcement American needs a 7.62 semiautomatic WASR with a 100 round magazine.

Last edited by Macbeth (2012-09-25 00:25:50)

2012-09-25 00:27:01

#628

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6924

.223 is a pretty small caliber

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2012-09-25 00:27:44

#629

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6924

If rifles are hardly used in crimes why is there an issue?

2012-09-25 00:36:40

#630

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5794

Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.

2012-09-25 00:37:35

#631

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6924

but fpsrussia makes it look so coooooooo

2012-09-25 01:10:27

#632

krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|6988|Great Brown North

Macbeth wrote:
Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.

lol

2012-09-25 01:45:06

#633

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6314|eXtreme to the maX

west-phoenix-az wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTHECgM1APQ

Uploaded by dansubaru on Jan 25, 2011

Shower of brass from a pair of 5.56mm AR15's made by Bradley Arms practicing harrasing fire. UK Spec means no semi-auto so these are custom built with no gas parts and a bolt action operation. Specs are both 20" stainless border barrels with 1/8 rifling and SAMMI spec chambers to cycle milsurp with ease.

Practising 'harassing fire' on Short Siberia range at Bisley is likely to get you a kicking

Fuck Israel

2012-09-25 04:49:07

#634

13rin: Member; +977|6687

Macbeth wrote:
Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.

Sorry Mac. One word why I should be allowed access to that. Katrina. I live in the South where natural disasters can and do bring civil unrest. Just look at what happened in New Orleans. Armed bands of thugs looting, raping, and pillaging. There was zero law enforcement. Hell, some of the LEO's were just as bad as the criminals. So how do you protect yourself from the hordes? That 10 round mag ain't going to do it. Oh... The cherry on that particular turd was Mayor Nagan unconstitutionally ordering the police chief to go around and confiscate firearms. I have never seen such asshattery. There are legit reasons not to restrict this kind of thing. An one can go even further.... Enjoy!. Kinda makes me want to go and get a Type 2/3 SOT.

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

2012-09-25 07:19:52

#635

ROGUEDD: BF2s. A Liberal Gang of Faggots.; +452|5597|Fuck this.

13rin wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.
Sorry Mac. One word why I should be allowed access to that. Katrina. I live in the South where natural disasters can and do bring civil unrest. Just look at what happened in New Orleans. Armed bands of thugs looting, raping, and pillaging. There was zero law enforcement. Hell, some of the LEO's were just as bad as the criminals. So how do you protect yourself from the hordes? That 10 round mag ain't going to do it. Oh... The cherry on that particular turd was Mayor Nagan unconstitutionally ordering the police chief to go around and confiscate firearms. I have never seen such asshattery. There are legit reasons not to restrict this kind of thing. An one can go even further.... Enjoy!. Kinda makes me want to go and get a Type 2/3 SOT.

I'll take the M14 please!

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2012-09-25 07:48:00

#636

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6889|Disaster Free Zone

13rin wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.
Sorry Mac. One word why I should be allowed access to that. Katrina. I live in the South where natural disasters can and do bring civil unrest. Just look at what happened in New Orleans. Armed bands of thugs looting, raping, and pillaging. There was zero law enforcement. Hell, some of the LEO's were just as bad as the criminals. So how do you protect yourself from the hordes? That 10 round mag ain't going to do it. Oh... The cherry on that particular turd was Mayor Nagan unconstitutionally ordering the police chief to go around and confiscate firearms. I have never seen such asshattery. There are legit reasons not to restrict this kind of thing. An one can go even further.... Enjoy!. Kinda makes me want to go and get a Type 2/3 SOT.

I agree, we should give thugs, looters, rapists and pillagers as many semi auto rifles as they want...

That's just fuckin sad.
America:
Armed bands of thugs looting, raping, and pillaging.

Australia:

2012-09-25 07:50:06

#637

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|6923|US

Macbeth wrote:
Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.

There is no real reason people need Ferraris, or Ford F150s in the city, or phones that play movies, or half the other things in society today. Just because you won't die without it, doesn't mean it should be illegal.

...and if you think a .223 is a large caliber rifle cartridge, you are just showcasing your ignorance on the subject.
The US government founded an organization to sell civilians rifles that hit with more than twice that energy! (CMP)

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2012-09-25 07:51:08

#638

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5387|Sydney

Aussie spirit.

2012-09-25 08:06:28

#639

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6924

DrunkFace wrote:
13rin wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.
Sorry Mac. One word why I should be allowed access to that. Katrina. I live in the South where natural disasters can and do bring civil unrest. Just look at what happened in New Orleans. Armed bands of thugs looting, raping, and pillaging. There was zero law enforcement. Hell, some of the LEO's were just as bad as the criminals. So how do you protect yourself from the hordes? That 10 round mag ain't going to do it. Oh... The cherry on that particular turd was Mayor Nagan unconstitutionally ordering the police chief to go around and confiscate firearms. I have never seen such asshattery. There are legit reasons not to restrict this kind of thing. An one can go even further.... Enjoy!. Kinda makes me want to go and get a Type 2/3 SOT.
I agree, we should give thugs, looters, rapists and pillagers as many semi auto rifles as they want...

That's just fuckin sad.
America:
Armed bands of thugs looting, raping, and pillaging.

Australia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4N0MeGcFX8

Same things have happened in other areas that were struck by hurricanes and natural disasters. New Orleans was a shithole to begin with. If something big happened in Western Sydney I'd doubt it'd be as calm as Brisbane.

2012-09-25 08:24:54

#640

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5387|Sydney

tbf the worst affected area in Brisbane was Ipswich

2012-09-25 08:34:09

#641

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6597

Macbeth wrote:
Because no one needs such a large caliber semiautomatic rifle. There is not a single reason anyone needs to be able to fire off a 100 7.62s without reloading. I don't care if they aren't used much in crime. Hell I want one. But I'm saying in principle no one needs that shit.

I don't think owning all sorts firearms is a right given to you by God like some people (read: most) in this thread seems to think it is. Cut the entitled bullshit.

couple questions
so how many rounds per magazine is acceptable or reasonable to you?
You say no one needs such large caliber semi auto rifles. Does that include law enforcement and military?

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2012-09-25 08:36:10

#642

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6889|Disaster Free Zone

Jaekus wrote:
tbf the worst affected area in Brisbane was Ipswich

And ipswich is worse then anything in Sydney.

2012-09-25 10:34:59

#643

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6980|PNW

DrunkFace wrote:
America:
Armed bands of thugs looting, raping, and pillaging.

Good job lumping the entire continental US into one category.

2012-09-25 13:00:04

#644

BVC: Member; +325|6904

Introducing funny restrictions on what a firearm can and can't have just won't stop people acquiring them.

eg.
http://www.guncity.co.nz/223-gun-city-a … 41684.html
This requires an A-category firearms liscence - the sort you need for hunting rifles, shotguns etc because technically it meets the requirements for that class. (no pistol grip, 7rd mag among others) It won't be hard to get hold of a 30rd magazine, and it won't be hard to saw off that shitty bar between the grip & stock - hey presto, you've just turned a "hunting" rifle into a military style rifle.

Last edited by BVC (2012-09-25 13:00:38)

2012-09-25 13:34:59

#645

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6597

$1600USD for a chinese AR

2012-09-25 15:31:39

#646

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6597

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/5 … rk-Weapons

Overland Park will allow legal gun owners to openly carry weapons in public, with conditions

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
September 25, 2012 - 8:40 am EDT

OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — Overland Park residents will be able to carry their guns in public, with certain restrictions.

The Overland Park City Council on Monday approved an ordinance allowing legal gun owners to openly carry their weapons, if they are in holsters with the safety engaged.

The council passed the ordinance after the Kansas attorney general said cities may not completely prohibit open carry of a loaded firearm while on public property. Some Overland Park officials said they were concerned the city could be sued if it didn't allow open carry.

Gun owners will be allowed to carry weapons on sidewalks, parks and buildings that don't have signs prohibiting firearms. Business owners will be able to post signs refusing to allow guns in their businesses. Guns will not be allowed inside city-owned buildings.

2012-09-25 15:34:14

#647

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5566|London, England

Aside from not getting hassled when transporting your weapon to and from your car, wtf is the point?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-09-25 15:36:13

#648

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6597

Some people choose to carry all day, not just to and from their car.

2012-09-25 15:36:47

#649

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5566|London, England

In the middle of Kansas? What are they afraid of? Corn?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-09-28 11:13:38

#650

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,978|6840|949

Absolutely tragic:

Man shoots, kills masked teen, learns it's his son

Weird, it won't let me post any of the content of article in this post. Read it, it's truly sad.

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