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krazed wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

registration?

registration followed by massed reclassification with the purpose of confiscation

making any breach of any of the firearms act a federal crime, including clerical mistakes... not always yours


there's a lot more to it that just shackles gun owners with really pointless limits, regulations, and paperwork

Id say making clerical mistakes a federal crime is not middle ground.

But thats just me.

Dilbert_X wrote:

I have two guns where the serial numbers have cyrillic lettering.

So many possibilities for clerical errors there.

Luckily the Police are pretty relaxed "That looks kind of like an 'A', lets call it an 'A'"

YOU have 2 guns?



Let me guess, the star trek looking, ultra engineered, competitive shooting disgraces.

Actually I have more than two, none of them Rugers.

I own guns for target-shooting, why would I not buy a target gun?
I'm not the sort of gun-fondler who drools over tacticool crap.

1x .22 Pardini SP
1x .22 FAS 602
2x .32 (7.62x26) Toz 49
1x .357 M19
Looking to get a PPC revolver next, the standard S+W barrel just doesn't cut it at 50m.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-06-09 17:04:23)

"Take it to the" should share the fate of Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

Here's a genius of a situation I encountered recently.  If you are not a resident of the state you are purchasing in, it is not legal to buy an AR-15 lower receiver, but it is legal to buy a whole AR-15 (certain states don't allow it though).

Dilbert_X wrote:

1x .22 Pardini SP
1x .22 FAS 602
2x .32 (7.62x26) Toz 49
1x .357 M19
Looking to get a PPC revolver next, the standard S+W barrel just doesn't cut it at 50m.

I knew you guys could own the comp shooters but a .357 revolver?  How did you manage that?  Or is that particular model considered a comp shooter?

Extra Medium wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

1x .22 Pardini SP
1x .22 FAS 602
2x .32 (7.62x26) Toz 49
1x .357 M19
Looking to get a PPC revolver next, the standard S+W barrel just doesn't cut it at 50m.

I knew you guys could own the comp shooters but a .357 revolver?  How did you manage that?  Or is that particular model considered a comp shooter?

Justification for owning firearms is based on reasonable legitimate use. For hunting people can buy whatever is appropriate to the hunting they do, so camel cullers can buy M1s or for example.

For rifles, target shooters are restricted to bolt actions, semi-autos are harder to justify.

For handguns you either need to be a security guard or competition shooter - IPSC, WA1500, Long Range Silhouette etc are all allowed.
Handguns above .38 calibre are essentially prohibited, with a few narrow exceptions, but 9mm, 38 Super, .357 mag etc are permitted.
There aren't many clubs where you can use heavy loads, and most matches don't allow them so its .38 special etc.

Friends property.

RAIMIUS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Extra Medium wrote:

I knew you guys could own the comp shooters but a .357 revolver?  How did you manage that?  Or is that particular model considered a comp shooter?

Justification for owning firearms is based on reasonable legitimate use. For hunting people can buy whatever is appropriate to the hunting they do, so camel cullers can buy M1s or for example.

For rifles, target shooters are restricted to bolt actions, semi-autos are harder to justify.

For handguns you either need to be a security guard or competition shooter - IPSC, WA1500, Long Range Silhouette etc are all allowed.
Handguns above .38 calibre are essentially prohibited, with a few narrow exceptions, but 9mm, 38 Super, .357 mag etc are permitted.
There aren't many clubs where you can use heavy loads, and most matches don't allow them so its .38 special etc.

So, if competing is a pre-requisite for having a handgun, how does one get started?
Also, what kind of crowd do the various handgun sports attract?

Not being part of a club personally I can't say for sure, but with joining a rifle club, you go to the club, talk to some people about joining. They give you some form saying you have expressed interest in joining etc etc and you then take that as your legitimate use. You then get your licence/gun etc and take it to the club to use.

Though with rifles in my case, I don't need to exclusively use them at a club. For instance I used mine for hunting on the weekend.

Last edited by Adams_BJ (2013-06-11 20:18:03)

RAIMIUS wrote:

So, if competing is a pre-requisite for having a handgun, how does one get started?

Find club
Apply for visit
Apply to join, and apply to police for basic licence
Start training course at club, spread over 2-3 months usually, if you pass the training course and the club cttee thinks you're OK you'll be recommended a full licence, 6 mths later you can buy your first gun, 6 mths after that further guns.
To keep them you need to shoot 6 recognised competitions a year - internal club competitions count so thats easily fudged.
The local commercial range is in the process of being closed, they had two suicides recently and they've signed off huge numbers of flaky bogans to get licences. I hope they are closed.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sout … 6661344610

Also, what kind of crowd do the various handgun sports attract?

Depends, at the bottom end ferals who just want to get their hands on a gun, bogans who think firing off a cannon is cool - and don't worry about where the shot went, Walter Mittys and gun-fondlers who want a gun for psychological reasons, people who've watched too many action films and well up with tears when they see the bullet make a dull hole and not a flaming explosion etc.
Mostly they drift off once they realise getting a license and maintaining will take more than minimal effort, learning to shoot does require some application, and the Police are going to thoroughly check you out, annually.

Also people intent on blowing their brains out, so you have to watch beginners fairly closely.

The actual sports attract a mixture, its mostly practical hands-on people such as tradesmen who do well although there's a sprinkling of professionals - engineers, lawyers, doctors, company directors. Quite a few teachers also, and some Police.
At least 50% have no real interest in improving or progressing, probably 95% never attend an open competition.

We're having a lively debate in our club on who we should let in, one faction thinks anyone who walks in the door should be helped to acquire whatever weapon they want, no questions asked and if they go postal it doesn't matter. These are the ones who read Guns'n Ammo and dream of living in Texas.

Personally I think anyone who rolls in demanding a Glock or Desert Eagle probably isn't really interested in Olympic-style shooting and should be shown the door - the latest applicant wrote his letter in capitals with a blunt HB pencil I kid you not. I'm not handling any of his training.

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Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-06-12 02:52:00)

Its more complex than that:
http://www.environment.gov.au/biodivers … ation.html

I know that many people think they can just drive into the outback and blast whatever they feel like, often they're surprised when their guns are siezed and their license cancelled.

There are circumstances where roos can be shot, if they're causing damage to crops mostly and the landowner is licenced to, and not just by anyone.