2012 U.S. election presidential, Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama

2012-10-25 17:26:56

#876

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5201|Sydney

All I want is a political party with conservative fiscal practices but forward thinking enough to invest in proven workable renewable energy (as has been highly successful in countries like Germany) but with socially liberal (gay marriage, decriminalise drug use). Cut the corporate welfare (mining companies don't need multi billion dollar fuel subsidies when one owner personally earned $18.7 billion last year alone) and social services should be given more funding to help the truly needy, disabled and vulnerable in society. If you choose to not work when you are capable, you shouldn't receive a hand out. Also thorium reactors would be cool. Nuclear is outdated technology and really only still is newly built because you can make weapons from them.

Our taxation system would be better if there wasn't so many loopholes for corporations, and they should tax the churches too. Then we would all pay far less income tax = more money going back into the economy as people tend to spend more when they have more. Any organisation involved in charity work (ie. certain church groups) should get a write off. And religion has no place in government whatsoever.

Bah, it'll never happen.

2012-10-25 17:28:49

#877

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|5987|London, England

Jaekus wrote:
All I want is a political party with conservative fiscal practices but forward thinking enough to invest in proven workable renewable energy (as has been highly successful in countries like Germany) but with socially liberal (gay marriage, decriminalise drug use). Cut the corporate welfare (mining companies don't need multi billion dollar fuel subsidies when one owner personally earned $18.7 billion last year alone) and social services should be given more funding to help the truly needy, disabled and vulnerable in society. If you choose to not work when you are capable, you shouldn't receive a hand out. Also thorium reactors would be cool. Nuclear is outdated technology and really only still is newly built because you can make weapons from them.

Our taxation system would be better if there wasn't so many loopholes for corporations, and they should tax the churches too. Then we would all pay far less income tax = more money going back into the economy as people tend to spend more when they have more. Any organisation involved in charity work (ie. certain church groups) should get a write off. And religion has no place in government whatsoever.

Bah, it'll never happen.

why should churches be taxed?

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2012-10-25 17:30:13

#878

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5201|Sydney

Why shouldn't they?

2012-10-25 17:45:38

#879

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Because they are non-profits that spend most of what they take in on charity.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 17:55:46

#880

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Most charity work was historically done by churches here. Around the turn of last century the intellectuals decided it should be secularized but they lacked the income of the tithe system so they turned it into a government function. This then morphed into welfare, section 8 etc. There were checks and balances at the local level which kept fraud miniscule. Not so much today.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 18:23:07

#881

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6520

13rin wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Totally comparable to saying rape is all part of Gods plan. Totally.
Totally comparable as Rep. Mourdock is running for POTUS. Totally.

60 senators can fuck up this country, more thoroughly, quickly, and irreparably than 1 president.

Mourlock is a senate candidate, as is Akin. they are not alone in their views on abortion, but that is not the problem. the problem is that they have championed talking points over common sense, and are willing to restrict other peoples freedom.

when did republicans become the anti-freedom party? they bitch about the EPA and restrictions on business, but want to regulate birth control and abortion? please don't give me any lines about today's republicans wanting a smaller government, when they want to be the arbiter of every pregnancy in the country.

nixon enacted the EPA. he may have been a crook, but at least we knew he was for clean air. fuck any politician that wants to do away with the EPA.

2012-10-25 18:29:11

#882

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6520

Jay wrote:
Most charity work was historically done by churches here.

i beg to differ. http://www.charities.org/ churches are the biggest 'boots on the ground', the face that an unfortunate sees when receiving charity.
business is the single biggest contributor, and non-profits like the United Way make up a sizeable percentage.

2012-10-25 18:35:16

#883

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

You missed the 'was historically' phrase. Yes, most charities today are supported by corporations. Their donations are tax deductible and the charities themselves are tax exempt.

United Way began as a church organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Way_of_America

So did most other charities.

There are a lot of things religion can be criticized for but charity isn't one of them.

Last edited by Jay (2012-10-25 18:35:41)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 18:44:44

#884

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

btw, this is what I mean when I talk of dumb leftists, this girl has been spamming my wall for weeks about Obama:

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Seems like we're doing ok to me...

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 18:58:25

#885

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6797|Noizyland

Well the so-called obesity epidemic is said to have started in the 90s, I don't think the impact can be seen just yet. Also America invented spray-on cheese, your food is shit.

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2012-10-25 19:00:07

#886

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6739

Ty wrote:
Well the so-called obesity epidemic is said to have started in the 90s, I don't think the impact can be seen just yet. Also America invented spray-on cheese, your food is shit.

because people choose to eat shit. what the fuck you gonna expect when you eat fast food for every meal.

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2012-10-25 19:02:01

#887

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Two posts, two stereotypes.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 19:11:19

#888

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6797|Noizyland

It is not a stereotype to say that America invented spray-on cheese.

(It might be to suggest Americans are all fatty fat fatties because of it.)

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2012-10-25 19:11:48

#889

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6739

Not saying only Americans eat shit, people in Aus, UK and NZ eat shitty food as well

2012-10-25 19:12:32

#890

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6433|'Murka

Jaekus wrote:
All I want is a political party with conservative fiscal practices but forward thinking enough to invest in proven workable renewable energy (as has been highly successful in countries like Germany) but with socially liberal (gay marriage, decriminalise drug use). Cut the corporate welfare (mining companies don't need multi billion dollar fuel subsidies when one owner personally earned $18.7 billion last year alone) and social services should be given more funding to help the truly needy, disabled and vulnerable in society. If you choose to not work when you are capable, you shouldn't receive a hand out. Also thorium reactors would be cool. Nuclear is outdated technology and really only still is newly built because you can make weapons from them.

Our taxation system would be better if there wasn't so many loopholes for corporations, and they should tax the churches too. Then we would all pay far less income tax = more money going back into the economy as people tend to spend more when they have more. Any organisation involved in charity work (ie. certain church groups) should get a write off. And religion has no place in government whatsoever.

Bah, it'll never happen.

How very libertarian of you...

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2012-10-25 19:15:40

#891

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5201|Sydney

FEOS wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
All I want is a political party with conservative fiscal practices but forward thinking enough to invest in proven workable renewable energy (as has been highly successful in countries like Germany) but with socially liberal (gay marriage, decriminalise drug use). Cut the corporate welfare (mining companies don't need multi billion dollar fuel subsidies when one owner personally earned $18.7 billion last year alone) and social services should be given more funding to help the truly needy, disabled and vulnerable in society. If you choose to not work when you are capable, you shouldn't receive a hand out. Also thorium reactors would be cool. Nuclear is outdated technology and really only still is newly built because you can make weapons from them.

Our taxation system would be better if there wasn't so many loopholes for corporations, and they should tax the churches too. Then we would all pay far less income tax = more money going back into the economy as people tend to spend more when they have more. Any organisation involved in charity work (ie. certain church groups) should get a write off. And religion has no place in government whatsoever.

Bah, it'll never happen.
How very libertarian of you...

The opposite of this is anti everything that isn't in the bible, but spend spend spend on military despite the current state of the economy.

Kinda like the current GOP.

It annoys me that you either choose between social advancement with over spending, or fiscal conservation with social devolution.

Why can't we have both social advancement and fiscal conservation?

Last edited by Jaekus (2012-10-25 19:20:45)

2012-10-25 19:16:34

#892

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Jamie Oliver is a complete fucking twat.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 19:18:16

#893

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Jaekus wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
All I want is a political party with conservative fiscal practices but forward thinking enough to invest in proven workable renewable energy (as has been highly successful in countries like Germany) but with socially liberal (gay marriage, decriminalise drug use). Cut the corporate welfare (mining companies don't need multi billion dollar fuel subsidies when one owner personally earned $18.7 billion last year alone) and social services should be given more funding to help the truly needy, disabled and vulnerable in society. If you choose to not work when you are capable, you shouldn't receive a hand out. Also thorium reactors would be cool. Nuclear is outdated technology and really only still is newly built because you can make weapons from them.

Our taxation system would be better if there wasn't so many loopholes for corporations, and they should tax the churches too. Then we would all pay far less income tax = more money going back into the economy as people tend to spend more when they have more. Any organisation involved in charity work (ie. certain church groups) should get a write off. And religion has no place in government whatsoever.

Bah, it'll never happen.
How very libertarian of you...
The opposite of this is anti everything that isn't in the bible, but spend spend spend on military despite the current state of the economy.

Kinda like the current GOP.

Which is why I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

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Last edited by Jay (2012-10-25 19:19:59)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 19:21:50

#894

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6433|'Murka

Jaekus wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
All I want is a political party with conservative fiscal practices but forward thinking enough to invest in proven workable renewable energy (as has been highly successful in countries like Germany) but with socially liberal (gay marriage, decriminalise drug use). Cut the corporate welfare (mining companies don't need multi billion dollar fuel subsidies when one owner personally earned $18.7 billion last year alone) and social services should be given more funding to help the truly needy, disabled and vulnerable in society. If you choose to not work when you are capable, you shouldn't receive a hand out. Also thorium reactors would be cool. Nuclear is outdated technology and really only still is newly built because you can make weapons from them.

Our taxation system would be better if there wasn't so many loopholes for corporations, and they should tax the churches too. Then we would all pay far less income tax = more money going back into the economy as people tend to spend more when they have more. Any organisation involved in charity work (ie. certain church groups) should get a write off. And religion has no place in government whatsoever.

Bah, it'll never happen.
How very libertarian of you...
The opposite of this is anti everything that isn't in the bible, but spend spend spend on military bloated/abused entitlement and other welfare (both corporate and non-corporate) programs (to include military) despite the current state of the economy.

Kinda like the current GOP DNC.

Fixed. Or rather, updated to show how both sides have the baseline fiscal discipline of sailors with unlimited booze and expense accounts.

And the "anti everything that isn't in the Bible" bit is not the majority of the GOP--it's the fringe elements that get press because they say stupid shit. You Euros/Aussies really have a skewed view of the US because the vast majority of what you get about us is what makes the news; and what makes the news is usually pablum nonsense.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2012-10-25 19:23:55

#895

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6739

Jay wrote:
Jamie Oliver is a complete fucking twat.

imagine gordon ramsay trying to change the system. people will be scared shitless lol

2012-10-25 19:28:18

#896

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5201|Sydney

FEOS wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
FEOS wrote:

How very libertarian of you...
The opposite of this is anti everything that isn't in the bible, but spend spend spend on military bloated/abused entitlement and other welfare (both corporate and non-corporate) programs (to include military) despite the current state of the economy.

Kinda like the current GOP DNC.
Fixed. Or rather, updated to show how both sides have the baseline fiscal discipline of sailors with unlimited booze and expense accounts.

And the "anti everything that isn't in the Bible" bit is not the majority of the GOP--it's the fringe elements that get press because they say stupid shit. You Euros/Aussies really have a skewed view of the US because the vast majority of what you get about us is what makes the news; and what makes the news is usually pablum nonsense.

You can't honestly say Sarah Palin was a "fringe element". They choose people to run as VP because the reflect the majority of the voter base.

2012-10-25 19:29:15

#897

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6739

Jaekus wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Jaekus wrote:

The opposite of this is anti everything that isn't in the bible, but spend spend spend on military bloated/abused entitlement and other welfare (both corporate and non-corporate) programs (to include military) despite the current state of the economy.

Kinda like the current GOP DNC.
Fixed. Or rather, updated to show how both sides have the baseline fiscal discipline of sailors with unlimited booze and expense accounts.

And the "anti everything that isn't in the Bible" bit is not the majority of the GOP--it's the fringe elements that get press because they say stupid shit. You Euros/Aussies really have a skewed view of the US because the vast majority of what you get about us is what makes the news; and what makes the news is usually pablum nonsense.
You can't honestly say Sarah Palin was a "fringe element". They choose people to run as VP because the reflect the majority of the voter base.

They chose her because she was a "young" woman since McCain is an old white man, same reason that Obama chose Biden to balance out the ticket.

2012-10-25 19:29:19

#898

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Cybargs wrote:
Jay wrote:
Jamie Oliver is a complete fucking twat.
imagine gordon ramsay trying to change the system. people will be scared shitless lol

He's a twat too, but at least he backs up him pomposity and keeps it in his sphere of expertise.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 19:31:13

#899

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5381|London, England

Jaekus wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Jaekus wrote:

The opposite of this is anti everything that isn't in the bible, but spend spend spend on military bloated/abused entitlement and other welfare (both corporate and non-corporate) programs (to include military) despite the current state of the economy.

Kinda like the current GOP DNC.
Fixed. Or rather, updated to show how both sides have the baseline fiscal discipline of sailors with unlimited booze and expense accounts.

And the "anti everything that isn't in the Bible" bit is not the majority of the GOP--it's the fringe elements that get press because they say stupid shit. You Euros/Aussies really have a skewed view of the US because the vast majority of what you get about us is what makes the news; and what makes the news is usually pablum nonsense.
You can't honestly say Sarah Palin was a "fringe element". They choose people to run as VP because the reflect the majority of the voter base.

No, they chose her because she was female, unknown, figured she had few skeletons in her closet, and had shown a decent amount of skill as a governor. I doubt they realized she was a blooming idiot and would flub her very first television interview. That interview destroyed her, not anything else she did or said.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-10-25 19:31:44

#900

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6520

FEOS wrote:
You Euros/Aussies really have a skewed view of the US because the vast majority of what you get about us is what makes the news;

yeah. nothing to see here. come back in two weeks, we'll have legitimate rape, Rmoneycare, an invasion of iran and the first president that can talk out both sides of his mouth around his foot while his head is stuck up his ass.

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