eleven bravo wrote:
so youre not a citizen
bill of rights dont apply to him leleleven bravo wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
so youre not a citizen
I'm not afraid of guns, I'm afraid when people like this get hold of guns.Jay wrote:
I ask again, why are you afraid of guns?
Because having a gun makes you bullet-proof, OK.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Dilbert, if that man wanted to kill me I'm sure he could find some way of getting a gun even if guns were illegal. On top of that, I'd rather us BOTH have weapons so that I can defend myself legally than only him have one.
Having a gun gives me a way to equalize force and give me a good chance at defending myself. If it were him and I in a fist fight, I would lose. Him and I in a knife fight, I would lose. When you step things up to guns I can actually defend myself. I'm not very weak but I have no clue how to fight, I do however, know very well how to shoot.Dilbert_X wrote:
Because having a gun makes you bullet-proof, OK.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Dilbert, if that man wanted to kill me I'm sure he could find some way of getting a gun even if guns were illegal. On top of that, I'd rather us BOTH have weapons so that I can defend myself legally than only him have one.
it is awfully hard to run away from a gunfight though - less so a fist fight.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Having a gun gives me a way to equalize force and give me a good chance at defending myself. If it were him and I in a fist fight, I would lose. Him and I in a knife fight, I would lose. When you step things up to guns I can actually defend myself. I'm not very weak but I have no clue how to fight, I do however, know very well how to shoot.Dilbert_X wrote:
Because having a gun makes you bullet-proof, OK.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Dilbert, if that man wanted to kill me I'm sure he could find some way of getting a gun even if guns were illegal. On top of that, I'd rather us BOTH have weapons so that I can defend myself legally than only him have one.
By having a gun, I can defend myself.
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The War on Guns would be as pointless and oppressive as the War on Drugs has been. Even your own country gave up on that silly nonsense.Shocking wrote:
A gun is meant to do one thing only and that is kill.
I don't see why civilians should have them. If everyone has weapons it significantly increases the chance of people being seriously hurt or killed in violent encounters and it makes riots / civil unrest that much more dangerous. It also makes the job of law enforcement officers more dangerous, particularly in house searches. From what I've gathered the US police force relies heavily on SWAT teams for even the most inane things leading to people being killed unnecessarily. Remember the incidence of a SWAT team shooting an Iraq war vet on a 'drug raid' (search for.. marijuana)? SWAT teams are sent all over the place for that sort of shit all because you have to assume everyone has guns. I can't blame them.
That criminals would get their hands on guns regardless of their legality may be true, but at the same time it makes it much harder for them (the criminals) to get them in the first place. Making guns illegal altogether also makes it much easier for law enforcement to track gun dealership as you know where to look. So: the criminals have less guns, the public has no guns and I guarantee that gun-related crimes, injuries&deaths will recede.
If you're concerned about your own safety pick up a martial art or something, it'll help 1000x more than a gun. Besides, were someone to point a gun at you, you've already lost. You won't have the time to draw down on him anymore, and if you do, chances are you'll end up dead. I can only see possession of a gun being useful in one situation and that's when someone breaks into your house. The thing is, the safety gun ownership allegedly provides is a fake one. That you have one doesn't mean shit... do you know how to react in a situation where you'll actually need it and use it accordingly? No. 99% of the people with no proper training will not react timely or accordingly to a dangerous situation, they'll stand there having a brain freeze of sorts before they even realise what's going on. (perfect example: a 911 dispatcher having to tell a gun owner to use her gun link ) So, again, pick up a martial art. Something like krav-maga which is purely oriented on street fighting - you'll get the confidence and training you need to actually be safe.
Lastly, that guns safeguard your country from being lorded over by a dictator is also bollocks. As dilbert pointed out (oh wow I'm agreeing with dil), military hardware will make quick work out of civs toting guns.
Partially, yep. Legalizing marijuana was a good idea.Jay wrote:
Even your own country gave up on that silly nonsense.
it's pretty easy to kill someone with one blow fwiw-Sh1fty- wrote:
A fist fight isn't to the death. A gun fight often is.
I'm confident in my shooting skills.
Hunting? Only a third of the U.S. is anywhere near as densely populated as the U.K. Hunting deer goes beyond a pastime hobby and in down times people make living/subsist on hunting.Shocking wrote:
I don't see why civilians should have them.
For a country of over 300 million and one of the most gun heavy in the world we have suprsingly few instances of gun related deaths. Only 30,000 per year. Of those over 50% are suicides. The likelihood of getting killed by a gun is minimal despite whatever your T.V. tells you. If you own a gun in the U.S. you are more likely to kill yourself than ever hurt another human being. It's not the wild west over here.If everyone has weapons it significantly increases the chance of people being seriously hurt or killed in violent encounters and it makes riots / civil unrest that much more dangerous.
That is an issue of our drug policy and not of our gun policy..From what I've gathered the US police force relies heavily on SWAT teams for even the most inane things leading to people being killed unnecessarily.
Also a failure of our drug policy.Remember the incidence of a SWAT team shooting an Iraq war vet on a 'drug raid' (search for.. marijuana)? SWAT teams are sent all over the place for that sort of shit all because you have to assume everyone has guns. I can't blame them.
Again I have to refer you to my gun deaths stats. Going full draco and clamping down on everyone in order to try to prevent 30,000 deaths a year is silly. If you want to stop people from dying you should be advocating for mandatory engine sizes to be stuck at 4 cylinders. More people die in this country in auto accidents and because of speeding every year than due to guns. 37,000 deaths per year due to auto accidents. Should we collectively punish everyone by forcing them to use small engines because 0.000110737% of our population die in auto accidents? No that is a ridiculous over reaction.That criminals would get their hands on guns regardless of their legality may be true, but at the same time it makes it much harder for them to get them in the first place. Making guns illegal altogether also makes it much easier for law enforcement to track gun dealership as you know where to look. So: the criminals have less guns, the public has no guns and I guarantee that gun-related crimes, injuries&deaths will recede.
Depends. Like I said to shifty- I can kill him with my bare hands. A 250 pounder can also kill me with his bare hands. That girl from your link could have also been killed by the guy with his bare hands. Brazilian Jujitsu would not have helped her at all.If you're concerned about your own safety pick up a martial art or something, it'll help 1000x more than a gun.
I don't see how you can say that 99% of people will brain freeze in that situation when the woman in your link was able to call the police and ask what should she do. She survived. Had she not had a gun to protect her she may very well have been stabbed to death. Going by the picture of her my little self {140 lb.) could over power her and kill her easily. The two guys coming into her house would easily do the same.No. 99% of the people with no proper training will not react timely or accordingly to a dangerous situation, they'll stand there having a brain freeze of sorts before they even realise what's going on. (perfect example: a 911 dispatcher having to tell a gun owner to use her gun link )
gun-related crimes, injuries&deathsMacbeth wrote:
For a country of over 300 million and one of the most gun heavy in the world we have suprsingly few instances of gun related deaths. Only 30,000 per year. Of those over 50% are suicides. The likelihood of getting killed by a gun is minimal despite whatever your T.V. tells you. If you own a gun in the U.S. you are more likely to kill yourself than ever hurt another human being. It's not the wild west over here.
So the knowledge that everyone has guns doesn't at all factor in the actions of the police? cmon. I would say that it's iconic of the fact that a SWAT team gets sent to search a house for marijuana.Macbeth wrote:
That is an issue of our drug policy and not of our gun policy..
First, 'that situation' was an example.Macbeth wrote:
I don't see how you can say that 99% of people will brain freeze in that situation
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Alright I'll concede the point.Jay wrote:
No, the actions of the police are an overreaction to 9/11. Police departments were basically given a blank check by the Department of Homeland Security to purchase whatever toys they felt they wanted. They were also given access to the militaries armories. This is why bumfuck towns in the middle of nowhere have riot tanks, and every town seems to have a newly formed SWAT team. One of the 'benefits' for the past administration aside from getting to start an offensive war with political cover, was to open up a brand new market for the American defense industry: the police departments. Now, because these police departments are not full of ex Navy SEALs and instead mostly full of half-trained amateurs, people have been dying in raids.
Making guns illegal wouldn't remove these paramilitary SWAT teams, it would give them an excuse to conduct even more raids, and even more people would die at the hands of the police.
You're wrong.
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Can you cite how many people are injured by guns every year? I'm saying- it is not worth burning down the house over.gun-related crimes, injuries&deaths
To say that everyone possessing guns doesn't at all effect crime statistics on the matter is laughable tbh. There is no argument there.
And your 'example' was shit. I didn't add to your argument at all.First, 'that situation' was an example.
Second, generally, people definitely brain freeze in a dangerous situation (by very nature these usually are unexpected). It's like catching a deer in your headlights.
oh btw a martial art doesn't just teach you to fight. It is useful if you want to feel safe wether you weigh 100 or 250.
