Very useful information but it looks like Congress is really getting paid off hard for this one with so many companies backing the bill so I feel like they'd really actually try to override itunnamednewbie13 wrote:
Also relevant (veto overrides): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Un … ial_vetoes
This wasn't even mismarketed to look good though, everyone on the internet(cuz the media sure isn't covering it, it's in their best interest of course) has been saying how obviously shitty it is, Congress knows it and they're not even trying to disguise it as such, they're just blatantly pushing it through anyway cuz they're getting paid massive amounts of money to do it by a huge amount of too-rich-to-fail corporations that want to maximize profits as much as they can. It's absolutely fucking sickeningDUnlimited wrote:
it's not like this is the first time politicians have the power to decide on things that are mismarketed to look good in the inexperienced eye. I still don't see it passing though.
Yep, I figure the NDAA is just the groundwork so they can pass this and other completely senseless shit in at least the next year that it's good forAussieReaper wrote:
Pretty sure the US just passed indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial.
If they will pass that, SOPA should be a forgone conclusion.
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People should be left to pirate as they please amirite?_j5689_ wrote:
This wasn't even mismarketed to look good though, everyone on the internet(cuz the media sure isn't covering it, it's in their best interest of course) has been saying how obviously shitty it is, Congress knows it and they're not even trying to disguise it as such, they're just blatantly pushing it through anyway cuz they're getting paid massive amounts of money to do it by a huge amount of too-rich-to-fail corporations that want to maximize profits as much as they can. It's absolutely fucking sickeningDUnlimited wrote:
it's not like this is the first time politicians have the power to decide on things that are mismarketed to look good in the inexperienced eye. I still don't see it passing though.
it is marketed and pushed as a proper way of fighting piracy, which it is not_j5689_ wrote:
This wasn't even mismarketed to look good though, everyone on the internet(cuz the media sure isn't covering it, it's in their best interest of course) has been saying how obviously shitty it is, Congress knows it and they're not even trying to disguise it as such, they're just blatantly pushing it through anyway cuz they're getting paid massive amounts of money to do it by a huge amount of too-rich-to-fail corporations that want to maximize profits as much as they can. It's absolutely fucking sickeningDUnlimited wrote:
it's not like this is the first time politicians have the power to decide on things that are mismarketed to look good in the inexperienced eye. I still don't see it passing though.
The Senate already passed it, so the conservatively dominated House will almost surely pass it as well and then the only thing that can stop it will be Obama if Congress chooses not to override his veto.Macbeth wrote:
The U.S. senate is a mess right now. You won't be able to get anything through it. Especially something as contentious.
Everything will be fine.
No the Senate judiciary committee passed the Protect IP bill. It still hasn't moved onto a Senate vote. The house bill- SOPA- is still stuck in it's committee. After it gets out of committee it has to go to the CBO IIRC before it goes to a vote._j5689_ wrote:
The Senate already passed it, so the conservatively dominated House will almost surely pass it as well and then the only thing that can stop it will be Obama if Congress chooses not to override his veto.Macbeth wrote:
The U.S. senate is a mess right now. You won't be able to get anything through it. Especially something as contentious.
Everything will be fine.
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Ah that makes a lot more sense then. It honestly made no sense to me that this would've actually passed in the Senate anywayMacbeth wrote:
No the Senate judiciary committee passed the Protect IP bill. It still hasn't moved onto a Senate vote. The house bill- SOPA- is still stuck in it's committee. After it gets out of committee it has to go to the CBO IIRC before it goes to a vote._j5689_ wrote:
The Senate already passed it, so the conservatively dominated House will almost surely pass it as well and then the only thing that can stop it will be Obama if Congress chooses not to override his veto.Macbeth wrote:
The U.S. senate is a mess right now. You won't be able to get anything through it. Especially something as contentious.
Everything will be fine.
I am not trying to downplay how much the bill sucks but don't buy into the propaganda.
FFS, I provided a link in like the second post that explained it wasn't out of the House yet..._j5689_ wrote:
Ah that makes a lot more sense then. It honestly made no sense to me that this would've actually passed in the Senate anywayMacbeth wrote:
No the Senate judiciary committee passed the Protect IP bill. It still hasn't moved onto a Senate vote. The house bill- SOPA- is still stuck in it's committee. After it gets out of committee it has to go to the CBO IIRC before it goes to a vote._j5689_ wrote:
The Senate already passed it, so the conservatively dominated House will almost surely pass it as well and then the only thing that can stop it will be Obama if Congress chooses not to override his veto.
I am not trying to downplay how much the bill sucks but don't buy into the propaganda.
/Japanese-Americans during WW2.AussieReaper wrote:
Pretty sure the US just passed indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial.
Good point. Guess the war on terror should extend to everyone since terror is just a concept.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
/Japanese-Americans during WW2.AussieReaper wrote:
Pretty sure the US just passed indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial.
/hope&changeAussieReaper wrote:
Good point. Guess the war on terror should extend to everyone since terror is just a concept.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
/Japanese-Americans during WW2.AussieReaper wrote:
Pretty sure the US just passed indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial.
Sorry, I think it was like 2 in the morning when I clicked on that and I just took one glance at everything(not including the headline) and was TL;DRFEOS wrote:
FFS, I provided a link in like the second post that explained it wasn't out of the House yet..._j5689_ wrote:
Ah that makes a lot more sense then. It honestly made no sense to me that this would've actually passed in the Senate anywayMacbeth wrote:
No the Senate judiciary committee passed the Protect IP bill. It still hasn't moved onto a Senate vote. The house bill- SOPA- is still stuck in it's committee. After it gets out of committee it has to go to the CBO IIRC before it goes to a vote.
I am not trying to downplay how much the bill sucks but don't buy into the propaganda.
That's intended to be able to fight the torrent search engines, like most bit torrent sites don't host the copyrighted material, they just point to it.Jay wrote:
My main problem with SOPA is its intent to punish search engines for the content of sites not under its control. What a fucking mess that will be.
Right, so because the government is inept at actually enforcing the laws it has on its books, it's going to force search engines to do the policing for it.AussieReaper wrote:
That's intended to be able to fight the torrent search engines, like most bit torrent sites don't host the copyrighted material, they just point to it.Jay wrote:
My main problem with SOPA is its intent to punish search engines for the content of sites not under its control. What a fucking mess that will be.
The way the bill has been written is just all encompassing and that's what the concern of many is.
Now its all Americans.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
/Japanese-Americans during WW2.AussieReaper wrote:
Pretty sure the US just passed indefinite military detention of American citizens without charge or trial.
