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Dilbert_X
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Really.

Britain didn't actually build or own the Suez canal, they owned shares in it for which they were going to be paid market value.
Really not a big deal. Israel being blockaded was a bigger deal, for Israel at least.

Without Britain, France, America etc supporting Israel against Egypt its unlikely this would have happened in this way.

Seems Israel has been a strong driver for the Muslim Brotherhood, not the irrelevance anti-Arab revisionists with an agenda claim it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Israel
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uziq
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i've covered this exhaustively before in the past. the history of anti-semitism in the muslim brotherhood. the role of the grand mufti of jerusalem. you're literally not telling me anything new. i have read several books on this subject and the fascist tendency in islam.

my point, again, was that the muslim world could find plenty of reasons to seed radicalism and terrorism against the west. anti-western feeling in places like iran are not reducible to israel. there is a history of colonialism, of foreign meddling and economic influence (including britain being a major share-holder in a national asset that wasn't believed to be generating enough wealth for egyptian citizens; this is textbook neo-colonialism), and of resistance to 'westernization' and the importing of western culture/values.

none of this has anything to do with zionism.
SuperJail Warden
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation is reviewing claims Rep. Ilhan Omar married her brother, The Post has learned.

Two FBI agents held an hours-long meeting in Minnesota in mid-October with a concerned party who handed over a trove of documents regarding Omar’s 2009 marriage to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, a source with knowledge of the event said.

At the meeting, first reported by website The Blaze, the agents discussed concerns the Somali-born Democrat married Elmi, a British citizen rumored to be her brother, so he could obtain a green card and study in America, the source said.

The two agents said they would share the information with the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the US Department of Education, but did not commit to opening an investigation into the firebrand lawmaker, the source said.
Wow, immigration fraud. She will not get into trouble though. All she has to say is that it was a real marriage and the disgusting leftist social justice warriors will embrace incest as a lifestyle choice.
Dilbert_X
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This is interesting:

In the early 1950s, the United States initiated a more activist policy of support for Egyptian nationalism; this aim was often in contrast with Britain's policy of maintaining its regional hegemony. Israel feared that the US policy, which encouraged Britain to withdraw its military forces from the Suez Canal, would embolden the military ambitions towards Israel of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the President of Egypt. Israel at first sought to influence this policy through diplomatic means, but was frustrated.[4]

In the summer of 1954, Colonel Binyamin Gibli, the chief of Israel's military intelligence directorate Aman, initiated 'Operation Susannah' in order to reverse that decision. The goal of the Operation was to carry out bombings and other acts of sabotage in Egypt, with the aim of creating an atmosphere in which the British and American opponents of British withdrawal from Egypt would be able to gain the upper hand and block the British withdrawal from Egypt.

According to historian Shabtai Teveth, who wrote one of the more detailed accounts, the assignment was "To undermine Western confidence in the existing Egyptian regime by generating public insecurity and actions to bring about arrests, demonstrations, and acts of revenge, while totally concealing the Israeli factor. The team was accordingly urged to avoid detection, so that suspicion would fall on the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

Seems there wasn't a whole lot of Anti-Semitism, just Israel causing trouble and trying to pin it on egyptian nationalists.
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uziq
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a large number of nasser's military and administration had ties to nazi germany. there was an overlap of ideology.

anti-semitism was aggressively promoted and published, with the circulation of propaganda like 'the protocols of the elders of zion', in nascent nationalist regimes such as egypt.

all this is well-covered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_von_Leers

'there wasn't a whole lot of anti-semitism' apparently. just a bunch of senior nazi propaganda officers publishing rabidly anti-semitic screeds, converting to islam, taking a muslim name, and working in egypt. damn those nefarious israelis and their subterfuge!

next you'll tell me that wikipedia is staffed by jews.

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Dilbert_X
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What does any of that have to do with Israelis planting bombs in Egypt in 1954?
It seems they weren't too focused on any particular group.

But I'm sure the Egyptians became 'anti-semitic' for congenital reasons, nothing to do with Israel causing trouble on the border.
suspicion would fall on the Muslim Brotherhood, the Communists, 'unspecified malcontents' or 'local nationalists'.
Was America 'anti-semitic' in encouraging Egyptian nationalism or supplying arms to Israel but denying them to Egypt?

Next you'll tell me that American Presidents have all been Nazis.

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uziq
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i'm struggling to see how you're getting confused. the nazis literally had active propagandists and contacts in nasser's egypt. part of nasser's military rule was based on nationalist ideology developed by the nazis. black propaganda like the aforementioned 'protocols ...' are still widely read and cited by islamic scholars in places like egypt today, despite the fact that they were distributed and published in the arab world by the nazis. the link is all too apparent.

why would i claim an american president is a nazi? america has its own geopolitical aims in the region. it's not an either/or situation. you're being really incredibly dense.
SuperJail Warden
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Fascist movements in Europe had a definite link to the development of Arab Socialism and the political movements that took power in Iraq, Syria, and Egypt. Antisemitism was secondary to the opposition to British colonialism though. The Nazis and Arabs were interested in each other because they both wanted to collapse the British Empire.

If you want to blame someone for anti-Semitism in the Middle East, the British need to take a bit of it for introducing the Jews as major political force in the Middle East.
uziq
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a few pages ago dilbert was insisting that the islamic world has no reason whatsoever to hate europe or the brits. it's like suez never happened and Israel have been provoking everyone in the region for 100 years.
Dilbert_X
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Israel have been provoking everyone in the region for 100 years
Thats exactly what they've been doing. Enmity between the Arabs and the Israelis predates the existence of the Nazis, the Zionist plan to drive the Palestinians out of Palestine predates Hitler's birth.

This idea that arabs hate the jews because all arabs are nazis is ludicrous, a kind of blood-libel.

If your argument, that Arab terrorism is founded in anti-British and other anti-colonialist sentiment why is the bulk of Arab etc anger directed at Israel and America? Makes no sense, when America was supporting arab nationalists.
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SuperJail Warden
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I noticed Arabic girl students are pretty smart and are generally good students. They are also calm and easy to get along with. They are better students than the Arabic males. I think one of the reasons the Middle East is behind the west might be due to them not taking advantage of the full potential of women.
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ya think!!?
SuperJail Warden
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I am glad that we agree.

And the reason they mistreat women? Islam. There is a direct connection that proves that Islam destroyed the Middle East.
uziq
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yeah, unlike the christian right, that champion of women’s lib and equality.
SuperJail Warden
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The Christian right is not the majority of Christians. Dismissal of women's rights is the mainstream opinion of Muslims. Proof? Look at Muslim countries.

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