Arctic Sea Ice Continues Decline, Hits 2nd-Lowest Level

2011-10-11 21:08:01

#51

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6410|what

FEOS wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
FEOS wrote:

I think you're putting more emphasis on his words than he did. He simply said there is still room for debate, discussion, and learning...because we don't know everything about how the earth and the atmosphere work. He never used the term "severe question" or anything similar. In fact, he didn't explicitly discount anthropogenic climate change as a factor.
Let's deny evolution because the science is still "in the air", teach the controversy!

See the paralells?
If I had used the word "deny" or implied "denying" anything, then maybe. Since I didn't...no.

"I think you're putting more emphasis on his words than he did. He simply said there is still room for debate, discussion, and learning...because we don't know everything about how the earth and the atmosphere work."

We don't know everything about how the atmosphere works = climate change isn't man made ?

We don't have a complete fossil record = evolution isn't true ?

There's institutions and labs and scientists the world over who agree man has had a negative impact towards climate change. If the counter argument to the facts is that not all facts are known you might as well discount everything.

2011-10-11 22:14:13

#52

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6931|Canberra, AUS

the bigger unseen threat ofc isn't the environmental threat, it's that about 10-15 years down the road everyone will have a collective oh-shit moment and impose some seriously seriously nasty measures to make up.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-10-11 22:25:37

#53

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6879|Little Bentcock

AussieReaper wrote:
FEOS wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:

Let's deny evolution because the science is still "in the air", teach the controversy!

See the paralells?
If I had used the word "deny" or implied "denying" anything, then maybe. Since I didn't...no.
"I think you're putting more emphasis on his words than he did. He simply said there is still room for debate, discussion, and learning...because we don't know everything about how the earth and the atmosphere work."

We don't know everything about how the atmosphere works = climate change isn't man made ?

We don't have a complete fossil record = evolution isn't true ?

There's institutions and labs and scientists the world over who agree man has had a negative impact towards climate change. If the counter argument to the facts is that not all facts are known you might as well discount everything.

That's not a very good comparison tbh. We have enough pieces of puzzle to all but confirm evolution, it all just makes sense. Climate change, however, is a little more in the dark. There is a lot of research to show, that while we are contributing, it is a miniscule amount, and that we are just moving with the motions of the Earth. While on the other hand there are lots of studies to show we are having a large impact on it.

Maybe comparing it to Michael Jackson touching children is a little more accurate.

2011-10-11 22:43:59

#54

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6931|Canberra, AUS

Adams_BJ wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
FEOS wrote:

If I had used the word "deny" or implied "denying" anything, then maybe. Since I didn't...no.
"I think you're putting more emphasis on his words than he did. He simply said there is still room for debate, discussion, and learning...because we don't know everything about how the earth and the atmosphere work."

We don't know everything about how the atmosphere works = climate change isn't man made ?

We don't have a complete fossil record = evolution isn't true ?

There's institutions and labs and scientists the world over who agree man has had a negative impact towards climate change. If the counter argument to the facts is that not all facts are known you might as well discount everything.
That's not a very good comparison tbh. We have enough pieces of puzzle to all but confirm evolution, it all just makes sense. Climate change, however, is a little more in the dark. There is a lot of research to show, that while we are contributing, it is a miniscule amount, and that we are just moving with the motions of the Earth. While on the other hand there are lots of studies to show we are having a large impact on it.

Maybe comparing it to Michael Jackson touching children is a little more accurate.

no, there isn't. not research that hasn't been laughed out of town for making basic mathematical errors, that is. can say almost anything if you start fudging the equations.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-10-11 23:38:55

#55

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6363|eXtreme to the maX

We are contributing a huge amount to future climate change, we just aren't seeing the effects yet, there's not much argument about it really.

Fuck Israel

2011-10-12 04:25:07

#56

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7028|PNW

Kmar wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
My bread has disintegrated. This is evidence for ant-made larder nibbling.

Cybargs wrote:
wasnt jupiter heating up as well?
Space SUV's.
Jupiter's temperature is largely regulated by it's own internal heat. The comparison between our planet and it is flawed from the get-go.

I'm pretty sure we were being facetious.

2011-10-12 05:27:46

#57

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6668|'Murka

AussieReaper wrote:
FEOS wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:

Let's deny evolution because the science is still "in the air", teach the controversy!

See the paralells?
If I had used the word "deny" or implied "denying" anything, then maybe. Since I didn't...no.
"I think you're putting more emphasis on his words than he did. He simply said there is still room for debate, discussion, and learning...because we don't know everything about how the earth and the atmosphere work."

We don't know everything about how the atmosphere works = climate change isn't man made ?

We don't have a complete fossil record = evolution isn't true ?

There's institutions and labs and scientists the world over who agree man has had a negative impact towards climate change. If the counter argument to the facts is that not all facts are known you might as well discount everything.

And again...Bryce never said that man isn't contributing to climate change in that article.

Reading comprehension ftw.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-12 05:30:35

#58

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6363|eXtreme to the maX

We don't know everything, just as we don't know precisely how smoking causes lung cancer.

Correlation between smoking and lung cancer is pretty well accepted, just as correlation between atmospheric CO2 and climate over the last few millenia is fairly well understood.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-10-12 05:30:57)

Fuck Israel

2011-10-12 05:37:53

#59

FloppY_: +1,010|6543|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

Dilbert_X wrote:
We don't know everything, just as we don't know precisely how smoking causes lung cancer.

Correlation between smoking and lung cancer is pretty well accepted, just as correlation between atmospheric CO2 and climate over the last few millenia is fairly well understood.

What do we know about the correlation between sales of Call of Duty and Intelligence?

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2011-10-12 05:41:05

#60

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6363|eXtreme to the maX

Dunno, there's something with ADHD, not sure about intelligence.

Fuck Israel

2011-10-12 11:40:04

#61

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6858|132 and Bush

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Kmar wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
My bread has disintegrated. This is evidence for ant-made larder nibbling.

Space SUV's.
Jupiter's temperature is largely regulated by it's own internal heat. The comparison between our planet and it is flawed from the get-go.
I'm pretty sure we were being facetious.

If you're not completely sure you weren't.

..and yes, that's a genuine claim by skeptics.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2011-10-12 19:42:38

#62

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6947|Tampa Bay Florida

AussieReaper wrote:
you might as well discount everything.

including gravity!

2011-10-14 21:18:14

#63

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6858|132 and Bush

Spearhead wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
you might as well discount everything.
including gravity!

and penicillin

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2011-10-14 22:28:26

#64

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7028|PNW

Kmar wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Kmar wrote:

Jupiter's temperature is largely regulated by it's own internal heat. The comparison between our planet and it is flawed from the get-go.
I'm pretty sure we were being facetious.
If you're not completely sure you weren't.

..and yes, that's a genuine claim by skeptics.

Anyway...

It seems to be clear that this is a further consequence of the man-made global warming with global consequences.

Sorry if I can't take sensationalist journalism seriously. I don't think man's footprint has no effect, just that it can hardly be the only cause. I was interested up until that point. Absurd statements spawn silly replies.

2011-10-14 22:35:34

#65

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6858|132 and Bush

One of four links in the op... and actually.

Germans (uni-bremen) and not the Journalist wrote:
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de/seaice/amsr/minimum2011-en.pdf
As for sea ice extent, the University of Bremen (in Germany) reports it reached a new historic minimum of 4.24 million square kilometers on September 8. In a press release it stated:

It seems to be clear that this is a further consequence of the man-made global warming with global consequences.

http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de/seaice/ams … 011-en.pdf

Focus little grass hoppa.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2011-10-14 23:31:14

#66

-Sh1fty-: plundering yee booty; +510|5730|Ventura, California

There was a heat wave here in Ventura yesterday and Wednesday. Must have been because I drove that extra mile Tuesday.

lol @ man-made global warming

And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.

2011-10-14 23:36:37

#67

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6858|132 and Bush

what a small small world you inhabit Shifty

lol

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2011-10-14 23:36:59

#68

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7028|PNW

Kmar wrote:
Focus little grass hoppa.

Patronizing? Seriously?

Hey, it's your thread. Have fun.

2011-10-14 23:41:23

#69

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6858|132 and Bush

Damn, lighten up man. The content was above that.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2011-10-15 01:45:46

#70

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6931|Canberra, AUS

-Sh1fty- wrote:
There was a heat wave here in Ventura yesterday and Wednesday. Must have been because I drove that extra mile Tuesday.

lol @ man-made global warming

do you try to be this dumb or does it come naturally

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-10-15 04:29:42

#71

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6668|'Murka

Kmar wrote:
One of four links in the op... and actually.

Germans (uni-bremen) and not the Journalist wrote:
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de/seaice/amsr/minimum2011-en.pdf
As for sea ice extent, the University of Bremen (in Germany) reports it reached a new historic minimum of 4.24 million square kilometers on September 8. In a press release it stated:

It seems to be clear that this is a further consequence of the man-made global warming with global consequences.
http://www.iup.uni-bremen.de/seaice/ams … 011-en.pdf

Focus little grass hoppa.

The problem is that the arctic ice study seems to assume global warming is a wholly man-made phenomenon.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-15 04:35:07

#72

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5842

How many scientific papers have you ever read FEOS? They tend to make sweeping statements, conclusions, etc...

I don't understand the focus everyone is putting on that one line.

2011-10-15 04:39:28

#73

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6668|'Murka

Macbeth wrote:
How many scientific papers have you ever read FEOS? They tend to make sweeping statements, conclusions, etc...

I don't understand the focus everyone is putting on that one line.

I'm an engineer and I'm in the business of technical testing.

So I've read (and written) a few...hundredish+. Hence why I pointed it out. Making a sweeping statement that is not tied to your study--and basing your conclusion on it--is flawed.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-15 04:48:11

#74

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6256|...

AussieReaper wrote:
There's institutions and labs and scientists the world over who agree man has had a negative impact towards climate change.

Yes, they do. The problem is that nobody really knows how severe our impact has been and how much of it is part of a natural cycle. Future models made by climate scientists consistently fail in their predictions, something caused by having a computer try to simulate something as complex as the earth's climate, plus the fact that we don't know enough.

The problem lies with people who throw the science out the window without even looking at it and others who are overly zealous in trying to impose the idea of global warming, putting way too much trust in current climate models. Many have pointed out the problem with computer models, leading to these people being crucified by the (tbh) religious cult around the GW debate. Add to that, that the problem is heavily politicized because of the worldwide implications it has and the fact that denying OR promoting GW is of vital interest to many industries.

The science has been hijacked completely and by now I really wonder what the point is. There's nothing we can do about climate change directly and the idea that we could 'save the planet' is hopelessly naive.

As the Maldives pointed out recently, "climate talks 'stupid and endless'".
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/un-climate-tal … 44372.html

Last edited by Shocking (2011-10-15 04:48:37)

inane little opines

2011-10-15 05:26:23

#75

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6931|Canberra, AUS

Shocking wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
There's institutions and labs and scientists the world over who agree man has had a negative impact towards climate change.
Yes, they do. The problem is that nobody really knows how severe our impact has been and how much of it is part of a natural cycle. Future models made by climate scientists consistently fail in their predictions, something caused by having a computer try to simulate something as complex as the earth's climate, plus the fact that we don't know enough.

Based on what?

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

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