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Do you think the Battle of Tours was a history shaping event that confirmed Euro autonomy from the east or do you think Muslim expansion had reached it's natural limit?

The battle is often cited as the event that 'saved Europe from Islam' by some historians while others downplay it as a strictly European event without much significance to the whole east-west thing. The latter group contends that Muslim expansion into Europe was at it's natural limit having been so far removed from it's bases of power. The same group argues that despite the Battle lose the east still was in the lead and power would have shifted west regardless due to the other issues that destroyed the Muslim world. Finally the fate of Muslim Spain is held up as an example of the ineffectiveness of longterm Muslim rule deep into Christian land.

It's a good argument I will have to really mull over sometime. What do you guys think?

Did the Frenchies save Christianity in Europe or did the Muslims just not have what it took to eat all of Europe?

Last edited by Macbeth (2011-10-05 11:55:54)

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indonesia is pretty damn far from mecca
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Jay
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eleven bravo wrote:

indonesia is pretty damn far from mecca
I was thinking something similar.
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Macbeth
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No, hurricane. I just enjoy reading about history. I blame it on the history channel.
FEOS
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Look how far Islam spread into sub-Saharan Africa. Compare to Europe. Should answer your question regarding limits of reach.
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Macbeth
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FEOS wrote:

Look how far Islam spread into sub-Saharan Africa. Compare to Europe. Should answer your question regarding limits of reach.
TODO: FIX GAL IMAGES
Iberia is still Catholic and Christianity is more of an advanced religion than the tribal religions of Africa.

I don't think that  Africa can be used as an example.
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Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Look how far Islam spread into sub-Saharan Africa. Compare to Europe. Should answer your question regarding limits of reach.
TODO: FIX GAL IMAGES
Iberia is still Catholic and Christianity is more of an advanced religion than the tribal religions of Africa.

I don't think that  Africa can be used as an example.
Iberia is Catholic because of the Reconquista and some good old fashioned gencide.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
FEOS
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Macbeth wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Look how far Islam spread into sub-Saharan Africa. Compare to Europe. Should answer your question regarding limits of reach.
TODO: FIX GAL IMAGES
Iberia is still Catholic and Christianity is more of an advanced religion than the tribal religions of Africa.

I don't think that  Africa can be used as an example.
I'm talking about around the time of Mohammed. And what's referred to as "mostly tribal" in Africa is likely Sufi...which is a type of Islam. Regardless...look at your map. Look at how far Islam permeated Africa. Look at relative distance from the Arabian Peninsula. Compare to Europe.

The answer to your question should be self-evident.
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