U.S.-Born Terrorists Killed in CIA-Led Drone Strike

2011-10-01 00:48:21

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5583

Senior Al Qaeda leader Anwar al-Awlaki and another America-born militant were killed in Yemen early Friday morning by a CIA-led U.S. drone strike, marking the highest-profile takedown of terror leaders since the raid on Usama bin Laden's compound.

Fox News has learned that two Predator drones hovering above al-Awlaki's convoy fired the Hellfire missiles which killed the terror leader. According to a senior U.S. official, the operation was carried out by Joint Special Operations Command, under the direction of the CIA. A total of four people were killed in the attack.
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Al-Awlaki was a U.S.-born Islamic militant cleric who became a prominent figure with Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the network's most active branch. He was involved in several terror plots in the United States in recent years, using his fluent English and Internet savvy to draw recruits to carry out attacks. President Obama signed an order in early 2010 making him the first American to be placed on the "kill or capture" list.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09 … z1ZVtcj51Z
Something about this rubs me the wrong way. His views may have been 180° from my own, and he may have been a terrorist hell bent on destroying the country and all but I still don't think he should have been killed in such a way. I don't feel bad for him but the whole 'U.S. citizen by birth killed by the CIA on a presidential death warrant' thing just doesn't feel right.

I am not hearing much from the usual antiwar crowd about this. I can only imagine the moaning if this had happened under Bush in '07..

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2011-10-01 02:53:17

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6104|eXtreme to the maX

So its OK to summarily execute non-Americans without trial, independent review of evidence, never mind collateral damage and so on?

He was an American, your President had him executed, its up to you guys to figure it out.

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2011-10-01 04:00:42

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krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|6778|Great Brown North

good, splat is good

2011-10-01 04:14:55

#4

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6714

Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to summarily execute non-Americans without trial, independent review of evidence, never mind collateral damage and so on?

He was an American, your President had him executed, its up to you guys to figure it out.

So combatants shooting at troops and blowing up civvies getting killed is an execution now?

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2011-10-01 04:16:17

#5

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|5997|...

Because trollbert.

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2011-10-01 04:43:26

#6

venom6: Since day One.; +247|6556|Hungary

^^ Dilbert is preatty right imo.

Some people are equal, but some are much more equal.

2011-10-01 04:54:24

#7

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6672|Canberra, AUS

venom6 wrote:
^^ Dilbert is preatty right imo.

Some people are equal, but some are much more equal.

think this bloke kinda forfeited his "equality" a while back tbh. crying injustice in THIS particular case is pretty stupid.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2011-10-01 05:05:53

#8

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

American citizen or not, he forfeited his Americaness when he fought for the enemy. Americans that fought for Germany in the world wars shouldn't have been plucked from the battlefield before the bullets flew They just picked the wrong side to be on. His citizenship, like theirs, means absolutely nothing.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-10-01 05:54:40

#9

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6104|eXtreme to the maX

Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to summarily execute non-Americans without trial, independent review of evidence, never mind collateral damage and so on?

He was an American, your President had him executed, its up to you guys to figure it out.
So combatants shooting at troops and blowing up civvies getting killed is an execution now?

If its not in a battle, which it wasn't, and he's merely a suspect then yes - its an execution.

Fighting terrorists is not as simple as "this side of front line = good, that side of front line = bad".

Jay wrote:
American citizen or not, he forfeited his Americaness when he fought for the enemy.

Shouldn't the govt have to prove that at some point? Or they can just state that about whoever they want to kill.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-10-01 05:55:38)

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2011-10-01 06:03:43

#10

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

Dilbert_X wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to summarily execute non-Americans without trial, independent review of evidence, never mind collateral damage and so on?

He was an American, your President had him executed, its up to you guys to figure it out.
So combatants shooting at troops and blowing up civvies getting killed is an execution now?
If its not in a battle, which it wasn't, and he's merely a suspect then yes - its an execution.

Fighting terrorists is not as simple as "this side of front line = good, that side of front line = bad".

Jay wrote:
American citizen or not, he forfeited his Americaness when he fought for the enemy.
Shouldn't the govt have to prove that at some point? Or they can just state that about whoever they want to kill.

So it's not proven that he was a member of Al-Qaeda? News to me.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-10-01 06:05:11

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Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

The killings of U.S.-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and another American Al Qaeda propagandist in a U.S. airstrike Friday wipe out the decisive factor that made the terrorist group's Yemen branch the most dangerous threat to the United States: its reach into the West.

Issuing English-language sermons on jihad on the Internet from his hideouts in Yemen's mountains, al-Awlaki drew Muslim recruits like the young Nigerian who tried to bring down a U.S. jet on Christmas and the Pakistani-American behind the botched car bombing in New York City's Times Square.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2011-10-01 06:06:22

#12

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6104|eXtreme to the maX

How has it been 'proven'?

Whoever he is, its not right that a govt can execute someone and then issue a press release and some juicy intel 'proving' it.
Think how dangerous that is - or maybe you trust your govt.

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2011-10-01 06:08:21

#13

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Jay wrote:
The killings of U.S.-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and another American Al Qaeda propagandist in a U.S. airstrike Friday wipe out the decisive factor that made the terrorist group's Yemen branch the most dangerous threat to the United States: its reach into the West.

Issuing English-language sermons on jihad on the Internet from his hideouts in Yemen's mountains, al-Awlaki drew Muslim recruits like the young Nigerian who tried to bring down a U.S. jet on Christmas and the Pakistani-American behind the botched car bombing in New York City's Times Square.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/30/wi … z1ZXEEa9Vb

Yes and Saddam was stockpiling nuclear weapons which could hit Britain in 45 minutes, Colin Powell told the UN so it must be true.

I'm sure this guy was in AQ, but I don't trust the govt enough to let them kill people on a nod and a wink.
Just look at the number of Guantanamo detainees who turned out to have no evidence of anything against them.

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2011-10-01 06:32:02

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5583

Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to summarily execute non-Americans without trial, independent review of evidence, never mind collateral damage and so on?

Yes, because they are not Americans. The only people the state is responsibile to is it's citizens. I am far from a pacifist, mind you.

2011-10-01 07:00:08

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Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,810|6104|eXtreme to the maX

Macbeth wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to summarily execute non-Americans without trial, independent review of evidence, never mind collateral damage and so on?
Yes, because they are not Americans. The only people the state is responsibile to is it's citizens. I am far from a pacifist, mind you.

Ypur country has signed various treaties which say otherwise.

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2011-10-01 07:04:31

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Dilbert_X wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
So its OK to summarily execute non-Americans without trial, independent review of evidence, never mind collateral damage and so on?

He was an American, your President had him executed, its up to you guys to figure it out.
So combatants shooting at troops and blowing up civvies getting killed is an execution now?
If its not in a battle, which it wasn't, and he's merely a suspect then yes - its an execution.

What makes you think it wasn't in battle? Yemen, with US support, has been battling AQ for years.

Dilbert_X wrote:
Fighting terrorists is not as simple as "this side of front line = good, that side of front line = bad".

Exactly. Maybe you should re-read this.

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2011-10-01 07:13:11

#17

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5356|London, England

FEOS wrote:
What makes you think it wasn't in battle? Yemen, with US support, has been battling AQ for years.

Because the word 'assassination' was used by the media, duh.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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2011-10-01 07:16:58

#18

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6409|'Murka

Jay wrote:
FEOS wrote:
What makes you think it wasn't in battle? Yemen, with US support, has been battling AQ for years.
Because the word 'assassination' was used by the media, duh.

So incorrect word usage defines reality now?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-01 08:22:32

#19

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6714

Jay wrote:
American citizen or not, he forfeited his Americaness when he fought for the enemy. Americans that fought for Germany in the world wars shouldn't have been plucked from the battlefield before the bullets flew They just picked the wrong side to be on. His citizenship, like theirs, means absolutely nothing.

Also it is treason. In Australia you can lose your citizenship if you took up arms against the country.

2011-10-01 08:26:59

#20

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5583

So how does the whole drone strike thing work. I mean do you have any idea it's coming? Do you hear the missile or hear the drone or are you just driving along listening to music when all of a sudden- boom fiery death?

2011-10-01 08:27:54

#21

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FEOS wrote:
What makes you think it wasn't in battle? Yemen, with US support, has been battling AQ for years.

thats why you keep your friend salah in power. he can take care of killing the civies, or did he resign, feos?

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2011-10-01 09:38:24

#22

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Macbeth wrote:
So how does the whole drone strike thing work. I mean do you have any idea it's coming? Do you hear the missile or hear the drone or are you just driving along listening to music when all of a sudden- boom fiery death?

War isn't a sport. You attack the enemy when they don't even realize you are there at every opportunity possible.

2011-10-01 10:49:03

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6409|'Murka

Beduin wrote:
FEOS wrote:
What makes you think it wasn't in battle? Yemen, with US support, has been battling AQ for years.
thats why you keep your friend salah in power. he can take care of killing the civies, or did he resign, feos?

We're not doing anything. In fact, we encouraged him to step down. Those who are getting killed at this point aren't exactly "civvies". It's a civil war.

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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2011-10-01 10:55:27

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FEOS wrote:
Beduin wrote:
FEOS wrote:
What makes you think it wasn't in battle? Yemen, with US support, has been battling AQ for years.
thats why you keep your friend salah in power. he can take care of killing the civies, or did he resign, feos?
We're not doing anything. In fact, we encouraged him to step down. Those who are getting killed at this point aren't exactly "civvies". It's a civil war.

Is salah Not an ally?
around 76 demonstrators have been killed. what are they?

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2011-10-01 10:58:53

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FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6409|'Murka

Beduin wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Beduin wrote:

thats why you keep your friend salah in power. he can take care of killing the civies, or did he resign, feos?
We're not doing anything. In fact, we encouraged him to step down. Those who are getting killed at this point aren't exactly "civvies". It's a civil war.
Is salah Not an ally?
around 76 demonstrators have been killed. what are they?

That was long before this turned into a civil war. Yemen is an ally. Saleh himself is not.

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