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Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

He was 15. Not 5. In less than 12 months hes finished school and can get a job and have his own kids. How emotionally underdeveloped do you think 15 year olds are?

It is the parents of the bullies and the victims that are at fault here (I know we aren't allowed to blame parents...boo). Parenting is about imparting life skills on your kids, something in which they have clearly failed. Could the kid not talk to them? I dont know, anything here would be pure speculation but life can be far worse than bullying ffs. As for the bullies parents theres clearly a failing to impart any sort of morality at all which isnt really acceptable but is becoming more common (?).

End of the day what are you going to do? Throw them in prison? How many people do you think will hire somebody convicted of "bullying"? Probably not many. How many instances of "bullying" do you think it will prevent? The appropriate consequences should have been expulsion a long time before it got this far, this is clearly a school / parent issue as it is not up to the government to expel people.
School ends at 17-18 here, not 16.
School ends around 17-18 in england and aussie too, but you have an option of not continuing on school after grade 10. In England they have something called 6th form after grade 10 which is grade 11/12
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yr7-11 is compulsory secondary with second SATs at yr9, and GCSE at year 11
yr12-13 is 6th form with AS level at yr12 and A2 (to complete the A-level) in yr13

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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

He was 15. Not 5. In less than 12 months hes finished school and can get a job and have his own kids. How emotionally underdeveloped do you think 15 year olds are?

It is the parents of the bullies and the victims that are at fault here (I know we aren't allowed to blame parents...boo). Parenting is about imparting life skills on your kids, something in which they have clearly failed. Could the kid not talk to them? I dont know, anything here would be pure speculation but life can be far worse than bullying ffs. As for the bullies parents theres clearly a failing to impart any sort of morality at all which isnt really acceptable but is becoming more common (?).

End of the day what are you going to do? Throw them in prison? How many people do you think will hire somebody convicted of "bullying"? Probably not many. How many instances of "bullying" do you think it will prevent? The appropriate consequences should have been expulsion a long time before it got this far, this is clearly a school / parent issue as it is not up to the government to expel people.
Life can be far worse than bullying you are correct. All the more reason that it does not give anyone the right to make sure your life is a miserable as they can possibly make it until worse does happen.

At the end of the day what can you do to the bullies? How about credits removed from their classes, so they must repeat required classes, how about lowering GPA's, just for being an asshole, how about detention on weekends and forced to sit through some sort of sensitivity training? I think you should still be able to blame the parents for chronic offenders as well, for them, you can fine them. There are things yo can do without turning bullies into criminals. The one thing that is not acceptable to me, is letting them get away with such behavior.

Last edited by lowing (2011-09-30 03:27:48)

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Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
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What I don't get is why none of these parents who's kids committed suicide, doesn't hunt those motherfuckers down. I'm not a father, but I'm pretty sure if I was being bullied to the point of committing suicide, my dad would make sure those kids would disappear of the face of the Earth.


Especially if they're fucking cheering about it after words. That's an automatic death sentence right there, and I don't mean from the courts.

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Because more death is going to solve the problem?
What sort of precedent is that setting? No judicial system in the world is going to condone any of that. As tragic as it is for his family, killing bullies isn't going to make it all better, far from it.
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Mike "The Spooge Gobbler" Morales
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It would make me feel better.
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I agree actually, but the real world model doesn't apply.
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What would Charles Bronson do?
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Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

He was 15. Not 5. In less than 12 months hes finished school and can get a job and have his own kids. How emotionally underdeveloped do you think 15 year olds are?

It is the parents of the bullies and the victims that are at fault here (I know we aren't allowed to blame parents...boo). Parenting is about imparting life skills on your kids, something in which they have clearly failed. Could the kid not talk to them? I dont know, anything here would be pure speculation but life can be far worse than bullying ffs.
What do you not understand about subjectivity? If you have been repeatedly bullied at a very sensitive time in your life, made all the worse because you're gay, then that is the worst thing that's happened to them and who are you to pass judgement on how much that affects them. Yes, there are worse things in the world, like child molestation, starvation etc but the kid I'm assuming had no idea about them kinds of things so clearly the bullying affected him in a big way.

The whole "kids are starving in Africa" shit is fucking pointless when you're talking with people with full stomaches and nice computers on a video game forum.
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Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

He was 15. Not 5. In less than 12 months hes finished school and can get a job and have his own kids. How emotionally underdeveloped do you think 15 year olds are?

It is the parents of the bullies and the victims that are at fault here (I know we aren't allowed to blame parents...boo). Parenting is about imparting life skills on your kids, something in which they have clearly failed. Could the kid not talk to them? I dont know, anything here would be pure speculation but life can be far worse than bullying ffs. As for the bullies parents theres clearly a failing to impart any sort of morality at all which isnt really acceptable but is becoming more common (?).

End of the day what are you going to do? Throw them in prison? How many people do you think will hire somebody convicted of "bullying"? Probably not many. How many instances of "bullying" do you think it will prevent? The appropriate consequences should have been expulsion a long time before it got this far, this is clearly a school / parent issue as it is not up to the government to expel people.
School ends at 17-18 here, not 16.
School ends around 17-18 in england and aussie too, but you have an option of not continuing on school after grade 10. In England they have something called 6th form after grade 10 which is grade 11/12
You forgot your "AFAIK" because you were just wrong again brah.
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jord wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Jay wrote:


School ends at 17-18 here, not 16.
School ends around 17-18 in england and aussie too, but you have an option of not continuing on school after grade 10. In England they have something called 6th form after grade 10 which is grade 11/12
You forgot your "AFAIK" because you were just wrong again brah.
thanks for bringing it up jord.
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

What I don't get is why none of these parents who's kids committed suicide, doesn't hunt those motherfuckers down. I'm not a father, but I'm pretty sure if I was being bullied to the point of committing suicide, my dad would make sure those kids would disappear of the face of the Earth.
I do wonder why there isn't more vigilantism and revenge murders in this country. The amount of times I have heard statements similar to yours is staggering. Maybe we don't hear about them or maybe people just like to talk shit.

Last edited by Macbeth (2011-09-30 09:45:29)

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Macbeth wrote:

people just like to talk shit.
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1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

My dad could beat up your dad.
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lowing wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

He was 15. Not 5. In less than 12 months hes finished school and can get a job and have his own kids. How emotionally underdeveloped do you think 15 year olds are?

It is the parents of the bullies and the victims that are at fault here (I know we aren't allowed to blame parents...boo). Parenting is about imparting life skills on your kids, something in which they have clearly failed. Could the kid not talk to them? I dont know, anything here would be pure speculation but life can be far worse than bullying ffs. As for the bullies parents theres clearly a failing to impart any sort of morality at all which isnt really acceptable but is becoming more common (?).

End of the day what are you going to do? Throw them in prison? How many people do you think will hire somebody convicted of "bullying"? Probably not many. How many instances of "bullying" do you think it will prevent? The appropriate consequences should have been expulsion a long time before it got this far, this is clearly a school / parent issue as it is not up to the government to expel people.
Life can be far worse than bullying you are correct. All the more reason that it does not give anyone the right to make sure your life is a miserable as they can possibly make it until worse does happen.

At the end of the day what can you do to the bullies? How about credits removed from their classes, so they must repeat required classes, how about lowering GPA's, just for being an asshole, how about detention on weekends and forced to sit through some sort of sensitivity training? I think you should still be able to blame the parents for chronic offenders as well, for them, you can fine them. There are things yo can do without turning bullies into criminals. The one thing that is not acceptable to me, is letting them get away with such behavior.
Welcome to the real world, full of unfairness. Nothing we can really do about it.
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Roc18 wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

My dad could beat up your dad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSPeZtEP … re=related
One of the best SP episodes.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

1stSFOD-Delta wrote:

My dad could beat up your dad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSPeZtEP … re=related
One of the best SP episodes.
I hated the guy recording this for uploading something recorded off a TV to youtube

Then I hated him even more with his "laugh" or w/e those explosions were

It wasn't even funny -.-
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But at least it's pirated, right?
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

But at least it's pirated, right?
You complain I say it, yet you keep throwing it into conversation...
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Getting a bit OT, I suppose. I don't care that you say it, it's just that you do it. Try and find some alternatives, at least. I'm sure that if you start talking about buying this and buying that as opposed to "borrowing," people will let up.

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Cheeky_Ninja06
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jord wrote:

Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:

He was 15. Not 5. In less than 12 months hes finished school and can get a job and have his own kids. How emotionally underdeveloped do you think 15 year olds are?

It is the parents of the bullies and the victims that are at fault here (I know we aren't allowed to blame parents...boo). Parenting is about imparting life skills on your kids, something in which they have clearly failed. Could the kid not talk to them? I dont know, anything here would be pure speculation but life can be far worse than bullying ffs.
What do you not understand about subjectivity? If you have been repeatedly bullied at a very sensitive time in your life, made all the worse because you're gay, then that is the worst thing that's happened to them and who are you to pass judgement on how much that affects them. Yes, there are worse things in the world, like child molestation, starvation etc but the kid I'm assuming had no idea about them kinds of things so clearly the bullying affected him in a big way.

The whole "kids are starving in Africa" shit is fucking pointless when you're talking with people with full stomaches and nice computers on a video game forum.
You missed the point.

Im not saying "hey its not so bad." Why does somebody in america have to reach the age of 20 before they can deal with nasty words as they are soo emotionally sensitive when kids in other parts of the world are doing things a million times worse day in and day out. i.e. emotional sensitivity is a load of shite and if its really that bad then it shows is that kids are too sheltered. If you are arguing that the easier you make life the smaller things people kill themselves over, then it doesnt sounds like a good reason to carry it on to me.

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2011-10-10 08:50:16)

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Why should anyone at any age have to "deal with nasty words"?

Typically the perpetrators represent a tiny minority of over-aggressive morons who were never really socialised, why should they be given a free run?

Also, is usmarine's permaban up yet?
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Cheeky_Ninja06
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Why should anyone at any age have to "deal with nasty words"?

Typically the perpetrators represent a tiny minority of over-aggressive morons who were never really socialised, why should they be given a free run?

Also, is usmarine's permaban up yet?
Because no matter how much cotton wool you wrap people up in they will still find something to kill themselves over if they are that way inclined. Once nobody says nasty words anymore then will that stop suicide? No. Instead we will have stories of people committing suicide over being looked at funny or not coming first or something else equally lame. What the kids need is perspective and the biggest thing they need is parenting which appears sorely lacking in the case in hand.
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Maybe I should go around pushig people over, stealing their wallets and rubbing their faces in dog poo.

If they can't appreciate that I'm in fact doing them a favour by helping them develop a thicker skin they need to man the fuck up or get out of town.
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Cheeky_Ninja06
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Maybe I should go around pushig people over, stealing their wallets and rubbing their faces in dog poo.

If they can't appreciate that I'm in fact doing them a favour by helping them develop a thicker skin they need to man the fuck up or get out of town.
Why not throw them in a ghetto while you are at it? Or you could rape and kill their whole family and everybody they've ever known. Or would that be taking things to extremes?

Alternatively maybe one of them will punch you back and tell you not to be a nob, or perhaps you'll be arrested, I wouldn't say either of those outcomes are the end of society.

Last edited by Cheeky_Ninja06 (2011-10-12 04:05:06)

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