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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i'm actually with lowing on this one

e: did you people even read the article? the kids were cheering over the other kid's death at a fucking dance. that sounds like the exact same behavior seen in Iraq when they killed and burned the bodies of those contractors. or when they beheaded Daniel Pearl. yes, these sociopaths sound like productive contributing members of society. fuck off.

The school should punish the shit out of those kids.

Cybargs wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i'm actually with lowing on this one

e: did you people even read the article? the kids were cheering over the other kid's death at a fucking dance. that sounds like the exact same behavior seen in Iraq when they killed and burned the bodies of those contractors. or when they beheaded Daniel Pearl. yes, these sociopaths sound like productive contributing members of society. fuck off.

The school should punish the shit out of those kids.

Unfortunately being a sociopath isn't something that's punishable by law.

Roc18 wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i'm actually with lowing on this one

e: did you people even read the article? the kids were cheering over the other kid's death at a fucking dance. that sounds like the exact same behavior seen in Iraq when they killed and burned the bodies of those contractors. or when they beheaded Daniel Pearl. yes, these sociopaths sound like productive contributing members of society. fuck off.

The school should punish the shit out of those kids.

Unfortunately being a sociopath isn't something that's punishable by law.

if I did that at my high school the best thing that could happen would be expulsion, the worst is they'd probably try and get you put in the mental health ward of a hospital for a week or two.

Jay wrote:

lowing wrote:

So you guys can not empathize or sympathize with this poor kid at all? You speak of "free speech", well free speech does not protect your right to inflict harm or pain on others on a personal level. This kid is not the governor of NY, he is not a politician or a public figure, he was a teenager trying to make it in this world being different from the norm. Hell, being normal as a teenager has its challenges, let alone being gay. Especially now in a world where your humiliation is longer confined to a classroom, it's posted for the whole world to see. and all you can say is basically tough shit?

I have been called everything from asshole to monster for my opinions in this forum, but some of you are some seriously heartless bastards. Wow.

Everyone gets bullied at some point in their life. It's humbling, and humiliating, and you learn from it. Frankly, it's the kids parents fault for subjecting him to the crap. If he was being bullied that badly, pull him out of school or move. You can't hold everyones hand through life in an effort to make their existence pain free and joyous at all occasions. It's not realistic, and it's ultimately not good for the person when they do get faced with adversity. Is bullying bad? Yes. But I certainly don't think we need to write new laws that will impact everyone just because of a few outlier cases. Kids commit suicide every day. It's stupid, and pointless, but no piece of legislation you could ever dream up would change that fact.

everyone does you are right, usually most kids can escape it. This kid obviously couldn't. I do not believe the solution should be for this family to uproot and move pull their kid out of school. and turn their lives upside down. Rather, hold the bullies accountable for their actions.

Macbeth wrote:

After awhile you have to man up.

How do you expect a kid to man up? Judging by his picture, he wasn't a man yet.

Superior Mind wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

After awhile you have to man up.

How do you expect a kid to man up? Judging by his picture, he wasn't a man yet.

Judging by the fact that he killed himself, you can safely assume that.

He didn't know how to handle the stress. It happens everyday unfortunately.

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

it's the typical "blame the victim" movement that's been around for some time now. people don't think criminals and bad people are, well, bad.

I would argue the "blame the victim" movement, as you so diplomatically put it, is a direct backlash to the absence of personal responsibility or accountability.

We cannot continue to coat people in ever increasing layers of bubble wrap and cotton wool, its not feasible, its not successful and ultimately it doesn't help anybody.

Is this the same Lowing that attacked the UK with derision for being a nanny state with the constant interfering in peoples lives? Yet now you want the government to censor Facebook so that only nice things can be said?

Do you think you can legislate against suicide? Do you think a potential suicide would stop and go oh no, I better not because if I do die I will have broken the law?

Bullying isn't new, its not 400,000 times worse because somebody posted on your facebook page (block, report, leave?) and its not about to dissapear from a heavy handed knee jerk governmental legislation. If you want to blame anybody for it happening then you should look to schools and parents (parents of both parties).

Blame the internet may be the easy answer but that doesn't mean its going to be successful, not by any means. If anything it could be argued that it makes it that much easier for insecure / unconfident kids to talk to other people about their lives and make friends (even if they are purely online).

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

He was 15 years old. Not everyone has the constitution of Jack Bauer at that age.

Fifteen.

You make him sound like a ten year old. Kids younger have to deal with worse outside of suburbia...

Punish them how and for what? Not being nice?

Not being nice is one thing, here's where you realise something is seriously wrong: "bullies were celebrating his death at a dance his sister attended".

lowing wrote:

So you guys can not empathize or sympathize with this poor kid at all? You speak of "free speech", well free speech does not protect your right to inflict harm or pain on others on a personal level. This kid is not the governor of NY, he is not a politician or a public figure, he was a teenager trying to make it in this world being different from the norm. Hell, being normal as a teenager has its challenges, let alone being gay. Especially now in a world where your humiliation is longer confined to a classroom, it's posted for the whole world to see. and all you can say is basically tough shit?

I have been called everything from asshole to monster for my opinions in this forum, but some of you are some seriously heartless bastards. Wow.

Make a memorial for the dead kid in front of the school.  Then have the names of the bullies and call them out for being the heartless bastards they are.  In public. 

Thats really all I can think of.

jord wrote:

I can see both sides.

We're all adults here and with a stronger constitution for it. It's easy to say "oh he shoulda just shrugged it off and blocked them" but he might have been a weak individual, he might have been pushed to the breaking point for years or both. Not much bothers you if you do actually have good things in your life and you can take negative comments with a pinch of salt, but not everyone's like that.

Obviously on the flipside you can't make everyone's life perfect all the time and eradicate mean comments. The kid obviously attracted attention with the gay thing and at high school the response isn't that hard to imagine. He can't be blamed for that because who's a socialite master at 15 and knows exactly what to say and not say every day of the year.


So I'll just be here, sitting on my fence... Again.

>implying there are any socialite masters period

Roc18 wrote:

jord wrote:

I can see both sides.

We're all adults here and with a stronger constitution for it. It's easy to say "oh he shoulda just shrugged it off and blocked them" but he might have been a weak individual, he might have been pushed to the breaking point for years or both. Not much bothers you if you do actually have good things in your life and you can take negative comments with a pinch of salt, but not everyone's like that.

Obviously on the flipside you can't make everyone's life perfect all the time and eradicate mean comments. The kid obviously attracted attention with the gay thing and at high school the response isn't that hard to imagine. He can't be blamed for that because who's a socialite master at 15 and knows exactly what to say and not say every day of the year.


So I'll just be here, sitting on my fence... Again.

>implying there are any socialite masters period

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