Jenspm
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Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.

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Jenspm
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Macbeth wrote:

Bible camps aren't run by political parties.
They aren't run by political parties in the same way many people think. They often go out and criticize 'their' party, and are important in the political debate, especially in questions involving youth (e.g. education).

It's an easy way for the youth to engage in politics, it's not a brainwashing camp à la Hitler Youth.
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lowing
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FatherTed wrote:

yep yep already said i was derping
and what does that mean? Try speaking like an adult and not some 12 year old "gamer".   Or is it one of those things where you don't have a good answer so you dismiss the whole thing?

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Jenspm wrote:

Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.
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lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

yep yep already said i was derping
and what does that mean? Try speaking like an adult and not some 12 year old "gamer".   Or is it one of those things where you don't have a good answer so you dismiss the whole thing?
it means i was wrong? and im not exactly the 12yr old gamer stereotype
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Macbeth wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.
ok so tell us?
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Multiculturalism is a body of thought in political philosophy about the proper way to respond to cultural and religious diversity. Mere toleration of group differences is said to fall short of treating members of minority groups as equal citizens; recognition and positive accommodation of group differences are required through “group-differentiated rights,” a term coined by Will Kymlicka (1995). Some group-differentiated rights are held by individual members of minority groups, as in the case of individuals who are granted exemptions from generally applicable laws in virtue of their religious beliefs or individuals who seek language accommodations in schools or in voting. Other group-differentiated rights are held by the group qua group rather by its members severally; such rights are properly called group rights, as in the case of indigenous groups and minority nations, who claim the right of self-determination. In the latter respect, multiculturalism is closely allied with nationalism.
From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
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ok and taking that definition, how has multiculturism failed in europe?
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Jenspm
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Macbeth wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.
Basically integrating several cultures and making them a part of society, no? As opposed to forcing them to 'turn Norwegian'?
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lowing
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FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

yep yep already said i was derping
and what does that mean? Try speaking like an adult and not some 12 year old "gamer".   Or is it one of those things where you don't have a good answer so you dismiss the whole thing?
it means i was wrong? and im not exactly the 12yr old gamer stereotype
got it, sorry, I don't know what "derp" is all about.
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no worries
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Jenspm wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Norway would be shit without multiculturalism. Same goes for most places.
I have a feeling you don't understand the academic definition of multiculturalism.
Basically integrating several cultures and making them a part of society, no? As opposed to forcing them to 'turn Norwegian'?
Look 2 post up.
Jenspm
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Macbeth wrote:

Multiculturalism is a body of thought in political philosophy about the proper way to respond to cultural and religious diversity. Mere toleration of group differences is said to fall short of treating members of minority groups as equal citizens; recognition and positive accommodation of group differences are required through “group-differentiated rights,” a term coined by Will Kymlicka (1995). Some group-differentiated rights are held by individual members of minority groups, as in the case of individuals who are granted exemptions from generally applicable laws in virtue of their religious beliefs or individuals who seek language accommodations in schools or in voting. Other group-differentiated rights are held by the group qua group rather by its members severally; such rights are properly called group rights, as in the case of indigenous groups and minority nations, who claim the right of self-determination. In the latter respect, multiculturalism is closely allied with nationalism.
From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
So when you say it's 'failed in Europe', do you mean we a) have failed to give them sufficient rights or b) have given them rights, but it's not worked out or c) none of the above?

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FatherTed wrote:

ok and taking that definition, how has multiculturism failed in europe?
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Jenspm wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Multiculturalism is a body of thought in political philosophy about the proper way to respond to cultural and religious diversity. Mere toleration of group differences is said to fall short of treating members of minority groups as equal citizens; recognition and positive accommodation of group differences are required through “group-differentiated rights,” a term coined by Will Kymlicka (1995). Some group-differentiated rights are held by individual members of minority groups, as in the case of individuals who are granted exemptions from generally applicable laws in virtue of their religious beliefs or individuals who seek language accommodations in schools or in voting. Other group-differentiated rights are held by the group qua group rather by its members severally; such rights are properly called group rights, as in the case of indigenous groups and minority nations, who claim the right of self-determination. In the latter respect, multiculturalism is closely allied with nationalism.
From the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
So when you say it's 'failed in Europe', do you mean we a) have failed to give them sufficient rights or b) have given them rights, but it's not worked out or c) none of the above?
B.

I understand France is going in the opposite direction now. That makes me happy yet I am sad they are doing it for the wrong reasons.
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I am really opposed to the concept of multiculturalism by the way.
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I've heard they want to get him for atrocities against humanity, because that has a 30year sentence
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presidentsheep wrote:

If this guy gets off without a sentence then I will personally write a letter of apology to lowing for any time I have disagreed with him and claim a pro-guns, anti-government right wing Christian viewpoint for the duration of my posting on this forum.

e: excluding if he is found too mental to be sentenced. I doubt this highly.
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nice save, sheep.

Oh and by the way, to all those that insist it was a right wing christian conspiracy...he acted alone. Uzi, you catchin' that?
lowing
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menzo wrote:

I've heard they want to get him for atrocities against humanity, because that has a 30year sentence
I hope so, since they can't punish for murder in Norway it would appear.
Jenspm
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menzo wrote:

I've heard they want to get him for atrocities against humanity, because that has a 30year sentence
Nope, that sentence will be put in place 1/1/2012, so he can't be punished under it.
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lowing wrote:

Oh and by the way, to all those that insist it was a right wing christian conspiracy...he acted alone. Uzi, you catchin' that?

Jaekus wrote:

I didn't act alone, Norway attacker tells court

The man who has claimed responsibility for the deadly terrorist attacks in Norway last week has told a judge he was working with two other cells of right-wing extremists.

Anders Behring Breivik, 32, admitted the facts of the case, but "he has not pleaded guilty", judge Kim Heger said after the closed-door hearing.

"It appears in the suspect's police explanations and in today's court appearance, he has made statements that require additional investigation - including a statement about 'two further cells in our organisation'," the judge added.

Breivik was remanded in custody for eight weeks, the first four of which will be in isolation.

Breivik told the judge he had carried out the bombing in Oslo and the mass shooting on a nearby island to send the Labour government a message.

He told the court he needed to carry out the attack to save Norway and western Europe from, among other things, "cultural Marxism" and a Muslim takeover.

Police revised the death toll from the attacks down on Monday, saying 68 people were now known to have been killed in the shootings at a summer camp on Utoya island, lowering an earlier toll of 86.

Eight died in the car bombing in downtown Oslo, an increase of one - but others are still missing, and police said the toll may again rise.

Up until the hearing, Breivik said he had worked alone, but he told police and the court he had two more groups of collaborators still at large.

"It appears in the suspect's police explanations and in today's court appearance, he has made statements that require additional investigation - including a statement about 'two further cells in our organisation'," the judge said.

Those claims are now being investigated.
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^ In all probability its just his WoW clan.

Seen also that he was on a terror watch list since march.
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Jenspm
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Dilbert_X wrote:

^ In all probability its just his WoW clan.

Seen also that he was on a terror watch list since march.
Also blown out of proportion by the media. He was on a standard list in the midst of a vast overflow of information, for spending £12 at a store in Poland that Norway were investigating. Other than that, the police have no records of him.

Hardly a "terror watch list"


That is, unless we're talking about two different things.
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Sounds like the same thing, media feeding off media again.
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Jenspm wrote:

menzo wrote:

I've heard they want to get him for atrocities against humanity, because that has a 30year sentence
Nope, that sentence will be put in place 1/1/2012, so he can't be punished under it.
i dont think he is convicted before that, so why cant they?
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