It would be drastic. Perception is reality, and consumer confidence is a delicate flower.
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my default position is not that government is good or benevolent. the alternative just happens to be worse.Jay wrote:
No, it's not. Why is your default position that government is good and benevolent and necessary for a nation to function? Are you that rudderless that you feel you need leadership from above telling you how to live your life? Pretty sad.Reciprocity wrote:
they'll never academically understand, they should see and feel what happens. their concept of libertarianism and "small government" is a first world luxury.
^ Is as lame as lowing's 'Democrats hate freedom' rants.Jay wrote:
Because he wants fiscal sanity and a government that doesn't monkey with the economy? Ok.eleven bravo wrote:
i blame ron paul for all this shit
Chances are Ron Paul would be like everyone else, spouting whatever to gain power then cutting taxes and increasing spending like everyone else.
Boehner is looking like a colossal boner right now, walking away from debate.
Fuck Israel
Actually, I would say Ron Paul is one of the few who don't always do whatever is politically expedient.
...opposing giving Rosa Parks a medal because tax money shouldn't go to giving awards was an interesting example.
...opposing giving Rosa Parks a medal because tax money shouldn't go to giving awards was an interesting example.
That's why he is a bad campaigner. He should learn to pick his battles. Even if they are just a matter of principle.RAIMIUS wrote:
Actually, I would say Ron Paul is one of the few who don't always do whatever is politically expedient.
...opposing giving Rosa Parks a medal because tax money shouldn't go to giving awards was an interesting example.
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So keep the debt ceiling and we default.
Raise it and we'll just spend more putting us right back at the start, creating a never-ending cycle?
Raise it and we'll just spend more putting us right back at the start, creating a never-ending cycle?
That's why spending cuts and entitlement reform have to be part of the discussion...or you wind up right back here in a few years, if that.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So keep the debt ceiling and we default.
Raise it and we'll just spend more putting us right back at the start, creating a never-ending cycle?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
We end up back here in a few years anyways. We're gonna start spending like crazy within a couple years anyways. We have a short memory.FEOS wrote:
That's why spending cuts and entitlement reform have to be part of the discussion...or you wind up right back here in a few years, if that.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So keep the debt ceiling and we default.
Raise it and we'll just spend more putting us right back at the start, creating a never-ending cycle?
Well I didn't watch the addresses but according to the Twitterverse both sides basically said the other sucked.
This is all too true.Commie Killer wrote:
We end up back here in a few years anyways. We're gonna start spending like crazy within a couple years anyways. We have a short memory.FEOS wrote:
That's why spending cuts and entitlement reform have to be part of the discussion...or you wind up right back here in a few years, if that.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So keep the debt ceiling and we default.
Raise it and we'll just spend more putting us right back at the start, creating a never-ending cycle?
Somewhat blows away the idea that its the Dems fault particularly.
Bush Jr had a free hand, what's his excuse?
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This isn't a dictatorship, Dilbert. Congress passes the law that raises the debt ceiling, then the President signs it.
Seriously...how many times do we have to tell you how things work here?
Seriously...how many times do we have to tell you how things work here?
That's the purpose of implementing spending cuts, as well as the intent of putting in a cap based on a percentage of GDP, and introducing a balanced budget amendment. Haven't seen much discussion on the pros/cons of the cut/cap/balance plan, though. Most arguments against the balanced budget amendment are that you have to leave enough of an opening for Congress to do its job that it makes it essentially meaningless. Don't see any issue with capping our budget based on a percentage of GDP, though, then requiring a supermajority to exceed that.Commie Killer wrote:
We end up back here in a few years anyways. We're gonna start spending like crazy within a couple years anyways. We have a short memory.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
if i'm not mistaken, Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling when he was a senator
my how attitudes change
my how attitudes change
So if its a Republican congress signing off for a Republican President how is that the Dems fault?FEOS wrote:
This isn't a dictatorship, Dilbert. Congress passes the law that raises the debt ceiling, then the President signs it.
Seriously...how many times do we have to tell you how things work here?
Just wondering.
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That's for a minority of the period shown. And where exactly did I lay all blame at the Dems' feet?Dilbert_X wrote:
So if its a Republican congress signing off for a Republican President how is that the Dems fault?FEOS wrote:
This isn't a dictatorship, Dilbert. Congress passes the law that raises the debt ceiling, then the President signs it.
Seriously...how many times do we have to tell you how things work here?
Just wondering.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
its crazy how everything in life ends up turning into a bell curve
Tu Stultus Es
I'm sure we will find ways to circumvent any of those speed traps. All good ideas, they just forget we're humans.FEOS wrote:
That's the purpose of implementing spending cuts, as well as the intent of putting in a cap based on a percentage of GDP, and introducing a balanced budget amendment. Haven't seen much discussion on the pros/cons of the cut/cap/balance plan, though. Most arguments against the balanced budget amendment are that you have to leave enough of an opening for Congress to do its job that it makes it essentially meaningless. Don't see any issue with capping our budget based on a percentage of GDP, though, then requiring a supermajority to exceed that.Commie Killer wrote:
We end up back here in a few years anyways. We're gonna start spending like crazy within a couple years anyways. We have a short memory.
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eleven bravo wrote:
its crazy how everything in life ends up turning into a bell cosine curve
Last edited by Jay (2011-07-27 15:47:48)
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't see that curve going down.
Fuck Israel
After seeing those idiots with their 'hold the line' signs on TV, somewhere deep down I'm hoping the US defaults so they lose their jobs and houses. Let's see if they still think it's a good idea after it actually happens.
Ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Nothing sinks in with stupid people, least of all their own culpability - they'll still blame the Democrats.
Fuck Israel
Central limit theorem says exactly that - in the words of my freshman physics lecturer, "if you put enough shit on a graph, you get a Gaussian!" (ie. a Bell curve)eleven bravo wrote:
its crazy how everything in life ends up turning into a bell curve
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
They wouldn't lose either.Shocking wrote:
After seeing those idiots with their 'hold the line' signs on TV, somewhere deep down I'm hoping the US defaults so they lose their jobs and houses. Let's see if they still think it's a good idea after it actually happens.
Ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Robert Scoble wrote:
This picture says it all about what's wrong with our culture, our country, our conversations. We have painted ourselves into a corner and no one is willing to give. These two guys are playing a dangerous game of chicken with our economy.
Will one of them blink? If so, when?
It's time for one of them to. And, no, I won't tell you which one it should be because that would be adding to the problem.
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Every industry will be hit because it would be a global catastrophe and the international markets would lose their trust in the dollar and the US. Chances are, a lot of people would lose their jobs.Jay wrote:
They wouldn't lose either.Shocking wrote:
After seeing those idiots with their 'hold the line' signs on TV, somewhere deep down I'm hoping the US defaults so they lose their jobs and houses. Let's see if they still think it's a good idea after it actually happens.
Ignorant people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
inane little opines