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2011-07-06 16:59:15
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5616|London, England
The DFAC over on Camp Victory was pimp. All the coalition brass ate there so they had shit like deviled eggs and lobster and steak. All we got at ours was fried chicken, pizza, and corn dogs.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-07-06 17:04:04
eleven bravo
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some of the best meals ive had were during the few months i was in a fob without a difac.  it was either t-rats, mre's or haji food.

Last edited by eleven bravo (2011-07-06 17:04:20)

Tu Stultus Es
2011-07-06 17:05:57
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5616|London, England
You ever eat those nasty ass breakfast MRE's? They 'found' some for us when we were on an exercise in Egypt and some nasty girl unit stole our plane home.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-07-06 17:33:33
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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so where was the "yeah I guess he's right" whenever Bush said we had to stay the course?
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2011-07-06 17:35:26
Jay
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+2,006|5616|London, England

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

so where was the "yeah I guess he's right" whenever Bush said we had to stay the course?
I was completely against the invasion, but once the cat is out of the bag, you have to do the job right or you risk causing an even bigger mess. The people who want all the troops home now, today, this minute, are unrealistic and terrifyingly naive.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-07-06 20:20:33
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6933|Canberra, AUS

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

so where was the "yeah I guess he's right" whenever Bush said we had to stay the course?
I was completely against the invasion, but once the cat is out of the bag, you have to do the job right or you risk causing an even bigger mess. The people who want all the troops home now, today, this minute, are unrealistic and terrifyingly naive.
Yeah I agree with this
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2011-07-06 20:25:06
FatherTed
xD
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i have a better kd ratio then anyone in this thread on bc2, so i'm well qualified to say you're all pogs and stuff OK
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Use an umbrella
2011-07-07 02:56:10
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Jay wrote:

I am. I just would rather not see my own hard work and effort go to waste by watching the country devolve into civil war because we pulled out too soon. That's all.
You could stay there for a century and that would still happen.
Fuck Israel
2011-07-07 03:07:32
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6669|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

I am. I just would rather not see my own hard work and effort go to waste by watching the country devolve into civil war because we pulled out too soon. That's all.
You could stay there for a century and that would still happen.
Nah. General estimates are that it takes about a generation.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-07-07 05:56:38
Dilbert_X
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How long has the Balkans been going?
Africa is still feeling the echoes of colonialism, Iraq and Afghanistan will be going for a good while yet.
Fuck Israel
2011-07-07 19:18:35
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6669|'Murka

It takes focused investment and attention from developed nations to nurture the free markets and democratic reforms. That shit doesn't just sprout where it's planted. The Balkans are actually doing pretty well. Africa is a victim of "sprinkle some democracy over there" approaches to foreign assistance.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-07-08 02:51:41
Dilbert_X
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So a brief blitzkrieg followed by installing a puppet doesn't work?
There goes that.
Fuck Israel
2011-07-08 03:37:19
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Dilbert_X wrote:

So a brief blitzkrieg followed by installing a puppet doesn't work?
There goes that.
Not sure how a government freely elected by the population of a country is a "puppet"...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-07-08 03:55:47
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6257|...
Think it's gonna take a little longer than 1 generation tbh. Splitting up the country might've been a faster solution, the 'democracy' as it is now feels pointless if the most important factor for a leading figure in people's minds is heritage.
inane little opines
2011-07-08 04:12:10
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6669|'Murka

So long as the government is representative and provides a voice for all factions, democracy will work. The economy must also flourish, so that the government can provide necessary services for the people, as well. The two go hand in hand.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-07-08 04:19:42
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6257|...
Let's just hope so. I always figured that the most important prerequisite to a functional democracy was an educated populace. In Iraq that is less of an issue than in Afghanistan... that's a country full of goat herders. If the people aren't critical of their government corruption will spread easily, just look at Karzai.

In Iraq's case I can see it going in the direction of Belgium if one population gets fed up having to work with the other.

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inane little opines
2011-07-08 04:28:25
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6669|'Murka

Shocking wrote:

Let's just hope so. I always figured that the most important prerequisite to a functional democracy was an educated populace. In Iraq that is less of an issue than in Afghanistan... that's a country full of goat herders. If the people aren't critical of their government corruption will spread easily, just look at Karzai.

In Iraq's case I can see it going in the direction of Belgium if one population gets fed up having to work with the other.
An educated, prosperous middle class is also very important to a successful democracy...but you must have the economy to support that.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-07-08 04:33:51
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6257|...
Hence wouldn't it have been a better idea to take control of the country first so as to get that economy going and hand control over to the Iraqis once their country is stable? We've already got problems with too many idiots being in parliament here, I can't imagine what it's like there.
inane little opines
2011-07-08 04:55:46
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5616|London, England

Shocking wrote:

Let's just hope so. I always figured that the most important prerequisite to a functional democracy was an educated populace. In Iraq that is less of an issue than in Afghanistan... that's a country full of goat herders. If the people aren't critical of their government corruption will spread easily, just look at Karzai.

In Iraq's case I can see it going in the direction of Belgium if one population gets fed up having to work with the other.
Uneducated != unintelligent. People got along just fine prior to 100% literacy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2011-07-08 05:55:51
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So a brief blitzkrieg followed by installing a puppet doesn't work?
There goes that.
Not sure how a government freely elected by the population of a country is a "puppet"...
They tried to stick Chalabi in first IIRC.
Fuck Israel
2011-07-08 18:18:20
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6669|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So a brief blitzkrieg followed by installing a puppet doesn't work?
There goes that.
Not sure how a government freely elected by the population of a country is a "puppet"...
They tried to stick Chalabi in first IIRC.
What does the word "interim" mean to you?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-07-08 22:43:24
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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Jay wrote:

Shocking wrote:

Let's just hope so. I always figured that the most important prerequisite to a functional democracy was an educated populace. In Iraq that is less of an issue than in Afghanistan... that's a country full of goat herders. If the people aren't critical of their government corruption will spread easily, just look at Karzai.

In Iraq's case I can see it going in the direction of Belgium if one population gets fed up having to work with the other.
Uneducated != unintelligent. People got along just fine prior to 100% literacy.
Whilst true, you need educated people to be your doctors, engineers, lawyers etc. which are kind of important in an indirect way.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2011-07-09 20:46:31
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Not sure how a government freely elected by the population of a country is a "puppet"...
They tried to stick Chalabi in first IIRC.
What does the word "interim" mean to you?
Interim my arse.
Fuck Israel
2011-07-10 11:59:31
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6669|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:


They tried to stick Chalabi in first IIRC.
What does the word "interim" mean to you?
Interim my arse.
So you don't know what the word means?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2011-07-11 03:19:07
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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You mean 'interim' as in Karzai?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … laims.html

How many more 'elections' will he hold before just not bothering?
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