Jay
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menzo wrote:

i dont say the govt should forbid ppl to smoke. i only say i think it is a waste of money
I think spending money on video games is a waste of money. Who cares?
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presidentsheep wrote:

Putting tobacco in plain packets does nothing to stop people buying it. Same when they stopped them from advertising, it just saved them money they were wasting.
isnt the reason they want to do that is not to stop smoking form smoking, but to make it look less appealing to ppl that are starting with it (kids)
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Cybargs wrote:

menzo wrote:

and there is the lung cancer thing, witch costs the govt lots of money there for higher taxes
in america they have private health care which is a moot point.
No it's not. Sick people are a cost on society, healthy people bring income through taxes. This applies to the US as well.

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menzo wrote:

but i think the increase of the risk of getting hart disease and diabetes by fast food is quite a bit less than the increase in the chance of lung cancer.  you cant label everything.
That's just double standards tbh, he has a point.
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menzo wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

Putting tobacco in plain packets does nothing to stop people buying it. Same when they stopped them from advertising, it just saved them money they were wasting.
isnt the reason they want to do that is not to stop smoking form smoking, but to make it look less appealing to ppl that are starting with it (kids)
Yeah, I heard that was the reason, also remember reading somewhere (possibly new scientist?) that it made absolutely no difference at all.
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Jay
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Jenspm wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

menzo wrote:

and there is the lung cancer thing, witch costs the govt lots of money there for higher taxes
in america they have private health care which is a moot point.
No it's not. Sick people are a cost on society, healthy people bring income through taxes. This applies to the US as well.
are you paying their insurance bills? No? Then kindly mind your own business. I'm sure there is shit that you do that is a drain on society. Again, mind your own business.
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Shocking wrote:

menzo wrote:

but i think the increase of the risk of getting hart disease and diabetes by fast food is quite a bit less than the increase in the chance of lung cancer.  you cant label everything.
That's just double standards tbh, he has a point.
than we should label cola, chocolate, potatoes everything. everything is bad for you, we have to draw a line somewhere.
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kill the sick

menzo considering the amount of overweight people in the US (64% of the population) or those with diabetes (8.3%) I think those foods have pretty significant effects

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take the warning labels off everything let darwin sort em out.
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Jay
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menzo wrote:

Shocking wrote:

menzo wrote:

but i think the increase of the risk of getting hart disease and diabetes by fast food is quite a bit less than the increase in the chance of lung cancer.  you cant label everything.
That's just double standards tbh, he has a point.
than we should label cola, chocolate, potatoes everything. everything is bad for you, we have to draw a line somewhere.
How about making the assumption that people are smart enough to make their own decisions? There's your line. I don't need asshats trying to micromanage my life for me.
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

kill the sick

menzo considering the amount of overweight people in the US (64% of the population) or those with diabetes (8.3%) I think those foods have pretty significant effects
ok there you may have a point, but the problem is not all the overweight ppl are overweight by MacDonald and fast food. You can also get overwiert by eating to way to much normal food. Should you label al food with. to much eating causes overweight and diabetes?
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Jay wrote:

menzo wrote:

Shocking wrote:


That's just double standards tbh, he has a point.
than we should label cola, chocolate, potatoes everything. everything is bad for you, we have to draw a line somewhere.
How about making the assumption that people are smart enough to make their own decisions? There's your line. I don't need asshats trying to micromanage my life for me.
how is the govt making the decisions for you. they are only informing you of the risk. Are you also against  R/S sentences on chemicals? because we are smart enough to know that pyridine makes you sterile etc. some ppl need to be reminded when they buy it. but they can still buy it.
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Jenspm
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Jay wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


in america they have private health care which is a moot point.
No it's not. Sick people are a cost on society, healthy people bring income through taxes. This applies to the US as well.
are you paying their insurance bills? No? Then kindly mind your own business. I'm sure there is shit that you do that is a drain on society. Again, mind your own business.
I'm just pointing out that private healthcare doesn't make it a moot point. I still think it's one of the weakest of all anti-smoke arguments..

There are several reasons why the cigarette/tobaco industry are as heavily targeted as they are. a) they are extremely addictive. I know you argue that it's your own choice, but it's mainly to avoid new smokers, isn't it? Especially children, who don't have this great ability to make their own decisions like we do. b) it harms people around you, and c) because the tobaco industry has been a dirty industry for a long time and we hate them. Because they're dicks.
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What's more is that it's also possible to eat fatty/sugary foods in moderation, while cigarettes get you addicted. Also the negative impacts of fatty/sugary foods can be greatly decreased by having an otherwise healthy lifestyle with the proper amounts of sleep and exercise. The only way to negate the effects of smoking is to quit for long enough that your body can recover.

Also there are risks involved with second-hand smoke, and everyone fails to mention how much litter cigarette butts cause.
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Jay wrote:

menzo wrote:

i dont say the govt should forbid ppl to smoke. i only say i think it is a waste of money
I think spending money on video games is a waste of money. Who cares?
I only care because they smell like shit, and by extension make me smell like shit when I'm in their vicinity.
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about labels of food, here healthy foods have a special label showing that they are the healthy choice. Is the common in other countries and are you anti labelling people also against that?
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certain healthy foods require a label because you cant see it on that product (like the difference between a banana grown without pesticides and one that been grown with it)
Cigarettes dont need that as everyone know what they are and what the risks are.
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Kampframmer wrote:

certain healthy foods require a label because you cant see it on that product (like the difference between a banana grown without pesticides and one that been grown with it)
Cigarettes dont need that as everyone know what they are and what the risks are.
you have that green healthy choice label, that is only on goods that have low fat etc. https://img857.imageshack.us/img857/7281/000704738001logklavertj.gif
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Kampframmer
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menzo wrote:

Kampframmer wrote:

certain healthy foods require a label because you cant see it on that product (like the difference between a banana grown without pesticides and one that been grown with it)
Cigarettes dont need that as everyone know what they are and what the risks are.
you have that green healthy choice label, that is only on goods that have low fat etc. http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/7281 … avertj.gif
yes
Because you dont know when you see 2 cups of butter which one has good fats and which one doesnt.
Cigarettes are all basically the same, so why label them to distinct them from other product that are equally or more dangerous??

As far as food labeling ges, its now mandatory here (also in other countries i believe) to put the accurate nutritional values and ingredients on food products. I
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Jay wrote:

menzo wrote:

Shocking wrote:


That's just double standards tbh, he has a point.
than we should label cola, chocolate, potatoes everything. everything is bad for you, we have to draw a line somewhere.
How about making the assumption that people are smart enough to make their own decisions? There's your line. I don't need asshats trying to micromanage my life for me.
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I will give this thread 3 more pages until it's a discussion about firearms ownership. Another two after that until it's about obama.
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Jay
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Ultimately there is no difference between outright telling people what they can and cant do, and making the decision so uncomfortable that little choice remains.
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