Much much much more concerned about a nuclear Pakistan than a nuclear Iran tbh.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Poll
Does a Nuclear (Weaponized) Iran worry you?
| Yes | 33% | 33% - 11 | ||||
| No | 60% | 60% - 20 | ||||
| Maybe (Explain) | 6% | 6% - 2 | ||||
| Total: 33 | ||||||
Correct me if I am wrong but im pretty sure the Russians already did sell it to Pakistan and IranDilbert_X wrote:
I doubt it, the Chinese and Russians could sell it for half the price.
the point is: the less there are nations capable of manufacturing nuclear weapons the less are the chances of those weapons being used. that's it. the rest of "our kung-fu is better than their kung-fu" is a load of crap.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
So the argument is that any country developing nuclear capability can be no worse than those that have it at the moment? Yet it would be insane to help them along the way.Shahter wrote:
the same reason nobody else would - you aren't insane.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
Um okay then. In that case why dont we just sell nuclear tech to Iran and the rest of the world? We could make an absolute fortune.
based on a "widely known" fact that iran "supports terrorists". yeah, i get it.I'm sticking to my view that I would rather Iran did not have nuclear capability. On my list of "Countries I would trust with Nuclear capability" Iran would certainly be on the lower half.
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AgreedShahter wrote:
the point is: the less there are nations capable of manufacturing nuclear weapons the less are the chances of those weapons being used. that's it. the rest of "our kung-fu if better than their kung-fu" if a load of crap.Cheeky_Ninja06 wrote:
So the argument is that any country developing nuclear capability can be no worse than those that have it at the moment? Yet it would be insane to help them along the way.Shahter wrote:
the same reason nobody else would - you aren't insane.based on a "widely known" fact that iran "supports terrorists". yeah, i get it.I'm sticking to my view that I would rather Iran did not have nuclear capability. On my list of "Countries I would trust with Nuclear capability" Iran would certainly be on the lower half.
^ Yup.Shahter wrote:
the point is: the less there are nations capable of manufacturing nuclear weapons the less are the chances of those weapons being used. that's it. the rest of "our kung-fu if better than their kung-fu" if a load of crap.
And as Ty said earlier in the thread; any country that aspires to attain nuclear weapons is a bit worrisome.
Agreed, them and NK.Spark wrote:
Much much much more concerned about a nuclear Pakistan than a nuclear Iran tbh.
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So any bothers you (of course). That goes without saying I think.Shocking wrote:
^ Yup.Shahter wrote:
the point is: the less there are nations capable of manufacturing nuclear weapons the less are the chances of those weapons being used. that's it. the rest of "our kung-fu if better than their kung-fu" if a load of crap.
And as Ty said earlier in the thread; any country that aspires to attain nuclear weapons is a bit worrisome.Agreed, them and NK.Spark wrote:
Much much much more concerned about a nuclear Pakistan than a nuclear Iran tbh.
But some bother you more than others? I'd like to explore this... not that I necessarily disagree.
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it's pretty simple Kmar, do you trust a stable government keeping nukes more than a third world government that has a new coup every few years?
e: Solid example being the collapse of the USSR and the nukes unaccounted for.
e: Solid example being the collapse of the USSR and the nukes unaccounted for.
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That's because of internal stability of the country more than anything. NK and Pakistan are lead by very unstable (and untrustworthy) regimes.Kmar wrote:
So any bothers you (of course). That goes without saying I think.
But some bother you more than others? I'd like to explore this... not that I necessarily disagree.
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yes. states disregarding conventions that have been signed is never good.
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it's kinda hard to build up stability while being purposefully destabilized by certain "enlightened" someone who disagrees with the way you chose to stabilize yourself, don't you think so? also, trust doesn't usually built up well while one patry has their dick up the ass of another. you people should really stop blaming the mirror and start taking care of your own ugly face.Shocking wrote:
That's because of internal stability of the country more than anything. NK and Pakistan are lead by very unstable (and untrustworthy) regimes.Kmar wrote:
So any bothers you (of course). That goes without saying I think.
But some bother you more than others? I'd like to explore this... not that I necessarily disagree.
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if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
In some ways I view it as a positive, and in other ways I view it as terrifying.
The positive is that it stabilizes the world to some degree. Iran, if nuclear, would never have to worry about being invaded ever again. Taking it to the extreme, if everyone had nuclear weapons the world would overnight become a pretty fucking stable place. No more wars because the consequences are too great.
The terrifying part is if a nation falls into the hands of a fundamentalist madman who believes fervently that there is an afterlife and doesn't much care about what happens to this world. Or, a sadistic misanthrope with a fully decked out fallout shelter who just wants to watch the world burn a la Nero.
Nukes are scary, and I don't know if the MAD inspired stability is worth the abject terror the world would rightfully experience every time there was a revolution. In the end, I had to vote yes. As much as I despise the imperialistic meddling that my country has taken it upon itself to perform, I can't stomach nukes in the hands of the Ayatollah.
The positive is that it stabilizes the world to some degree. Iran, if nuclear, would never have to worry about being invaded ever again. Taking it to the extreme, if everyone had nuclear weapons the world would overnight become a pretty fucking stable place. No more wars because the consequences are too great.
The terrifying part is if a nation falls into the hands of a fundamentalist madman who believes fervently that there is an afterlife and doesn't much care about what happens to this world. Or, a sadistic misanthrope with a fully decked out fallout shelter who just wants to watch the world burn a la Nero.
Nukes are scary, and I don't know if the MAD inspired stability is worth the abject terror the world would rightfully experience every time there was a revolution. In the end, I had to vote yes. As much as I despise the imperialistic meddling that my country has taken it upon itself to perform, I can't stomach nukes in the hands of the Ayatollah.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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-Frederick Bastiat
good thing we're not in the habit of taking advice from nations that have collapsed within the last 20 yearsShahter wrote:
it's kinda hard to build up stability while being purposefully destabilized be certain "enlightened" someone who disagrees with the way you chose to stabilize yourself, don't you think so? also, trust doesn't usually built up well while one patry has their dick up the ass of another. you people should really stop blaming the mirror and start taking care of your own ugly face.Shocking wrote:
That's because of internal stability of the country more than anything. NK and Pakistan are lead by very unstable (and untrustworthy) regimes.Kmar wrote:
So any bothers you (of course). That goes without saying I think.
But some bother you more than others? I'd like to explore this... not that I necessarily disagree.
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NK regime is stable... it ain't going anywhere in a hurry.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
its as stable as the line of succession
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It doesn't just happen 'because they're different'. If both countries would just go about minding their own business then I don't think anyone would have a problem with either of them.Shahter wrote:
it's kinda hard to build up stability while being purposefully destabilized be certain "enlightened" someone who disagrees with the way you chose to stabilize yourself, don't you think so? also, trust doesn't usually built up well while one patry has their dick up the ass of another. you people should really stop blaming the mirror and start taking care of your own ugly face.Shocking wrote:
That's because of internal stability of the country more than anything. NK and Pakistan are lead by very unstable (and untrustworthy) regimes.Kmar wrote:
So any bothers you (of course). That goes without saying I think.
But some bother you more than others? I'd like to explore this... not that I necessarily disagree.
sans NK though because although they're sort of 'minding their own business' kim jong is completely insane, more so than anyone else on the planet.
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start by minding your own business yourself, why don't you. as it stands you aren't in any position to be pointing a finger.Shocking wrote:
It doesn't just happen 'because they're different'. If both countries would just go about minding their own business then I don't think anyone would have a problem with either of them.Shahter wrote:
it's kinda hard to build up stability while being purposefully destabilized be certain "enlightened" someone who disagrees with the way you chose to stabilize yourself, don't you think so? also, trust doesn't usually built up well while one patry has their dick up the ass of another. you people should really stop blaming the mirror and start taking care of your own ugly face.Shocking wrote:
That's because of internal stability of the country more than anything. NK and Pakistan are lead by very unstable (and untrustworthy) regimes.
yeah, that kinda true. i still suspect he's a masterfull troll though .sans NK though because although they're sort of 'minding their own business' kim jong is completely insane, more so than anyone else on the planet.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
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...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
a guy keeping half a million of his population in concentration camps sure sounds like a "troll" to me.
i think that's something only a ruskie would say and keep a straight face...
i think that's something only a ruskie would say and keep a straight face...
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you know that how? times? or bbc?Uzique wrote:
a guy keeping half a million of his population in concentration camps sure sounds like a "troll" to me.
i think that's something only a ruskie would say and keep a straight face...
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
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by the same argument prove that NK is a normal, tolerant society zzzzzzzzShahter wrote:
you know that how? times? or bbc?Uzique wrote:
a guy keeping half a million of his population in concentration camps sure sounds like a "troll" to me.
i think that's something only a ruskie would say and keep a straight face...
you're just being irritating here, you (and the rest of the world) know how truly batshit insane NK is
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they counted how many people are being held prisoner there from... sattelite?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
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