It is also legal for woman to be topless at my place too.
and encouraged.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Why do you dress like a slut? Because you want guys to notice you.
Why do rapists rape? Because they have little brain function
Why do rapists rape? Because they have little brain function
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fucking dogs m8, looking for something to snatchMutantbear wrote:
Why do you dress like a slut? Because you want guys to notice you.
Why do rapists rape? Because they have little brain function
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well the problem I have with the whole "dressed like she wanted it" argument is that rape is almost always about power, not sex. A rapist would rape a nun if he would feel empowered by it.
So while I can understand the argument comes from the same vein as "don't walk on MLK Avenue at 2AM alone if you don't wanna get mugged," it shouldn't be a valid defense whatsoever.
Burglarizing a home that's unlocked is still burglary.
So while I can understand the argument comes from the same vein as "don't walk on MLK Avenue at 2AM alone if you don't wanna get mugged," it shouldn't be a valid defense whatsoever.
Burglarizing a home that's unlocked is still burglary.
So by leaving your car windows down and your purse in the front seat, you are not asking for trouble? How about walking into a bank with a ski mask on, ya asking for trouble then? Cuz last I checked wearing a ski mask is not illegal.Jay wrote:
By that logic, strippers get what they deserve if they are raped.lowing wrote:
Never ceases to amaze me how women spend billions of dollars a year on make up hair care, boob jobs, cosmetic surgeries, clothes etc, all to look more attractive and irresistible, and when they get the attention they are panning for, they are offended and want to sue.Jay wrote:
Umm, why? They're right. Why on earth would you blame the victim? Do you feel women should wear burqas so men aren't tempted? Perhaps a return to the Victorian Age and a bit of ankle porn would serve you well.
Please. Anyone who blames the victim for their rape is a moron. If you can't control yourself, do the world a favor and chop off your balls.
Although to the letter of the law, these women are correct and I would never use "they asked for it", towards an acquittal, the fact is, by drawing that sexual attention toward you, knowing how some men can not control themselves, you are in effect asking for it.
If you leave your car windows down and your purse on the seat while you window shop, you are asking to get robbed. If you strut around in a miniskirt with your tits hanging out and act like a slut, chances are, you might be treated like one.
It doesn't matter what a woman wears. She could walk down the street nude for all I care. If you can't control yourself it's your own fault, not hers. If you're that sexually repressed that you don't feel that you can control yourself then the problem lies with you, not the rest of society.
I never said anyone "deserved" to be raped. I said they are asking for trouble. No one wants to fall to their death, but if you are a rock climber and don't use safety ropes, you are asking for trouble. So yes, I think I am using pretty sound "logic". Far more than your logic that a person should be able to walk down the street in assless chaps and it not get noticed and should not invite unwanted attention. THe fact is, that is not the world in which we live.
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yes as it's used even as a tactic in the congo conflict over minerals.. and how many other places?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
almost always about power, not sex.
Well then, maybe you could explain why the victims actions, and behavior is relevant in rape trials?Cybargs wrote:
even if you wore something conservatively wont stop a rapist. rape is more about power and control than sex.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its worth remembering there are psycopaths, people from third world countries and men with the mental age of toddlers walking the streets.Uzique wrote:
well you clearly do because you made some dumb comment on it. people should be able to dress as they wish - it's their body and their appearance. how does it really affect you as a person how somebody else wishes to dress? oh, it offends your sense of taste? here have a plaster to heal that wound. to try and defend any form of assault or grossly indecent behaviour because "she is invited it" is to be a horrible cunt of a man.
If girls dress provocatively theres a chance at least they'll run into trouble, just as a man would driving a Bentley and flashing his Rolex around the shitty parts of town.
This doesn't mean any woman in a short dress deserves to be raped, just they should think a little.
Why is that? Because I disagree with you? I read where you are always campaigning to the mods get people you don't like or don't agree with banned. If there is any trolling, it is that kind of non-sense. Really would like to see the posts addressed and not the poster. THat would be a noval approach for most of you.Cybargs wrote:
this is why i think lowing i just a huge troll account.Jay wrote:
By that logic, strippers get what they deserve if they are raped.lowing wrote:
Never ceases to amaze me how women spend billions of dollars a year on make up hair care, boob jobs, cosmetic surgeries, clothes etc, all to look more attractive and irresistible, and when they get the attention they are panning for, they are offended and want to sue.
Although to the letter of the law, these women are correct and I would never use "they asked for it", towards an acquittal, the fact is, by drawing that sexual attention toward you, knowing how some men can not control themselves, you are in effect asking for it.
If you leave your car windows down and your purse on the seat while you window shop, you are asking to get robbed. If you strut around in a miniskirt with your tits hanging out and act like a slut, chances are, you might be treated like one.
It doesn't matter what a woman wears. She could walk down the street nude for all I care. If you can't control yourself it's your own fault, not hers. If you're that sexually repressed that you don't feel that you can control yourself then the problem lies with you, not the rest of society.
The hell is this shit? Was the 'gone wild' crew filming it? lolMacbeth wrote:
serious change is coming hehehe
Anyway, it's stupid logic for the same reason that I don't drape myself with salmon and herring guts and go walk past wild bears, or wear gang tattoos/clothes.
You are within your rights to leave a purse on your car seat, with the window down and doors unlocked. It is a crime to steal said purse. However that is a ridiculous anaolgy. A more accurate one to the thread topic would be to have a purse in a car on the dash board, doors locked and windows up but in plain sight. Breaking into the car and taking the purse is a crime too. Much like breaking into a woman who's on display is a crime.lowing wrote:
So by leaving your car windows down and your purse in the front seat, you are not asking for trouble? How about walking into a bank with a ski mask on, ya asking for trouble then? Cuz last I checked wearing a ski mask is not illegal.Jay wrote:
By that logic, strippers get what they deserve if they are raped.lowing wrote:
Never ceases to amaze me how women spend billions of dollars a year on make up hair care, boob jobs, cosmetic surgeries, clothes etc, all to look more attractive and irresistible, and when they get the attention they are panning for, they are offended and want to sue.
Although to the letter of the law, these women are correct and I would never use "they asked for it", towards an acquittal, the fact is, by drawing that sexual attention toward you, knowing how some men can not control themselves, you are in effect asking for it.
If you leave your car windows down and your purse on the seat while you window shop, you are asking to get robbed. If you strut around in a miniskirt with your tits hanging out and act like a slut, chances are, you might be treated like one.
It doesn't matter what a woman wears. She could walk down the street nude for all I care. If you can't control yourself it's your own fault, not hers. If you're that sexually repressed that you don't feel that you can control yourself then the problem lies with you, not the rest of society.
As for the ski mask thing, that's utterly retarded, even for you.
Unwanted attention is a bit different from rape, buddy.I never said anyone "deserved" to be raped. I said they are asking for trouble. No one wants to fall to their death, but if you are a rock climber and don't use safety ropes, you are asking for trouble. So yes, I think I am using pretty sound "logic". Far more than your logic that a person should be able to walk down the street in assless chaps and it not get noticed and should not invite unwanted attention. THe fact is, that is not the world in which we live.
Wonder if, if you truly believe your bullshit, that you will allow your daughter to dress like a slut and go to school or to parties, because she has the right to flaunt her tits and ass to all the guys, because nothing should happen and you would be totally shocked if something did.Jaekus wrote:
You are within your rights to leave a purse on your car seat, with the window down and doors unlocked. It is a crime to steal said purse. However that is a ridiculous anaolgy. A more accurate one to the thread topic would be to have a purse in a car on the dash board, doors locked and windows up but in plain sight. Breaking into the car and taking the purse is a crime too. Much like breaking into a woman who's on display is a crime.lowing wrote:
So by leaving your car windows down and your purse in the front seat, you are not asking for trouble? How about walking into a bank with a ski mask on, ya asking for trouble then? Cuz last I checked wearing a ski mask is not illegal.Jay wrote:
By that logic, strippers get what they deserve if they are raped.
It doesn't matter what a woman wears. She could walk down the street nude for all I care. If you can't control yourself it's your own fault, not hers. If you're that sexually repressed that you don't feel that you can control yourself then the problem lies with you, not the rest of society.
As for the ski mask thing, that's utterly retarded, even for you.Unwanted attention is a bit different from rape, buddy.I never said anyone "deserved" to be raped. I said they are asking for trouble. No one wants to fall to their death, but if you are a rock climber and don't use safety ropes, you are asking for trouble. So yes, I think I am using pretty sound "logic". Far more than your logic that a person should be able to walk down the street in assless chaps and it not get noticed and should not invite unwanted attention. THe fact is, that is not the world in which we live.
Maybe you would encourage your wife to go jogging in the park at night by herself, because doing so, isn't really inviting trouble after all.
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I don't think anyone's arguing that it's a valid defense.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So while I can understand the argument comes from the same vein as "don't walk on MLK Avenue at 2AM alone if you don't wanna get mugged," it shouldn't be a valid defense whatsoever.
Of course it is. But nobody would say anything about a cop telling a roomful of people not to leave their doors unlocked.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Burglarizing a home that's unlocked is still burglary.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Well...
cba to replace them with beavis & butthead
cba to replace them with beavis & butthead
agreedFEOS wrote:
I don't think anyone's arguing that it's a valid defense.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So while I can understand the argument comes from the same vein as "don't walk on MLK Avenue at 2AM alone if you don't wanna get mugged," it shouldn't be a valid defense whatsoever.Of course it is. But nobody would say anything about a cop telling a roomful of people not to leave their doors unlocked.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Burglarizing a home that's unlocked is still burglary.
Maybe you can stop trolling the forums and come up with a sensible post, thanks.lowing wrote:
Wonder if, if you truly believe your bullshit, that you will allow your daughter to dress like a slut and go to school or to parties, because she has the right to flaunt her tits and ass to all the guys, because nothing should happen and you would be totally shocked if something did.Jaekus wrote:
You are within your rights to leave a purse on your car seat, with the window down and doors unlocked. It is a crime to steal said purse. However that is a ridiculous anaolgy. A more accurate one to the thread topic would be to have a purse in a car on the dash board, doors locked and windows up but in plain sight. Breaking into the car and taking the purse is a crime too. Much like breaking into a woman who's on display is a crime.lowing wrote:
So by leaving your car windows down and your purse in the front seat, you are not asking for trouble? How about walking into a bank with a ski mask on, ya asking for trouble then? Cuz last I checked wearing a ski mask is not illegal.
As for the ski mask thing, that's utterly retarded, even for you.Unwanted attention is a bit different from rape, buddy.I never said anyone "deserved" to be raped. I said they are asking for trouble. No one wants to fall to their death, but if you are a rock climber and don't use safety ropes, you are asking for trouble. So yes, I think I am using pretty sound "logic". Far more than your logic that a person should be able to walk down the street in assless chaps and it not get noticed and should not invite unwanted attention. THe fact is, that is not the world in which we live.
Maybe you would encourage your wife to go jogging in the park at night by herself, because doing so, isn't really inviting trouble after all.
I can understand these scenarios but they have their own contexts that deviate from the issue.FEOS wrote:
I don't think anyone's arguing that it's a valid defense.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So while I can understand the argument comes from the same vein as "don't walk on MLK Avenue at 2AM alone if you don't wanna get mugged," it shouldn't be a valid defense whatsoever.Of course it is. But nobody would say anything about a cop telling a roomful of people not to leave their doors unlocked.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Burglarizing a home that's unlocked is still burglary.
The issue here isn't a woman dressing like a hooker and walking around drunk in a dark alley in the shittest part of town, yet that's what people are moving this discussion towards.
The issue here is that women should be free to wear what they want, and use their common sense. Putting context upon it in this regard is just stupid. If a woman is wearing fishnets, high heels, low cut dress and make up to make her look hot, and she goes to a classy cocktail lounge with her friends then is she somehow "asking for it", as has been suggested? What about the same woman, in track pants and trainers and an old t-shirt walking through the ghetto by herself at 3am? Which is more at risk? What about the same woman wearing knee highs, skirt, shirt and goes to the mall to shop?
Really, the environment and behaviour are the factors here, not the dress code.
But no one is asking for women to be restricted in their dress, just like no one is asking to make it illegal to leave your door unlocked.Jaekus wrote:
I can understand these scenarios but they have their own contexts that deviate from the issue.FEOS wrote:
I don't think anyone's arguing that it's a valid defense.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
So while I can understand the argument comes from the same vein as "don't walk on MLK Avenue at 2AM alone if you don't wanna get mugged," it shouldn't be a valid defense whatsoever.Of course it is. But nobody would say anything about a cop telling a roomful of people not to leave their doors unlocked.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Burglarizing a home that's unlocked is still burglary.
The issue here isn't a woman dressing like a hooker and walking around drunk in a dark alley in the shittest part of town, yet that's what people are moving this discussion towards.
The issue here is that women should be free to wear what they want, and use their common sense. Putting context upon it in this regard is just stupid. If a woman is wearing fishnets, high heels, low cut dress and make up to make her look hot, and she goes to a classy cocktail lounge with her friends then is she somehow "asking for it", as has been suggested? What about the same woman, in track pants and trainers and an old t-shirt walking through the ghetto by herself at 3am? Which is more at risk? What about the same woman wearing knee highs, skirt, shirt and goes to the mall to shop?
Really, the environment and behaviour are the factors here, not the dress code.
And of course a women is safer in the cocktail lounge. You have to apply your own common sense to the statement instead of taking it as a statement en-grandiose. The truth of the matter is the word was the only problem with the statement and if he didn't use it, this wouldn't be an issue.
My statement was to show that you can make use a context to construct whatever argument you want. The discussion is heading down a ludicrous path whereby people are pulling any scenario left right and centre to justify any point of view. You could take it to the ultimate level and say "well, if you're on the moon with a kleptomaniac and you don't leave your belongings secure and locked whilst he's inside, well, you're just asking for it". I mean come on.
/tangent
The issue here is a woman's manner of dress. Of course context plays a role, but in this instance no context has been provided and the protest is not to do with being drunk at 3am dressed up to the nines, it's about a blanket statement made by a police officer telling women on campus not to dress like sluts when they go to school, or really anywhere at all.
/tangent
The issue here is a woman's manner of dress. Of course context plays a role, but in this instance no context has been provided and the protest is not to do with being drunk at 3am dressed up to the nines, it's about a blanket statement made by a police officer telling women on campus not to dress like sluts when they go to school, or really anywhere at all.
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your problem is you are thinking it is just a straight comparison. no. its called a line of thinking. get that thru your skull.
Psychosis is a line of thinking...
Name one person saying they were asking for it.Jaekus wrote:
My statement was to show that you can make use a context to construct whatever argument you want. The discussion is heading down a ludicrous path whereby people are pulling any scenario left right and centre to justify any point of view. You could take it to the ultimate level and say "well, if you're on the moon with a kleptomaniac and you don't leave your belongings secure and locked whilst he's inside, well, you're just asking for it". I mean come on.
/tangent
The issue here is a woman's manner of dress. Of course context plays a role, but in this instance no context has been provided and the protest is not to do with being drunk at 3am dressed up to the nines, it's about a blanket statement made by a police officer telling women on campus not to dress like sluts when they go to school, or really anywhere at all.
I don't think anybody feeding bears at Yellowstone was 'asking' to get mauled. This is common sense stuff. Violent crime is a reality that isn't going away any time soon.
Blue Herring wrote:
Name one person saying they were asking for it.Jaekus wrote:
My statement was to show that you can make use a context to construct whatever argument you want. The discussion is heading down a ludicrous path whereby people are pulling any scenario left right and centre to justify any point of view. You could take it to the ultimate level and say "well, if you're on the moon with a kleptomaniac and you don't leave your belongings secure and locked whilst he's inside, well, you're just asking for it". I mean come on.
/tangent
The issue here is a woman's manner of dress. Of course context plays a role, but in this instance no context has been provided and the protest is not to do with being drunk at 3am dressed up to the nines, it's about a blanket statement made by a police officer telling women on campus not to dress like sluts when they go to school, or really anywhere at all.
Roger Lesboules wrote:
Wait...a skirt that barely cover anything, and a top that make it so a nip slip is easy as pie is not asking for it?!?! Not that i complain, i like seeing those...but damn. Dont dress like someone who is beggin for sex if you dont want to get fucked?!?!
Somewhat stupid walk imo.
lowing wrote:
Although to the letter of the law, these women are correct and I would never use "they asked for it", towards an acquittal, the fact is, by drawing that sexual attention toward you, knowing how some men can not control themselves, you are in effect asking for it.
Fair enough.Jaekus wrote:
Roger Lesboules wrote:
Wait...a skirt that barely cover anything, and a top that make it so a nip slip is easy as pie is not asking for it?!?! Not that i complain, i like seeing those...but damn. Dont dress like someone who is beggin for sex if you dont want to get fucked?!?!
Somewhat stupid walk imo.
Still, his stance seems to be different than a majority of this thread, particularly the people you're debating.
Jeekus wrote:
lowing wrote:
Although to the letter of the law, these women are correct and I would never use "they asked for it", towards an acquittal, the fact is, by drawing that sexual attention toward you, knowing how some men can not control themselves, you are in effect asking for it.
lowing wrote:
I would never use "they asked for it"