BF2S Forums Obama Press Conference: Bin Laden Is Dead

Spark wrote:

fuck's sake couldn't the other three thousand threads on this suffice? there is plenty to talk about regarding this incident without devolving into this tired old bullshit.

My statements and question are a direct examination of the topic the "killing of Bin laden". The reaction of nations and people to this topic are relevant like it or not.

lowing wrote:

Then how can you make a statement about an under developed culture, that just needs time to catch up with the the rest of us if it is all "subjective"?

because there are other indicators of a developed society than what you call "freedom".

So we agree, our nation is cowering to fears from Islam....Now the question would be, what makes Islam so different that it should be feared?

easy: islam is the dominant religion in those parts of the world which get fucked up the most because of your actions - hence the reaction.

What actions do you refer?

wat?

Or did you mean action against extremists?

not everybody your jedi killed, raped, sent to prison and left orphan was an extremist.

Cuz the west is "enjoying" a great immigration of Muslims. If we treat them so terrible then why flock to the west?

because you have better standarts of living, because you let them come and don't treat the muslims that live among you the way you treat them in those parts of the world which happen to be in the way of your so called "national interests".

I, like all of you can only read and see what is reported. I am pretty sure if the Muslim community were outraged at the deaths of Americans and their treatment in death was a huge as was the outrage over, say cartoons, it would have been reported. As it is well, no such reports.

i'll tell you what: you can STOP taking what's reported for real thing. that's one of the things your awesome freedom is there for. instead talk to people you know and use your common sence.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree. If you think Bin Laden and hid actions have absolutely nothing to with Islam. We are really too far apart to discuss it. Besides, plenty of reports says you are wrong. Plenty of Islamic concern over bin laden also says you are wrong.

obl's actions had stuff to do with islam - he was well versed in it and used his knowledge as a tool for information manipulation - that's what religion is there for after all. but that's about it.

Last edited by Shahter (2011-05-06 08:27:56)

Shocking wrote:

Shahter wrote:

So we agree, our nation is cowering to fears from Islam....Now the question would be, what makes Islam so different that it should be feared?

easy: islam is the dominant religion in those parts of the world which get fucked up the most because of your actions - hence the reaction.

pot/kettle?

what "pot/kettle"? i didn't call nobody black, i simply stated the fact.

Shocking wrote:

Well the russians haven't been very succesful in combatting muslim extremism either as far as I know, and when a terrorist attack happens you can't just sit by and wait for the next one.

thanks, captain obvious, for this eye opening post. what does it have to do with anything we've been discussing here?

Always german shepherds. I wonder why though, I know they're naturally better at obedience training than 90% of the other breeds but that shouldn't matter that much if you pay a lot of attention to the dog. You could train any dog to be as obedient as a shepherd.

Their stamina perhaps?

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Then how can you make a statement about an under developed culture, that just needs time to catch up with the the rest of us if it is all "subjective"?

because there are other indicators of a developed society than what you call "freedom".

So we agree, our nation is cowering to fears from Islam....Now the question would be, what makes Islam so different that it should be feared?

easy: islam is the dominant religion in those parts of the world which get fucked up the most because of your actions - hence the reaction.

What actions do you refer?

wat?

Or did you mean action against extremists?

not everybody your jedi killed, raped, sent to prison and left orphan was an extremist.

Cuz the west is "enjoying" a great immigration of Muslims. If we treat them so terrible then why flock to the west?

because you have better standarts of living, because you let them come and don't treat the muslims that live among you the way you treat them in those parts of the world which happen to be in the way of your so called "national interests".

I, like all of you can only read and see what is reported. I am pretty sure if the Muslim community were outraged at the deaths of Americans and their treatment in death was a huge as was the outrage over, say cartoons, it would have been reported. As it is well, no such reports.

i'll tell you what: you can STOP taking what's reported for real thing. that's one of the things your awesome freedom is there for. instead talk to people you know and use your common sence.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree. If you think Bin Laden and hid actions have absolutely nothing to with Islam. We are really too far apart to discuss it. Besides, plenty of reports says you are wrong. Plenty of Islamic concern over bin laden also says you are wrong.

obl's actions had stuff to do with islam - he was well versed in it and used his knowledge as a tool for information manipulation - that's what religion is there for after all. but that's about it.

1. really? like what? a free people, free non violent change of govt. control every 2 and 4 years?  high quality of life, long life? What other indicators might you be referring to. Would really help if you would stop telling me I am wrong, and start supporting your arguments.


2. Again I ask, what actions? We gave them a way to develop the sought after natural resource in the history of the planet then we let them charge us for it and hold it hostage over us...What actions are you referring.

3. see 2

4. and the extremists have killed more innocent people while the west tries to build and re-build schools, power plants, water works and communications infrastructures in these war torn countries. Is there collateral damage, absolutely, but we have not set out to harm or kill any innocent people. You get no such policy from the extremists.

5. ummmm you do know there was video of those displayed bodies and celebrations right? What do you do for your information on events on the other side of the world? fly there and report it for yourself? Just because you do not like the report does not mean it isn't true.

6. Well he was quite good at it wasn't he? So good, the most powerful nation on earth has cowered to Islam for fear of what  can be done inits name.

Last edited by lowing (2011-05-06 09:46:39)

Uzique wrote:

i literally want to start a fund to send lowing back to school

how much is kindergarten per term over there in the us?

These are my favorite "debate" tactics: ------> I am right because you are stupid.

Very entertaining.  thanks Uzi.

Shocking wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Belgian Malinois, not German Shepard.

Oh my bad, looked like one on the picture

Yeah. Looked like a Belgian in the picture.

Main difference I've heard is the hips are a bit more stout/stronger.

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

1. really? like what? a free people, free non violent change of govt. control every 2 and 4 years?  high quality of life, long life? What other indicators might you be referring to. Would really help if you would stop telling I am wrong, and start supporting your arguments.


2. Again I ask, what actions? We gave them a way to develop the sought after natural resource in the history of the planet then we let them charge us for it and hold it hostage over us...What actions are you referring.

3. see 2

4. and the extremists have killed more innocent people while the west tries to build and re-build schools, power plants, water works and communications infrastructures in these war torn countries. Is there collateral damage, absolutely, but we have not set out to harm or kill any innocent people. You get no such policy from the extremists.

5. ummmm you do know there was video of those displayed bodies and celebrations right? What do you do for your information on events on the other side of the world? fly there and report it for yourself? Just because you do not like the report does not mean it isn't true.

6. Well he was quite good at it wasn't he? So good, the most powerful nation on earth has cowered to Islam for fear of what  can be done inits name.

1. ussr.

2. did you give them the ways to develop their resources for free? no? did they pay you back for the technology? no, scratch that, did you allow them to pay you back anyway? no? fuck off.
now, how exactly can their resources be held hostage against you?
do you have your own recourses? yes? why don't you start developing those and leave those people on the other side of the globe alone.
what actions? how about bombings? or assassinations of their leaders? how about continuous support for their enemies?

3. ...

4. oh, it's about numbers now. and intentions - you, aparrently, wanted to forcibly "elevate" them to your level. haven't you though that maybe they do not want to develop that way? or maybe they are not ready for that yet? who the fuck are you again to decide for other people?

5. i never said it wasn't true - there's simply no way for me to tell. and you know what i do when i don't know something but really interested? - i ask people who do know and who have no reason to lie to me. and that practially rules out any and all media.

6. yes, he was. and he said he did those horrible things in the name of islam. does that mean that islam itself is to blame?

1. not sure what kind of response "user" means, so point 1 is still on the table.

2. ya lost me on that one as well, what exactly did the ME have to offer in payment BEFORE they had oil? Anyway for the rest of your response I refer you to OPEC.

4. No it isn't about numbers, it is about action. We take action in the building of the infrastructure that mentioned. The extremists take action in its destruction.  Really? People of the ME don't want clean drinking water, an education, electricity, or communications? please tell me more about that

5. this is a bunch of complete bullshit, but I think you already know that. You mean you really don't know that a tsunami wiped out cities in Japan until you talked to someone that survived it?

6. He got his teachings from somewhere and I am pretty sure it wasn't wikipedia.

Last edited by lowing (2011-05-06 10:17:49)

nice tan

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

I think Im darker than the president.

DC's black mayor:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … ntgray.jpg

i've seen Indians with darker skin

Woah what, I just looked him up. He's black? I don't really see it.

Also, that is the worst haircut I've ever seen.